Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

Yeah ok dude, you're the climatologist I guess. Lol.

It's clear you don't even know the guys I'm talking about nor read them, and now I'm starting to doubt you even read some of the people that you talk about because some of them said dumb shit as fuck but anyway, I'm done for the day.
I don't have as much free time as I'd like to talk about politics here.

Besides I'm talking to a wall who knows better no matter what.

When you value the same way Bourdieu and CNews, I'm sorry mate, but I can't have a discussion with you.

I'm not a climatologist, but you are definitely not someone who is ready to understand.

Reality is not an opinion that you can construct by picking bits here and there between sociological studies and fascist theories because you want to make sure to listen to everyone in order to have the best critical thinking mind.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

When you value the same way Bourdieu and CNews, I'm sorry mate, but I can't have a discussion with you.

I'm not a climatologist, but you are definitely not someone who is ready to understand.

Reality is not an opinion that you can construct by picking bits here and there between sociological studies and fascist theories because you want to make sure to listen to everyone in order to have the best critical thinking mind.

You're a moron, I didn't say that at all. I say I don't listen to just one radio channel not that I value Bourdieu and Cnews the same. It was just an example, I try to listen to as many sources as I can because sometimes some radios channels always invite the same people who thinks just like them. And I don't like that. Anybody should be able to express their opinions.

For Bourdieu I said I must read other authors as well. Bourdieu ain't that good anyway. Foucault was above him, Todd also is currently. Clouscard was way above as well.

 

[AL sama]

Yeah ok dude, you're the climatologist I guess. Lol.

It's clear you don't even know the guys I'm talking about nor read them, and now I'm starting to doubt you even read some of the people that you talk about because some of them said dumb shit as fuck but anyway, I'm done for the day.
I don't have as much free time as I'd like to talk about politics here.

Besides I'm talking to a wall who knows better no matter what.

the thing is you either have x problem or y problem but you most certainly have a problem as long as you don't agree

 

[Luffy is the mc]

the thing is you either have x problem or y problem but you most certainly have a problem as long as you don't agree

I'm slowly but surely starting to think that as well. I have met stubborn people in my life, and I have met stupid people as well in my life.

And somehow I always found something redeeming in them, or at least I try to find something in them.

And I traveled quite a lot, and lived in different countries, even in my countries I have been in different towns and I have always tried to meet and talk to people, to learn about how they live.

So I kinda see myself as someone with an open mind.

With that said, I don't think I've ever talk to someone like him, even in other forums which says a lot because I have seen some crazy conspiracionists.

He genuinely thinks he's some kind of superior mind when a shit ton of people have shown him that he's not that knowledgeable in a lot of topics.

 

[Logiko]

You're a moron, I didn't say that at all. I say I don't listen to just one radio channel not that I value Bourdieu and Cnews the same. It was just an example, I try to listen to as many sources as I can because sometimes some radios channels always invite the same people who thinks just like them. And I don't like that. Anybody should be able to express their opinions.

For Bourdieu I said I must read other authors as well. Bourdieu ain't that good anyway. Foucault was above him, Todd also is currently. Clouscard was way above as well.

This is exactly what you are saying.

Valuing a source more than another means understanding why you must listen to said source rather than others.

You see, that the first trap people who try to have critical thinking fall into. They think they are capable of analyzing all informations equally. They think that their material condition is not important and won't influence the way they perceive certain informations.

Therefore they think that they can themselves sort the good from the bad. But what they are truly doing, is valuing ALL sources equally. By that I mean, they consider that there is good in every sources of informations.

This result in people picking what they like and in rejecting what they dislike in various scientific subjects in a depoliticized vision of the world.

So yeah, I might be a moron, but you are not ready to understand what I'm talking about.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

This is exactly what you are saying.

Valuing a source more than another means understanding why you must listen to said source rather than others.

You see, that the first trap people who try to have critical thinking fall into. They think they are capable of analyzing all informations equally. They think that their material condition is not important and won't influence the way they perceive certain informations.

Therefore they think that they can themselves sort the good from the bad. But what they are truly doing, is valuing ALL sources equally. By that I mean, they consider that there is good in every sources of informations.

This result in people picking what they like and in rejecting what they dislike in various scientific subjects in a depoliticized vision of the world.

So yeah, I might be a moron, but you are not ready to understand what I'm talking about.

So I guess it's better to just read sources from one side and that's it.
So Bourdieu is better than Todd and Clouscard who you didn't even read just because they don't suit your agenda?
Todd was the first to predict the fall of the USSR and predicted the defeat of the west against Russia in the Russian Ukrainian war. And he voted for Melenchon so you should like the dude. Also participated in a book to defend muslims.
Yet the media you listen to called him a poutinist.

 

[Uncle Van]

I'm slowly but surely starting to think that as well. I have met stubborn people in my life, and I have met stupid people as well in my life.

And somehow I always found something redeeming in them, or at least I try to find something in them.

And I traveled quite a lot, and lived in different countries, even in my countries I have been in different towns and I have always tried to meet and talk to people, to learn about how they live.

So I kinda see myself as someone with an open mind.

With that said, I don't think I've ever talk to someone like him, even in other forums which says a lot because I have seen some crazy conspiracionists.

He genuinely thinks he's some kind of superior mind when a shit ton of people have shown him that he's not that knowledgeable in a lot of topics.

To give you an example, he regularly butt heads with people over his refusal to use words correct by defintion, saying "language evolves" as an excuse. He would scurry the internet until he finds a source that unofficially defines a word the way he wants it as, belittling everyone else's intelligence if they don't accept it. He does the same for science lol.

 

[Worst]

To give you an example, he regularly butt heads with people over his refusal to use words correct by defintion, saying "language evolves" as an excuse. He would scurry the internet until he finds a source that unofficially defines a word the way he wants it as, belittling everyone else's intelligence if they don't accept it. He does the same for science lol.

I still remember the day i joined this thread and thought yeah....yeah i can fix him

 

[Logiko]

So I guess it's better to just read sources from one side and that's it.
So Bourdieu is better than Todd and Clouscard who you didn't even read just because they don't suit your agenda?
Todd was the first to predict the fall of the USSR and predicted the defeat of the west against Russia in the Russian Ukrainian war. And he voted for Melenchon so you should like the dude. Also participated in a book to defend muslims.
Yet the media you listen to called him a poutinist.

You see, contrary to I'm not trying to appear as all knowing, I'm not and you are right, there is a lot of things that I didn't read and others that I will never read.

This is why rather than trying to myself sort the informations I choose to trust people based on very specific political and critical tools.

For example, I try to avoid taking as god's words social conclusions from someone who is not a sociologist or listen to fascist rethoric to try to pick the good from the awfully bad knowing full well my own biases. But hey, you do you.

I'm done talking with you. You are not ready to really listen.

 

[Uncle Van]

I still remember the day i joined this thread and thought yeah....yeah i can fix him

The same guy who harps on and on about respecting women and allowing them to speak, but the instant a female disagrees him, belittles them and tries to dictate how they should feel? Even going as far as to tell a female that he doesn't respect her and used her daughter as a weapon to shame her? You thought you could fix that?? Lol

 

[AL sama]

I still remember the day i joined this thread and thought yeah....yeah i can fix him

 

[Worst]

The same guy who harps on and on about respecting women and allowing them to speak, but the instant a female disagrees him, belittles them and tries to dictate how they should feel? Even going as far as to tell a female that he doesn't respect her and used her daughter as a weapon to shame her? You thought you could fix that?? Lol

I didn't knew the whole background alright ?

 

[Logiko]

The same guy who harps on and on about respecting women and allowing them to speak, but the instant a female disagrees him, belittles them and tries to dictate how they should feel? Even going as far as to tell a female that he doesn't respect her and used her daughter as a weapon to shame her? You thought you could fix that?? Lol

What Van is talking about is this:

And American have one of the highest % of climatosceptical, it doesn't mean that they are right.

You are in denial.

But props to you to be able to face your daughter while defending Trump and Musk. I wouldn't be able to do that personnaly.

What Van is conveniently invisibilizing tho, is that it is NOT the first time that we have been talking about Zemmi's daughter. Actually, Zemmi used her example multiple time in this thread as a way to assert just how good she was raising her kids. Especially when she proudly explained how she was agreeing with conservatist about woke in school and how she was proud to took away her kid from those school.

I tried to explain to her many time how electing Trump would be damaging for them and her daughter especially.

In this example Zemmi was defending Trump - who she voted for - and Musk after the election of november. I therefore followed her example and expressed how disspointed I was and her being proud of electing two fascists in power who will destroy her daughters's right and thus "congratulated her" on her being able to face her daughter in front of this situation, something I would not be able to do if I helped electing a FASCIST.

While this was a low blow (which I apolologized for because I still have empathy, even for my political ennemies) this was a perfectly legitimate remark. NO ONE with a daughter should be able to face their child without shame after voting for Trump. His racist and sexist vision will destroy women's right. And any antifascist should be angry at the moment at those who enable this guy.

And yes. Everyone who defend Trump or Musk loses my respect.

 

[Uncle Van]

What Van is talking about is this:



What Van is conveniently invisibilizing tho, is that it is NOT the first time that we have been talking about Zemmi's daughter. Actually, Zemmi used her example multiple time in this thread as a way to assert just how good she was raising her kids. Especially when she proudly explained how she was agreeing with conservatist about woke in school and how she was proud to took away her kid from those school.

I tried to explain to her many time how electing Trump would be damaging for them and her daughter especially.

In this example Zemmi was defending Trump - who she voted for - and Musk after the election of november. I therefore followed her example and expressed how disspointed I was and her being proud of electing two fascists in power who will destroy her daughters's right and thus "congratulated her" on her being able to face her daughter in front of this situation, something I would not be able to do if I helped electing a FASCIST.

While this was a low blow (which I apolologized for because I still have empathy, even for my political ennemies) this was a perfectly legitimate remark. NO ONE with a daughter should be able to face their child without shame after voting for Trump. His racist and sexist vision will destroy women's right. And any antifascist should be angry at the moment at those who enable this guy.

And yes. Everyone who defend Trump or Musk loses my respect.

Aka, only you get to choose when a woman should get respect. Going after someone's kids is just fine only when you decide it's necessary. How authoritarian lol

 

[Logiko]

Aka, only you get to choose when a woman should get respect. Going after someone's kids is just fine only when you decide it's necessary. How authoritarian lol

Again, you lies have been exposed. Either people choose to ignore what I said or they understand.

No kids were attacked here and you do not understand that respect is not owed to everyone no matter their discourse.

We are talking here about people (not only Zemmi) who defend fascists. Ergo people who are ok with the oppression of others.

My attack was not directed as Zemmi as a woman nor it was directed to her daughter, but to Zemmi as political person with kids. My attack was political and perfectly legitimate in a context were Zemmi USED her kids to justify her ideology on this thread multiple time. Something you do not seem to understand.

I've accepted a lot from you and brushed it off away. I don't care how much your sociology influence your vision.

But you went too far today.

 

[Uncle Van]

Again, you lies have been exposed. Either people choose to ignore what I said or they understand.

No kids were attacked here and you do not understand that respect is not owed to everyone no matter their discourse.

We are talking here about people (not only Zemmi) who defend fascists. Ergo people who are ok with the oppression of others.

My attack was not directed as Zemmi as a woman nor it was directed to her daughter, but to Zemmi as political person with kids. My attack was political and perfectly legitimate in a context were Zemmi USED her kids to justify her ideology on this thread multiple time. Something you do not seem to understand.

I've accepted a lot from you and brushed it off away. I don't care how much your sociology influence your vision.

But you went too far today.

"You've seen exposed". You spam that so often but whenever someone checks stuff out for themselves, they come to the same conclusion as the rest, and it's not in agreement with you.

 

[Ravagerblade]

The same guy who harps on and on about respecting women and allowing them to speak, but the instant a female disagrees him, belittles them and tries to dictate how they should feel? Even going as far as to tell a female that he doesn't respect her and used her daughter as a weapon to shame her? You thought you could fix that?? Lol

Zemmi did try.

 

[Logiko]

"You've seen exposed". You spam that so often but whenever someone checks stuff out for themselves, they come to the same conclusion as the rest, and it's not in agreement with you.

Well, yeah.. "Exposed" is the word. Never said people would listen.

When the majority of poster are praising Trump, Musk and capitalist, I hope you understand why people would rather listen at the one enabling them rather than the one criticizing them

 

[Ravagerblade]

What Van is talking about is this:



What Van is conveniently invisibilizing tho, is that it is NOT the first time that we have been talking about Zemmi's daughter. Actually, Zemmi used her example multiple time in this thread as a way to assert just how good she was raising her kids. Especially when she proudly explained how she was agreeing with conservatist about woke in school and how she was proud to took away her kid from those school.

I tried to explain to her many time how electing Trump would be damaging for them and her daughter especially.

In this example Zemmi was defending Trump - who she voted for - and Musk after the election of november. I therefore followed her example and expressed how disspointed I was and her being proud of electing two fascists in power who will destroy her daughters's right and thus "congratulated her" on her being able to face her daughter in front of this situation, something I would not be able to do if I helped electing a FASCIST.

While this was a low blow (which I apolologized for because I still have empathy, even for my political ennemies) this was a perfectly legitimate remark. NO ONE with a daughter should be able to face their child without shame after voting for Trump. His racist and sexist vision will destroy women's right. And any antifascist should be angry at the moment at those who enable this guy.

And yes. Everyone who defend Trump or Musk loses my respect.

You still double down, disgusting and scummy is too good a description for you.

 

[Uncle Van]

Well, yeah.. "Exposed" is the word. Never said people would listen.

When the majority of poster are praising Trump, Musk and capitalist, I hope you understand why people would rather listen at the one enabling them rather than the one criticizing them

People from all political spectrums didn't agree with you C4N. Of course you assume anyone who disagree with you simply doesn't listen or likes Trump lol