Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

You really have a habit of over-explaining things while at the same time nothing at all. It always so forcefully philosophical.

I know, I can't help myself

The worse the material conditions, the more likely someone is to commit a crime. There is a reason richer communities always have less and less crimes

The nature of the infractions are not the same, altough the crimes of rich people are usually invizibilized, I agree that poorer material condition will push people to do more crimes, that's true.

Ronald Reagan and his concept of meritocracy propaganda made conservatives believe that someone commits crime simply because they lack morals and integrity, emphasizing the need for incarceration. Basically always addressing the symptoms and not the source.

Result? America has the highest incarceration rate in the world, and also the highest crime rate still.

We completely agree on that. That's a good framing.

? I don't believe that at all though? Human beings are obviously products of their environment. Humans are always taught.

It's nuanced mate. People are never 100% materialist or idealist. It's a mix that must be adjusted contextually because not all things require the full materialist framework, but when idealism is too great, that's when it becomes a problem for political discussion and systemic framework like the fact of looking at solutions to make this forum a better place.

The vision that all types of rethorics are acceptables in the marketplace of ideas is fundamentally idealistic. Words hurt, words shape, words can transform. As such we come in disagreement massively on the way this forum should be run, or the way it should be structured.

Being materialist is being able to recognize ourselves and our places in the chain of domination and power. What power do we hold? What power can we have ? What domination do we allow or perpetuate etc.

 

[Mathias]

@Uncle Van is the kind of cop like in John Woo movies.

What did you do before becoming part of the police btw ? If you don’t mind obviously. Did you work in a dictionary bookstore reading definitions all day ?
[automerge]1759796860[/automerge]
HxH about to comeback bitches !!!!!! Stop bitching about politics and brace for Text x Text NOW !!!

 

[Ravagerblade]

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

so there shouldn't be any law enforcers huh

hey @Uncle Van let's not mod this thread for a week

Make me the mod of the Politics Thread for a week, what could possibly go wrong?

Interpol has seized the IP Domain for "Worstgen.net", after discovering its new moderator, Color of Clowns, has been travelling to other worlds/dimensions, in order to extract Ditto DNA to genetically splice all humans worldwide into furries. He is also accused of using Worstgen to create an interdimensional furry sex cult

I only want to start like... 20 or so revolutions... Okay maybe a lot more than 20... Whole species needs to revolt against this bullshit. The entire system is shit, and anyone who wants to tell me it can't be removed is lying.

 

[Reborn]

It aint even about being proactive; its about people constantly using their own morality and biases as a substitute for right and wrong. I'm simply obsessed with history and how things came to be, and also probably helps that I don't have any strong convictions.

Results? Both the lefties and right wingers in this thread give me the middle finger and make assumptions to feel morally superior lol



Some of these guys believe Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler were leftist despite blaming and targeting leftist to protect the capitalist status quo. What did you expect?

As I said before, you fit into left nicely.

Left needs more like you who can make sense instead of talking too much morality or too extreme which steers away from ground realities.

And, if Leftists give you middle finger then even better - because it tells you the state of Leftist to which they have falllen

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

It's a big list, and we ain't on it.

I'm on plenty of lists, but this isn't one of them.

 

[Blax Blah]

"The Utopists won the battle. They proved that they were the really practical people, and that those who pretended to be practical were imbeciles.



And the only regret expressed now by all who know the Russian peasantry is, that too many concessions were made to those practical imbeciles and narrow-minded egotists: that the advice of the left wing of the unpractical camp was not followed in full. "



[automerge]1759817970[/automerge]



You can tell Wogiko is the GOAT of this forum because right wingers keep hating on him the most and trying to dismiss him

 

[Reborn]

"The Utopists won the battle. They proved that they were the really practical people, and that those who pretended to be practical were imbeciles.



And the only regret expressed now by all who know the Russian peasantry is, that too many concessions were made to those practical imbeciles and narrow-minded egotists: that the advice of the left wing of the unpractical camp was not followed in full. "



[automerge]1759817970[/automerge]



You can tell Wogiko is the GOAT of this forum because right wingers keep hating on him the most and trying to dismiss him

So anyone who don't agree with Logiko is a right winger now?


This is the problem with left - labelling others if they don't agree with them

You can keep your blind simping of Logiko to yourself... We have better things to do than this

 

[Blax Blah]

So anyone who don't agree with Logiko is a right winger now?


This is the problem with left - labelling others if they don't agree with them

You can keep your blind simping of Logiko to yourself... We have better things to do than this

Better things meaning hating on the GOAT

 

[Reborn]

Better things meaning hating on the GOAT

Still better than sucking upto logiko

 

[Zenos7]

You can tell Wogiko is the GOAT of this forum because right wingers keep hating on him the most and trying to dismiss him

what about the non right wingers that also keep hating on him?

 

[Blax Blah]

what about the non right wingers that also keep hating on him?

It is what it is, but

Logiko is a smart leftist

And not only that but when I found out about my specific trauma's name and dealt with suicidal ideation he helped me a lot

So for me he's the GOAT of the forum

What left wingers here hate on him though?
[automerge]1759820807[/automerge]
Also I think I may have heard of him before using the forum, unless I'm mistaken his name used to be Carrot4Nakama or something like that and I heard that being mentioned before in some livestreams or videos, I don't know if it was the person or a hashtag though

 

[Logiko]

Left needs more like you who can make sense instead of talking too much morality or too extreme which steers away from ground realities.

And, if Leftists give you middle finger then even better - because it tells you the state of Leftist to which they have falllen

You want the left, but not when it's leftist.. in other words, you want the right.

You can tell Wogiko is the GOAT of this forum because right wingers keep hating on him the most and trying to dismiss him

So anyone who don't agree with Logiko is a right winger now?

Not necessarily.

I don't agree with people that are even more leftist than me.

Logiko is a smart leftist

And not only that but when I found out about my specific trauma's name and dealt with suicidal ideation he helped me a lot

So for me he's the GOAT of the forum

What left wingers here hate on him though?

Thanks but that is not deserved. I'm nothing special in term of leftist knowledge. In fact I'm a newborn leftist in comparison to people who inspires me. I'm only very stubborn, that might be my only real advantage here

People don't like me because I try to explain stuff a lot. And I can understand them, you would also be triggered if I did the same thing with you or other leftists here

I can't help it, I need to explain everything with 10 paragraph

Also I think I may have heard of him before using the forum, unless I'm mistaken his name used to be Carrot4Nakama or something like that and I heard that being mentioned before in some livestreams or videos, I don't know if it was the person or a hashtag though

It was a my name on Twitter and a lot of people used it from here.

I was a big name in the Carrot fanbase since I was theorizing a lot about her and there is a guy who made an entire channel inspired by my threads on twitter Lmao.

 

[coolio]

You want the left, but not when it's leftist.. in other words, you want the right.

Not necessarily.

I don't agree with people that are even more leftist than me.



Thanks but that is not deserved. I'm nothing special in term of leftist knowledge. In fact I'm a newborn leftist in comparison to people who inspires me. I'm only very stubborn, that might be my only real advantage here

People don't like me because I try to explain stuff a lot. And I can understand them, you would also be triggered if I did the same thing with you or other leftists here

I can't help it, I need to explain everything with 10 paragraph




It was a my name on Twitter and a lot of people used it from here.

I was a big name in the Carrot fanbase since I was theorizing a lot about her and there is a guy who made an entire channel inspired by my threads on twitter Lmao.

I respect and appreciate all fellow Carrot enjoyers. In the end we'll get the reward of her integral role for waiting all these years.

 

[Logiko]

and there is a guy who made an entire channel inspired by my threads on twitter Lmao.

I found the channel. Very cool dude btw, very kind to sources me here, he even kept my avatar from the old time lol:

https://www.youtube.com/@carrotthestrawhat5822/videos

 

[coolio]

I found the channel. Very cool dude btw, very kind to sources me here, he even kept my avatar from the old time lol:

https://www.youtube.com/@carrotthestrawhat5822/videos

My favorite ideas come from AllBlueTiger, Neo Uma, and Darianwn

 

[Mathias]

France about to implode from within. The party created by DeGaulle will probably fully make an alliance with the party of the Nazi Collaboration.

 

[Logiko]

AllBlueTiger

I don't know the other two but this one is a very cool theorist. They had a very cool idea (I quoted them a while ago here)

France about to implode from within. The party created by DeGaulle will probably fully make an alliance with the party of the Nazi Collaboration.

Yup.. Our country is a joke and history repeats itself.

Sometimes I want to succumb to the idea that we are just a very dumb specie.

 

[Uncle Van]

As I said before, you fit into left nicely.

Left needs more like you who can make sense instead of talking too much morality or too extreme which steers away from ground realities.

And, if Leftists give you middle finger then even better - because it tells you the state of Leftist to which they have falllen

History over the past few decades, the left or progressives has always been terrible at organizing. The right always had a set of strong core values, alot of them coinciding with American core values itself. Whether it's pro guns, pro life, Patriotism, nationalism, Anti-immigration, religion etc., right wingers and conservatives tend to support at least majority of these movements at once, allowing them to move as one cohesive unit.

For the left, notice how many separated movements there are. These movements also tend to clash with each other, like how the LGB and feminist movement often clash with the Trans movement. Hell, the Trans movement itself has different factions and infighting. The lack of cohesion is also reflected in the Democratic Party who cant make up their minds and stick to one goal.

You can tell Wogiko is the GOAT of this forum because right wingers keep hating on him the most and trying to dismiss him

People's dislike and/or dismissal of him is almost forum wide...lots of them leftist...

It is what it is, but

Logiko is a smart leftist

And not only that but when I found out about my specific trauma's name and dealt with suicidal ideation he helped me a lot

So for me he's the GOAT of the forum

No offense and not downplaying what he did for me, but you're admitting that you are very biased for him because of it. The fact that you try to deem people who disagree with him as automatic right wingers is dangerously closed minded.

 

[Logiko]

like how the LGB and feminist movement often clash with the Trans movement.

While you are right in the sense that there are a LOTS of beef between leftist (at the moment for ex, there is a battle between trans materialist and the antipsy movement) we still recognize all of us (including some kinda liberal-leftists like progressive influencers) as leftists.

The LGB movement is a far right movement, not leftist at all. It's a rejection of leftism activism and a conservatist radicalism

People's dislike and/or dismissal of him is almost forum wide...lots of them leftist...

Yeah.. That's logikal lol - I have a radical opinion that conflicts with the current status co of the interest of most people here.

The funny thing is that said opinion is radical on both the vision of the story and the politics of this forum

The fact that you try to deem people who disagree with him as automatic right wingers is dangerously closed minded.

I agree that he seems to have a halo effect bias toward me which can be dangerous (and I keep telling you @Blax Blah , I'm really thankfull to see that I'm heard here, but I'm just a dumb leftist with a lot of determination, I'm not a goat or anything lol ).. but that's not what he said.