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Yes. I've indeed a big Ego. I think you are not spoiling anyone here. But narcissist ?
I do consider myself to be valuable and in some case I do think that I've capacities that others may lack. But I also think that I'm nothing in front of the ocean of knowledge and I'm merely just a guy here repeating some stuff I barely understand.
I know my value. I know my weaknesses and I also know where you stand and why you don't like me showing it to you.
You will obtain nothing by gaslighting me, I'm sorry. This is senceless.
I do consider myself to be valuable and in some case I do think that I've capacities that others may lack. But I also think that I'm nothing in front of the ocean of knowledge and I'm merely just a guy here repeating some stuff I barely understand.
I know my value. I know my weaknesses and I also know where you stand and why you don't like me showing it to you.
You will obtain nothing by gaslighting me, I'm sorry. This is senceless.
@Brush D. Teeth
(👨💻 🛠️ Sorry, this is my first time posting here. I had a problem with the post button and accidentally posted three times. I had to delete the post and redo it.)
What are your thoughts on Ahmed al-Sharaa so far ?
He is a recent example of a person who became famous as a successful revolutionary leader in the modern world.
I commented in the Brazilians group that the concept of revolutions should not be forgotten in the modern world, as they can be the answer in times of great political crisis.
He said he wants to guide Syria back to democracy. Does it look like he can do it ?
@Reborn @Uncle Van @AL sama @NAMELESS @Mathias
(👨💻 🛠️ Sorry, this is my first time posting here. I had a problem with the post button and accidentally posted three times. I had to delete the post and redo it.)
What are your thoughts on Ahmed al-Sharaa so far ?
He is a recent example of a person who became famous as a successful revolutionary leader in the modern world.
I commented in the Brazilians group that the concept of revolutions should not be forgotten in the modern world, as they can be the answer in times of great political crisis.
He said he wants to guide Syria back to democracy. Does it look like he can do it ?
@Reborn @Uncle Van @AL sama @NAMELESS @Mathias
This is an interesting question that I've been asking myself too. He recently made an agreement with the Kurds which is good. I initially was negative about him but I'd consider myself only dubitative now. Despite coming from the Islamic far-right, making an agreement with the Kurds had me think twice about this guy. Let's see how he deals with the Kurdish population.
I know what we all think. We will never trust a djihadist/nazi. We had Khomeini play a magic trick in France before his far-righty revolution by pretending that he wanted an "Enlightenment of Islam" and fooled everyone with his bullshit. But maybe we shouldn't compare him to Khomeini so quickly and wait a bit. After all, hardcore commies who became liberals exist. I'm not saying al-Sharaa is gonna be a wise man or what, I don't know, let's watch for now. Even though he's probably currently radically on the right, I can't overlook the context and pretend that every Arab and Muslim think the same or something like that just like an ignorant westerner bigot would. I'm aware that even within the international djihadist movement, there is some kind of complexity.
Everyone is watching. A democracy would indeed be a problem for many of its neighbors in the region who would fear it to be spread all over the middle-east. I wish for now that there won't be a war against the Kurds and that the roads that lead Tehran to fund far-righty groups like Hezbollah and Hamas get completely cut.
I know what we all think. We will never trust a djihadist/nazi. We had Khomeini play a magic trick in France before his far-righty revolution by pretending that he wanted an "Enlightenment of Islam" and fooled everyone with his bullshit. But maybe we shouldn't compare him to Khomeini so quickly and wait a bit. After all, hardcore commies who became liberals exist. I'm not saying al-Sharaa is gonna be a wise man or what, I don't know, let's watch for now. Even though he's probably currently radically on the right, I can't overlook the context and pretend that every Arab and Muslim think the same or something like that just like an ignorant westerner bigot would. I'm aware that even within the international djihadist movement, there is some kind of complexity.
Everyone is watching. A democracy would indeed be a problem for many of its neighbors in the region who would fear it to be spread all over the middle-east. I wish for now that there won't be a war against the Kurds and that the roads that lead Tehran to fund far-righty groups like Hezbollah and Hamas get completely cut.
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Did I forget one of my own posts ?
I don't remember calling you a pro-capitalist, on the other hand, I remember saying that you had no problem with capitalism and it's ramifications.
You see, capitalism is not just a system created to make some people get richers and others poorer.
It's a domination system.
By that I mean that capitalism and its cousins will not only create and feed on differences of wealth, gender, religion, racialization, mental and physical health, sexual identities, culture, education etc....
It will ENFORCE differences and will go even beyond.
As such. There is no anti-capitalism by protecting the system. There is no anticapitalism without fighting to end meritocracy. There is no anticapitalism without intersectionnality, there is no anticapitalism without denouncing colonialism and imperialism. There is no such thing as anti-capitalism when reality is not a question and when one does not consider the material conditions of others and systems and where there is not a try to change them.
This means being aware that there is no such thing as anticapitalism without antiracism, feminism, antiableism and antilgbtphobias etc.. Being anticapitalism means being aware of the relationships between systems of oppressions and understanding that ALL our systems are created to enforce ALL those oppressions through institutions, law, justice, market, education, healthcare etc. (even websites)
As such, being anti-capitalist is understanding that those who believe in those institutions are part of the oppressing problem and that ANY of them who enforce and try to protect those institutions are political ennemies of anti-capitalism.
So, once again, let me ask you one question :
Who do you feel the closest to in term of activity and values at the current moment of your life ?
This guy:
Or these guyz ?
And by all means.. Don't be afraid to be honest.
I don't remember calling you a pro-capitalist, on the other hand, I remember saying that you had no problem with capitalism and it's ramifications.
You see, capitalism is not just a system created to make some people get richers and others poorer.
It's a domination system.
By that I mean that capitalism and its cousins will not only create and feed on differences of wealth, gender, religion, racialization, mental and physical health, sexual identities, culture, education etc....
It will ENFORCE differences and will go even beyond.
As such. There is no anti-capitalism by protecting the system. There is no anticapitalism without fighting to end meritocracy. There is no anticapitalism without intersectionnality, there is no anticapitalism without denouncing colonialism and imperialism. There is no such thing as anti-capitalism when reality is not a question and when one does not consider the material conditions of others and systems and where there is not a try to change them.
This means being aware that there is no such thing as anticapitalism without antiracism, feminism, antiableism and antilgbtphobias etc.. Being anticapitalism means being aware of the relationships between systems of oppressions and understanding that ALL our systems are created to enforce ALL those oppressions through institutions, law, justice, market, education, healthcare etc. (even websites)
As such, being anti-capitalist is understanding that those who believe in those institutions are part of the oppressing problem and that ANY of them who enforce and try to protect those institutions are political ennemies of anti-capitalism.
So, once again, let me ask you one question :
Who do you feel the closest to in term of activity and values at the current moment of your life ?
This guy:
Or these guyz ?
And by all means.. Don't be afraid to be honest.
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Did I forget one of my own posts ?
I don't remember calling you a pro-capitalist, on the other hand, I remember saying that you had no problem with capitalism and it's ramifications.
You see, capitalism is not just a system created to make some people get richers and others poorer.
It's a domination system.
By that I mean that capitalism and its cousins will not only create and feed on differences of wealth, gender, religion, racialization, mental and physical health, sexual identities, culture, education etc....
It will ENFORCE differences and will go even beyond.
As such. There is no anti-capitalism by protecting the system. There is no anticapitalism without fighting to end meritocracy. There is no anticapitalism without intersectionnality, there is no anticapitalism without denouncing colonialism and imperialism. There is no such thing as anti-capitalism when reality is not a question and when one does not consider the material conditions of others and systems and where there is not a try to change them.
This means being aware that there is no such thing as anticapitalism without antiracism, feminism, antiableism and antilgbtphobias etc.. Being anticapitalism means being aware of the relationships between systems of oppressions and understanding that ALL our systems are created to enforce ALL those oppressions through institutions, law, justice, market, education, healthcare etc. (even websites)
As such, being anti-capitalist is understanding that those who believe in those institutions are part of the oppressing problem and that ANY of them who enforce and try to protect those institutions are political ennemies of anti-capitalism.
So, once again, let me ask you one question :
Who do you feel the closest to in term of activity and values at the current moment of your life ?
This guy:
Or these guyz ?
And by all means.. Don't be afraid to be honest.
I don't remember calling you a pro-capitalist, on the other hand, I remember saying that you had no problem with capitalism and it's ramifications.
You see, capitalism is not just a system created to make some people get richers and others poorer.
It's a domination system.
By that I mean that capitalism and its cousins will not only create and feed on differences of wealth, gender, religion, racialization, mental and physical health, sexual identities, culture, education etc....
It will ENFORCE differences and will go even beyond.
As such. There is no anti-capitalism by protecting the system. There is no anticapitalism without fighting to end meritocracy. There is no anticapitalism without intersectionnality, there is no anticapitalism without denouncing colonialism and imperialism. There is no such thing as anti-capitalism when reality is not a question and when one does not consider the material conditions of others and systems and where there is not a try to change them.
This means being aware that there is no such thing as anticapitalism without antiracism, feminism, antiableism and antilgbtphobias etc.. Being anticapitalism means being aware of the relationships between systems of oppressions and understanding that ALL our systems are created to enforce ALL those oppressions through institutions, law, justice, market, education, healthcare etc. (even websites)
As such, being anti-capitalist is understanding that those who believe in those institutions are part of the oppressing problem and that ANY of them who enforce and try to protect those institutions are political ennemies of anti-capitalism.
So, once again, let me ask you one question :
Who do you feel the closest to in term of activity and values at the current moment of your life ?
This guy:
Or these guyz ?
And by all means.. Don't be afraid to be honest.
See. This is exactly why we are not on the same team. And why, while you know and tell a few anticapitalist arguments, you are nowhere near being an anticapitalist.
What you do is recuperate anticapitalist ideas and concepts, to work your way around them and justify your progressism while avoiding their fundations and what could actually shaken your entire worldview. To then attack those who understand those fundations and call them authoritarians because of it.
This is called liberalism. A progressive version of it, but liberalism nonetheless.
You do not understand, worst, you refuse to accept that material conditions of existence (for exemple being a cop in a capitalist society) shape the vision of the world of individuals (Cops will rarely turn against the system).
And this refusal has a name : Idealism. It's the idea that our minds can override our material reality.
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Again. We are not on the same team.
What you do is recuperate anticapitalist ideas and concepts, to work your way around them and justify your progressism while avoiding their fundations and what could actually shaken your entire worldview. To then attack those who understand those fundations and call them authoritarians because of it.
This is called liberalism. A progressive version of it, but liberalism nonetheless.
You do not understand, worst, you refuse to accept that material conditions of existence (for exemple being a cop in a capitalist society) shape the vision of the world of individuals (Cops will rarely turn against the system).
And this refusal has a name : Idealism. It's the idea that our minds can override our material reality.
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Again. We are not on the same team.
You're the one who here trying to say a bunch of people can't work in the same field if they have different values, and that they will adopt specific values in due time. What's next? Do all black people got the same values? Was Hitler correct that if you marry or is friends with a Jewish person you yourself must be Jewish? Do everyone who plays GTA got the same or similar values? Everyone who joins the military got values of wanting to kill foreigners and help corruption?
Gimme me a break
Gimme me a break
It's interesting, I'm talking about material conditions that will create worldvision, capitals and struggle (or the absence of struggle) and your first reflex is to try to counter that by asking me if all black people have the same values... Once again showing me why your are not thinking in a materialistic way, but an idealistic way. "Why is that ?" you may ask..
Well.. Simply because material conditions are not just one thing, but a "box" of many.
By trying to reduce those material conditions to one simple thing to try to prove me wrong, you are simply demonstrating that you refuse for this concept of material conditions to be a "complex" interesection of multiple factors. Thus showing that it's not me that you try to fight, but your perception of what my vision of the world is.
It's not only about thinking, it's about being and living. You will rarely see black people who do not have the understanding of systemic racism in their core. It can happen yes (Zemmi is an exemple) but most racialized people will know what systemic racism means, because they live it. Hence, they will - in similar material conditions - find themselves to vote for the same values.
In this case, it's not their thought that are similar, but their conditions of existence that create those thought process. Just like it is logical for those who were internalized in psychiatric hospitals to developp a big anti-psychiatric reasonning.
You will have exception, of course, that will create various differences, but on the basis of their material condition, people will often adopt a similar belief system against a similar oppressive system.
And what works with oppression, works with the reverse: The enforcement of oppressions.
One do not become a cop because they want to fight the system or end capitalism or because they see protesters as friends. They want to become a cop because the system made them believe that their job was essential to maintain peace, that cops were a form of heroes, that they could be someone who helps people and that order was a necessity for any society.
But the material conditions do not end there. Being a cop also means that one must want to protect the institution of the police and the state.
You can't be anticapitalist and against the oppressions of a system, be aware of those oppression and play an active part in the system and institution. That's an illusion and what liberalism is, it's not leftism and it's not anticapitalism. It only works in movies.
Anticapitalists KNOW that there is no such thing as a reformation of an oppressive system such as the capitalist state. They want the END of capitalism, not patches on a sinking boat.
By their structural and material nature, ALL Capitalist States are :
- Imperialists and colonialists
- Racist
- Patriarcal and sexist
- Heteronormative
- Ableist
On top of being completely meritocratic.
And all bare the seeds of fascism.
Those oppressions come from the fundamental structuration of states and systems and are enforced by all institution (including the police and the justice system), reforms will never fix that completely. As such, protectors of those systems will NEVER be anticapitalist.
You can try to work your way around that concept all you want and call me an authoritarian all day long.
The reality is that I'm the one questionning your authority and trying to change the system of this forum and you are the moderator who oppose me.
Well.. Simply because material conditions are not just one thing, but a "box" of many.
By trying to reduce those material conditions to one simple thing to try to prove me wrong, you are simply demonstrating that you refuse for this concept of material conditions to be a "complex" interesection of multiple factors. Thus showing that it's not me that you try to fight, but your perception of what my vision of the world is.
It's not only about thinking, it's about being and living. You will rarely see black people who do not have the understanding of systemic racism in their core. It can happen yes (Zemmi is an exemple) but most racialized people will know what systemic racism means, because they live it. Hence, they will - in similar material conditions - find themselves to vote for the same values.
In this case, it's not their thought that are similar, but their conditions of existence that create those thought process. Just like it is logical for those who were internalized in psychiatric hospitals to developp a big anti-psychiatric reasonning.
You will have exception, of course, that will create various differences, but on the basis of their material condition, people will often adopt a similar belief system against a similar oppressive system.
And what works with oppression, works with the reverse: The enforcement of oppressions.
One do not become a cop because they want to fight the system or end capitalism or because they see protesters as friends. They want to become a cop because the system made them believe that their job was essential to maintain peace, that cops were a form of heroes, that they could be someone who helps people and that order was a necessity for any society.
But the material conditions do not end there. Being a cop also means that one must want to protect the institution of the police and the state.
You can't be anticapitalist and against the oppressions of a system, be aware of those oppression and play an active part in the system and institution. That's an illusion and what liberalism is, it's not leftism and it's not anticapitalism. It only works in movies.
Anticapitalists KNOW that there is no such thing as a reformation of an oppressive system such as the capitalist state. They want the END of capitalism, not patches on a sinking boat.
By their structural and material nature, ALL Capitalist States are :
- Imperialists and colonialists
- Racist
- Patriarcal and sexist
- Heteronormative
- Ableist
On top of being completely meritocratic.
And all bare the seeds of fascism.
Those oppressions come from the fundamental structuration of states and systems and are enforced by all institution (including the police and the justice system), reforms will never fix that completely. As such, protectors of those systems will NEVER be anticapitalist.
You can try to work your way around that concept all you want and call me an authoritarian all day long.
The reality is that I'm the one questionning your authority and trying to change the system of this forum and you are the moderator who oppose me.
Looks like you're back to your long posts.
The problem is that you keep trying to force the ideologies and values you assume are held by a group of people, upon me as an individual. You say cops are oppressors, protectors of the status quo, right wing by nature, and not anticapitalist. Whether that is true or not is irrelevant. The point is that you assume I have these values simply because I'm also a cop. Therefore, your entire argument falls apart because you assume what my values are, assumptions that are always inaccurate, and also have to assume that people who work in the same field of any kind must share the same values in order for you posts to make sense when addressed to me.
Its the opposite of me singling you out as an individual because you don't represent leftism as a whole.
The problem is that you keep trying to force the ideologies and values you assume are held by a group of people, upon me as an individual. You say cops are oppressors, protectors of the status quo, right wing by nature, and not anticapitalist. Whether that is true or not is irrelevant. The point is that you assume I have these values simply because I'm also a cop. Therefore, your entire argument falls apart because you assume what my values are, assumptions that are always inaccurate, and also have to assume that people who work in the same field of any kind must share the same values in order for you posts to make sense when addressed to me.
Its the opposite of me singling you out as an individual because you don't represent leftism as a whole.
No mate. I had that feeling LONG before knowing that. I only had to interact with you to understand your values.
Not because you were saying oppressive things, but simply because you were opposing me trying to prevent oppressive things.
It's, sadly, as simple as that. It's not about your job, it's about the way you choose to interact with me here. Knowing about that only made things more logical, not more surprising.
On this forum, I have never ceased to try to change things. And at
every
single
points
A moderator, you mostly, was there to remind me that I was delusionnal.
At first, I didn't really understand this phenomenon, but in three or four years, I had the time to change politically. While I evolved and politicized, you and this forum stated the same.
While I had a semi liberal approach at first by trying to change this forum by changing minds of people, it changed when I understood that this forum was simply a reflection of real life. Plain and simple. A systam where the far right is legitimated and where leftist like me are invisibilized at best, targeted at worst.
We are not on the same team, what you stand for here against me is the same way you would stand for against protestor who start to be rocky with the police because of capitalism.
I know what you stand for not because of the ideas you shared, but because of the ideas you opposed to.
Not because you were saying oppressive things, but simply because you were opposing me trying to prevent oppressive things.
It's, sadly, as simple as that. It's not about your job, it's about the way you choose to interact with me here. Knowing about that only made things more logical, not more surprising.
On this forum, I have never ceased to try to change things. And at
every
single
points
A moderator, you mostly, was there to remind me that I was delusionnal.
At first, I didn't really understand this phenomenon, but in three or four years, I had the time to change politically. While I evolved and politicized, you and this forum stated the same.
While I had a semi liberal approach at first by trying to change this forum by changing minds of people, it changed when I understood that this forum was simply a reflection of real life. Plain and simple. A systam where the far right is legitimated and where leftist like me are invisibilized at best, targeted at worst.
We are not on the same team, what you stand for here against me is the same way you would stand for against protestor who start to be rocky with the police because of capitalism.
I know what you stand for not because of the ideas you shared, but because of the ideas you opposed to.