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Yes totally. I agree with that, they understand that they can use democracy to create authoritarism.
But what they do not understand (for most, some are really aware) is how fast they can create real fascism through their attacks on democracy and how uncontrable it can become fast.
The real danger are those attacks. At first they are small (like in France), then they are bigger (like in US currently), and just after that, they are almost indiscernible from fascist politics (Israel). What is left to do is a simple authoritarian push (for exemple if Israel starts to turn on its inhabitants) and it's over, it will be a new form of real fascism.
The big problem is that rightist do not understand that their politics pushes society toward fascism. So when they realize that, it's too late. This is what happened in France and this is the reason why later we created counter power to prevent attacks on the constitution or the state of law (which are targeted by people like Zemmour or Musk).
Fascism is not some artefact that appears out of nowhere because a lot of people are becoming authoritarians. It's a fundamental component of conservatism and it's logical result when it is not prevented in a capitalistic society.
Fascism is like a fire in a small woody appartment. It spreads fast without control.
The key here is the direction of the vector. Are we heading toward more progressism or toward more fascism.. Sadly. The more time passes, the more our societies are choosing to turn their back on the prevention of conservatism without even being aware of it.
Which is bringing us, logically all toward global fascism. What happened with Fascist and Nazis during the WWII might have just been just a introduction to the danger that we might have to face.
But what they do not understand (for most, some are really aware) is how fast they can create real fascism through their attacks on democracy and how uncontrable it can become fast.
The real danger are those attacks. At first they are small (like in France), then they are bigger (like in US currently), and just after that, they are almost indiscernible from fascist politics (Israel). What is left to do is a simple authoritarian push (for exemple if Israel starts to turn on its inhabitants) and it's over, it will be a new form of real fascism.
The big problem is that rightist do not understand that their politics pushes society toward fascism. So when they realize that, it's too late. This is what happened in France and this is the reason why later we created counter power to prevent attacks on the constitution or the state of law (which are targeted by people like Zemmour or Musk).
Fascism is not some artefact that appears out of nowhere because a lot of people are becoming authoritarians. It's a fundamental component of conservatism and it's logical result when it is not prevented in a capitalistic society.
Fascism is like a fire in a small woody appartment. It spreads fast without control.
The key here is the direction of the vector. Are we heading toward more progressism or toward more fascism.. Sadly. The more time passes, the more our societies are choosing to turn their back on the prevention of conservatism without even being aware of it.
Which is bringing us, logically all toward global fascism. What happened with Fascist and Nazis during the WWII might have just been just a introduction to the danger that we might have to face.
I don't know the history of everything, but what about the CNT FAI?
Also the leninist governement was created by taking power away from the soviets, which were worker run democratic councils, so yeah the USSR was undemocratic, but the USSR came to be by taking power away from an already democratic socialist model, didn't it?
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Not that the USSR was socialist since it imposed state capitalism where the bureaucrat had the same function that a capitalist does in a free market, since they owned and managed the means of production, not the workers,
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I'm not sure how I would sum it up better than I did above but I would like to add this quote from the writing version of the video above
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After the Bolsheviks slaughtered the strikers, they went on to smear the Kronstadt sailors and all those who took part in the mass demonstrations as being inside plotters who were trying to coup the government. Once more, anarchism is associated with the revolutionary demands of socialism by Lenin when he calls the worker revolts “petty-bourgeois,” “syndicalist,” “anarchist” “caused in part by the entry into the ranks of the Party of elements which had still not completely adopted the Communist world view.”
But the reality of the matter did not escape the people. During the years of 1921–1922 would come the first of two enormous spikes in suicide rates among communists in Russia. In 1923, M. Reisner[17] wrote:
By 1923, even Lenin recognized that the dream of socialism had died in Russia and that it was the fault of the bureaucratic domination of the workers. Maurice Meisner,[18] in a work which we will use extensively in the next part of this essay, recounts this story:
In these same deathbed reflections, Lenin said he was “guilty before the workers of Russia” for having not warned them about the ruthless concentration of power sooner. Of course, it would not have mattered if he had told them or not. As soon as the first decrees by Lenin had been issued which allowed the state to nationalize anything which could be deemed pertinent to the state, he had, himself, set the stage to destroy the revolution. It is cold comfort to the martyred workers that he lamented those mistakes."
Also the leninist governement was created by taking power away from the soviets, which were worker run democratic councils, so yeah the USSR was undemocratic, but the USSR came to be by taking power away from an already democratic socialist model, didn't it?
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Not that the USSR was socialist since it imposed state capitalism where the bureaucrat had the same function that a capitalist does in a free market, since they owned and managed the means of production, not the workers,
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I'm not sure how I would sum it up better than I did above but I would like to add this quote from the writing version of the video above
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After the Bolsheviks slaughtered the strikers, they went on to smear the Kronstadt sailors and all those who took part in the mass demonstrations as being inside plotters who were trying to coup the government. Once more, anarchism is associated with the revolutionary demands of socialism by Lenin when he calls the worker revolts “petty-bourgeois,” “syndicalist,” “anarchist” “caused in part by the entry into the ranks of the Party of elements which had still not completely adopted the Communist world view.”
But the reality of the matter did not escape the people. During the years of 1921–1922 would come the first of two enormous spikes in suicide rates among communists in Russia. In 1923, M. Reisner[17] wrote:
It’s hardest of all for the revolutionary romantics. The vision of a golden age unfolded so close to them. Their hearts burned out [...]. And sad stories are circulating. Here, one of our war heroes went home and shot himself. He couldn’t stand vile little squabbles any longer. One drop and the cup overflowed.
By 1923, even Lenin recognized that the dream of socialism had died in Russia and that it was the fault of the bureaucratic domination of the workers. Maurice Meisner,[18] in a work which we will use extensively in the next part of this essay, recounts this story:
Less than five years after the Russian Revolution, Lenin pondered why the new Soviet order had quickly become so bureaucratic and oppressive. On his deathbed he somberly concluded that he had witnessed the resurrection of the old czarist bureaucracy to which the Bolsheviks “had given only a Soviet veneer.” Lenin’s worst fears were soon realized with the massive bureaucratization of the Soviet state and society during the Stalinist era, and the unleashing of what Isaac Deutscher called “an almost permanent orgy of bureaucratic violence.”
In these same deathbed reflections, Lenin said he was “guilty before the workers of Russia” for having not warned them about the ruthless concentration of power sooner. Of course, it would not have mattered if he had told them or not. As soon as the first decrees by Lenin had been issued which allowed the state to nationalize anything which could be deemed pertinent to the state, he had, himself, set the stage to destroy the revolution. It is cold comfort to the martyred workers that he lamented those mistakes."
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When a democracy is ruled for decades by the far-right it shares same features. With that said, Russia has recently entered a more authoritarian phase with the full war against Ukraine. Meanwhile Netanyahu did the same with the wars and massacres all over the place, but he couldn't pass the new laws against the judges. He was held back by daddy yankee until 3 weeks ago. Both governments despite having differences of interests share enough values in common.
I don't think you can talk about anything bub.I know I said to people who defended Trump or Elon or their friends here, not to dare complain.
This was my anger in front of the situation talking. It's ok for you to feel desesperate in front of the situation, just like us.
Do not listen to those who are mocking you or screaming (legitimately) at you because you made the (truly) wrong choice. Seek for people on the left who tried to talk you out from the grasp of conservatists like I did. We are a few. We usually understand what it takes to question our entire ideology because we were like you before that. So we will not block you out if you are ready to make GREAT efforts of understanding.
This was my anger in front of the situation talking. It's ok for you to feel desesperate in front of the situation, just like us.
Do not listen to those who are mocking you or screaming (legitimately) at you because you made the (truly) wrong choice. Seek for people on the left who tried to talk you out from the grasp of conservatists like I did. We are a few. We usually understand what it takes to question our entire ideology because we were like you before that. So we will not block you out if you are ready to make GREAT efforts of understanding.