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Guy who said the civil rights act is a mistake
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A list of his beliefs:
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A real christian hero like John Brown would be calling Kirk an evil loser, and Trump a fake christian and a pedophile
Btw RyoQ, here is some stuff I think you should know:
1. There are two types of anarchists:
- Social anarchists
- Individualist anarchists
Social anarchists include: anarcho-communists, anarcho syndicalists, and other titles
Social anarchists are those who just want the organisations that run society, to be governed democratically by the people
Individualist anarchists are the kind of anarchists where it's like no work no law whatever else
2. There are two types of socialists:
- Authoritarian socialist
This is like marxist, leninist, Stalin, China, etc
They think there needs to be a strong state, run by an enlightened vanguard, that would make the state act in accordance with the workers' interests, and that would eventually wither away
- Libertarian socialist
This is like social anarchists
They want direct control of things by the people, not through a group of an "enlightened vanguard" that run the state in the people's name, like authoritarian socialists want, but direct democratic control
.
And authoritarian socialists and libertarian socialists have pretty much always been against one another ideologically
The USSR treated anarchists very badly:
"Bolshevik-anarchist relations soon turned sour as the various anarchist groups realized that the Bolsheviks were not interested in pluralism, but rather a centralized one-party rule. A few prominent anarchist figures such as Bill Shatov and Yuda Roshchin, despite their disappointment, encouraged anarchists to cooperate with the Bolsheviks in the present conflict with the hope that there would be time to negotiate.[15] But most anarchists became disillusioned quite quickly with their supposed Bolshevik allies, who took over the soviets and placed them under Communist control.
The sense of betrayal came to a head in March 1918, when Lenin signed the Brest-Litovsk peace treaty with Germany. Though the Bolshevik leaders claimed that the treaty was necessary to allow the revolution to progress, anarchists widely saw it as an excessive compromise which counteracted the idea of international revolution.[18] The Bolsheviks had begun to see the anarchists as a legitimate threat and associated criminality such as robberies, expropriations and murders with anarchist associations. Subsequently, the Council of People's Commissars (Sovnarkom) decided to liquidate criminal recklessness which was associated with anarchists and disarm all anarchist groups in the face of their militancy.[19] After months of increasing anarchist resistance and dwindling Bolshevik patience, the Communist government decisively split with their libertarian agitators in the spring of 1918. In Moscow and Petrograd the newly formed Cheka was sent in to disband all anarchist organizations, and largely succeeded.[20]
On the night of April 12, 1918, the Cheka raided 26 anarchist centres in Moscow, including the House of Anarchy, the headquarters of the Moscow Federation of Anarchist Groups. A fierce battle raged on Malaia Dimitrovka Street. About 40 anarchists were killed or wounded, and approximately 500 were imprisoned. A dozen Cheka agents had also been killed in the fighting. Anarchists joined Mensheviks and Left Socialist revolutionaries in boycotting the 1918 May Day celebrations. Bolshevik repressions of anarchist organizations prompted a series of assassination attempts on the Russian Communist leadership.[21]
By this time some belligerent anarchist dissenters armed themselves and formed groups of so-called “Black Guards” that continued to fight Communist power on a small scale as the Civil War began.[22] The urban anarchist movement, however, was dead."
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism_in_Russia#October_Revolution ( Wikipedia, Anarchism in Russia, during the October Revolution )
You can see an example of social anarchism in the CNT FAI in Spain, which was the force that fought against the spanish fascists:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Revolution_of_1936
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Worker control
Worker control involved the creation of workers' committees that would be in charge of controlling working conditions, the cash movements of the companies, and the control of production of companies that remained in private hands,[38] excepting only those that did not have enough personnel to meet the conditions of belonging to a committee. These committees were made up of between three and nine members, they were made up of representatives of the two unions, in a proportional manner, and of all the services and industries that the company dealt with. These representatives were elected in an assembly of the center, an assembly in which it was decided whether a committee also had the right to sign for the movements of funds, the frequency of meetings between the committee and the patron, and the frequency of meetings between them. Committee membership was not remunerated, a term lasted two years, with eligibility for reelection. Members were responsible, for their management of a company, to the assembly of the company and to the General Council of Industry. A committee approved the hours, salary increases and decreases, changes of categories or workplace, and notifications of absences to workers. A committee had to meet once a week to discuss the employer's proposals and to ensure compliance with the official provisions. The employer representation still had the power of the legal representation of the company, the power to contract, the custody of the box, and the signature and the fixing of their remuneration. If the company had a corporation or other commercial model as a legal entity, a member of the committee had to attend the council meetings with voice but without a vote. "
1. There are two types of anarchists:
- Social anarchists
- Individualist anarchists
Social anarchists include: anarcho-communists, anarcho syndicalists, and other titles
Social anarchists are those who just want the organisations that run society, to be governed democratically by the people
Individualist anarchists are the kind of anarchists where it's like no work no law whatever else
2. There are two types of socialists:
- Authoritarian socialist
This is like marxist, leninist, Stalin, China, etc
They think there needs to be a strong state, run by an enlightened vanguard, that would make the state act in accordance with the workers' interests, and that would eventually wither away
- Libertarian socialist
This is like social anarchists
They want direct control of things by the people, not through a group of an "enlightened vanguard" that run the state in the people's name, like authoritarian socialists want, but direct democratic control
.
And authoritarian socialists and libertarian socialists have pretty much always been against one another ideologically
The USSR treated anarchists very badly:
"Bolshevik-anarchist relations soon turned sour as the various anarchist groups realized that the Bolsheviks were not interested in pluralism, but rather a centralized one-party rule. A few prominent anarchist figures such as Bill Shatov and Yuda Roshchin, despite their disappointment, encouraged anarchists to cooperate with the Bolsheviks in the present conflict with the hope that there would be time to negotiate.[15] But most anarchists became disillusioned quite quickly with their supposed Bolshevik allies, who took over the soviets and placed them under Communist control.
The sense of betrayal came to a head in March 1918, when Lenin signed the Brest-Litovsk peace treaty with Germany. Though the Bolshevik leaders claimed that the treaty was necessary to allow the revolution to progress, anarchists widely saw it as an excessive compromise which counteracted the idea of international revolution.[18] The Bolsheviks had begun to see the anarchists as a legitimate threat and associated criminality such as robberies, expropriations and murders with anarchist associations. Subsequently, the Council of People's Commissars (Sovnarkom) decided to liquidate criminal recklessness which was associated with anarchists and disarm all anarchist groups in the face of their militancy.[19] After months of increasing anarchist resistance and dwindling Bolshevik patience, the Communist government decisively split with their libertarian agitators in the spring of 1918. In Moscow and Petrograd the newly formed Cheka was sent in to disband all anarchist organizations, and largely succeeded.[20]
On the night of April 12, 1918, the Cheka raided 26 anarchist centres in Moscow, including the House of Anarchy, the headquarters of the Moscow Federation of Anarchist Groups. A fierce battle raged on Malaia Dimitrovka Street. About 40 anarchists were killed or wounded, and approximately 500 were imprisoned. A dozen Cheka agents had also been killed in the fighting. Anarchists joined Mensheviks and Left Socialist revolutionaries in boycotting the 1918 May Day celebrations. Bolshevik repressions of anarchist organizations prompted a series of assassination attempts on the Russian Communist leadership.[21]
By this time some belligerent anarchist dissenters armed themselves and formed groups of so-called “Black Guards” that continued to fight Communist power on a small scale as the Civil War began.[22] The urban anarchist movement, however, was dead."
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism_in_Russia#October_Revolution ( Wikipedia, Anarchism in Russia, during the October Revolution )
You can see an example of social anarchism in the CNT FAI in Spain, which was the force that fought against the spanish fascists:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Revolution_of_1936
"
Worker control
Worker control involved the creation of workers' committees that would be in charge of controlling working conditions, the cash movements of the companies, and the control of production of companies that remained in private hands,[38] excepting only those that did not have enough personnel to meet the conditions of belonging to a committee. These committees were made up of between three and nine members, they were made up of representatives of the two unions, in a proportional manner, and of all the services and industries that the company dealt with. These representatives were elected in an assembly of the center, an assembly in which it was decided whether a committee also had the right to sign for the movements of funds, the frequency of meetings between the committee and the patron, and the frequency of meetings between them. Committee membership was not remunerated, a term lasted two years, with eligibility for reelection. Members were responsible, for their management of a company, to the assembly of the company and to the General Council of Industry. A committee approved the hours, salary increases and decreases, changes of categories or workplace, and notifications of absences to workers. A committee had to meet once a week to discuss the employer's proposals and to ensure compliance with the official provisions. The employer representation still had the power of the legal representation of the company, the power to contract, the custody of the box, and the signature and the fixing of their remuneration. If the company had a corporation or other commercial model as a legal entity, a member of the committee had to attend the council meetings with voice but without a vote. "
Buddy, I respect you for trying to get blood from this particular stone, but he’s either a troll with nothing better to do or just a straight up racist/homophobe/misogynist/jackass (likely both), I think your time would be better spent ignoring him until he finally uses a slur and gets the ban he so richly deserves 
By the way, for example, this is what Petr Kropotkin, an anarcho communist from Russia, said about Lenin:
“Lenin is not comparable to any revolutionary figure in history. Revolutionaries have had ideals. Lenin has none.”
"Vladimir Ilyich [Lenin], your concrete actions are completely unworthy of the ideas you pretend to hold. "
And he wrote two letters to Lenin that you can read:
Petr Kropotkin: Two Letters to Lenin
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/kropotkin-peter/1920/letters-lenin.htm
This is what he said about trying to use the state for socialism:
"There are those, on the one hand, who hope to achieve the social revolution through the State by preserving and even extending most of its powers to be used for the revolution. And there are those like ourselves who see the State, both in its present form, in its very essence, and in whatever guise it might appear, an obstacle to the social revolution, the greatest hindrance to the birth of a society based on equality and liberty, as well as the historic means designed to prevent this blossoming. "
And a quote about workers having direct democratic control of society:
"But how do European railways manage without them? How do they continue to convey millions of travellers and mountains of luggage across a continent?
If companies owning railways have been able to agree, why should railway workers, who would take possession of railways, not agree likewise? And if the Petersburg-Warsaw Company and that of Paris-Belfort can act in harmony, without giving themselves the luxury of a common commander, why, in the midst of our societies, consisting of groups of free workers, should we need a Government?"
“Lenin is not comparable to any revolutionary figure in history. Revolutionaries have had ideals. Lenin has none.”
"Vladimir Ilyich [Lenin], your concrete actions are completely unworthy of the ideas you pretend to hold. "
And he wrote two letters to Lenin that you can read:
Petr Kropotkin: Two Letters to Lenin
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/kropotkin-peter/1920/letters-lenin.htm
This is what he said about trying to use the state for socialism:
"There are those, on the one hand, who hope to achieve the social revolution through the State by preserving and even extending most of its powers to be used for the revolution. And there are those like ourselves who see the State, both in its present form, in its very essence, and in whatever guise it might appear, an obstacle to the social revolution, the greatest hindrance to the birth of a society based on equality and liberty, as well as the historic means designed to prevent this blossoming. "
And a quote about workers having direct democratic control of society:
"But how do European railways manage without them? How do they continue to convey millions of travellers and mountains of luggage across a continent?
If companies owning railways have been able to agree, why should railway workers, who would take possession of railways, not agree likewise? And if the Petersburg-Warsaw Company and that of Paris-Belfort can act in harmony, without giving themselves the luxury of a common commander, why, in the midst of our societies, consisting of groups of free workers, should we need a Government?"
Buddy, I respect you for trying to get blood from this particular stone, but he’s either a troll with nothing better to do or just a straight up racist/homophobe/misogynist/jackass (likely both), I think your time would be better spent ignoring him until he finally uses a slur and gets the ban he so richly deserves
That, and the quote that the civil rights act was a huge mistake. As it happens these are also the only seemingly "radical" takes in here
the other things in here include...affirming gender roles? and not wanting Muslim mass migration to Western countries? Wow so radical, just kidding not really, these are like red pill introductory course takes, conservative starter pack.
Tip of the iceberg stuff. Stuff you can say on YouTube without getting censored. Stuff that is shocking only to a liberal who is stuck in 2016
the other things in here include...affirming gender roles? and not wanting Muslim mass migration to Western countries? Wow so radical, just kidding not really, these are like red pill introductory course takes, conservative starter pack.
Tip of the iceberg stuff. Stuff you can say on YouTube without getting censored. Stuff that is shocking only to a liberal who is stuck in 2016
Gotta say, I already liked them outside of this thread, but my respect for @Uncle Van and @AL sama only went up seeing them keep moderating this ridiculous thread. It’s gotta be nearly impossible to keep the conversation in bounds without letting their personal feelings get in the way of letting people fight over politics lol
I know those reports must be insane and that ban button on a couple of individuals here be looking at you like the green goblin mask 🤣
I know those reports must be insane and that ban button on a couple of individuals here be looking at you like the green goblin mask 🤣
@Blax Blah Having fun in the Nakama thread Blax ? I can't participate but I'm still watching
Don't mind the hate, they are actually being nice here. Back in the Nakama war days... it was another level..
The war in question:
Don't mind the hate, they are actually being nice here. Back in the Nakama war days... it was another level..
The war in question: