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I understand. While there is no "absolute truth" in this case, intersectionnal materialism is the framing that allows us the best to understand the world at the moment. The rest is not really viable. See it as leftist having the picture of the entire picture of the puzzle in mind, in the big shapes, while we are all trying to find the pieces and build. It's a attempt of persuasion yes, but a necessary one.
The problem is that settler colonialism, in all cases is passed on even after people are born on the land. It's a form of exploitative and extrative domination, so what was created by ancestor is still happening and still make people on the land colonist. Be it in US or Israel. That's why the only way to stop it, is the path of full reparation and acceptation of the situation.
And. I don't want to accept that. Forum are crumbling because of their own toxicity, not because of the subjects they are talking about.
Basically is like saying "so yeah a man with a virus is dying... so what?" Welll.... get the virus under control if you wanna save the man!
It feels like despite being the one that criticized it the most, I'm the only one who really want(ed) to save this forum
No, this means that you have contradicting beliefs or knowledge at least and you don't see that. And you can tell me "you make assumptions" all you want. I had the SAME contradicting beliefs/knowledge, so I know that at one point they gotta align
There is no such thing as non capitalist nations. All nations, even communists ones are partly capitalist or autoritarian. Communism doesn't exist on this planet as a complete and functionning system for the moment. So cops are used for the state and capitalists interest, just like other capitalists states.
Ok so you are agreeing with me then? Why are we fighting? Why are you constantly contradicting me if you agree with me that cops are part of the problem and responsible in the systemic oppression of people?
if only
yeah I know. I had a lot of contradicting stuff in my mind too when I was young
Nah, there are ways to deal without the police.
It's called class interest. It's basic marxism dude. It's like saying "billionnaire have the interest to stay rich". This is not an assumption it's a material reality. It's a very cold analysis to be honest, I'm not even talking about your values or anything else here, simply the basic interest that come with this class. Unless you tell me that you are on your way out and things could be different then.
Nah, I'm only stating the current material reality of what is the police, nothing more. It contradicts what you believe, yes (and it's good). But that's not because of me. I'm not responsible for this contradiction.
Good, so you are already in the phase where you are actively contradicting the interest of your own class. Tell me if I'm wrong, but this is not something you learned to do in the police, right?
Losing a job.... is part of the deal. You are not alone in protecting the interest of the ruling class. Which means that going against this, (for ex helping thieves) will create conflict, will make you risk your job, will make your risk your social circle and social status. This is what happens when we contradict our own class interests or the social normal of our in-groups. We all have the interest to keep that. Unless..
You don't care about keeping that job.....
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This?
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Or this ?
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One contradicts the other if you wanna change the world and be a leftist, so you tell me. Which one do you keep?
I mean... yeah it's true, but you certainly have an amazing ability to deal with contradicting thoughts.
I would not be able to deal with that myself. I need things to be coherent.
Yeah if you want... but it's true. You have everything to be an even better leftist than I am. With your knowledge, you could transform this forum in a heartbeat if you let that baseless assumptions of leftists like me go.
I'm did not focus on you specifically for no reason. I know that you have an amazing potential. (here, i made it even more cheezy)
That’s a fair point, several generations have passed so there are definitely “native” Israeli Jews…and yes, like I mentioned before, I’m not terribly keen on the idea of a full abolition that leaves my people high and dry, but getting nations to stop going to war with each other is a much taller task 
And. I don't want to accept that. Forum are crumbling because of their own toxicity, not because of the subjects they are talking about.
Basically is like saying "so yeah a man with a virus is dying... so what?" Welll.... get the virus under control if you wanna save the man!
It feels like despite being the one that criticized it the most, I'm the only one who really want(ed) to save this forum
No, this means that you have contradicting beliefs or knowledge at least and you don't see that. And you can tell me "you make assumptions" all you want. I had the SAME contradicting beliefs/knowledge, so I know that at one point they gotta align
There is no such thing as non capitalist nations. All nations, even communists ones are partly capitalist or autoritarian. Communism doesn't exist on this planet as a complete and functionning system for the moment. So cops are used for the state and capitalists interest, just like other capitalists states.
Ok so you are agreeing with me then? Why are we fighting? Why are you constantly contradicting me if you agree with me that cops are part of the problem and responsible in the systemic oppression of people?
if only
yeah I know. I had a lot of contradicting stuff in my mind too when I was young
Nah, there are ways to deal without the police.
It's called class interest. It's basic marxism dude. It's like saying "billionnaire have the interest to stay rich". This is not an assumption it's a material reality. It's a very cold analysis to be honest, I'm not even talking about your values or anything else here, simply the basic interest that come with this class. Unless you tell me that you are on your way out and things could be different then.
Nah, I'm only stating the current material reality of what is the police, nothing more. It contradicts what you believe, yes (and it's good). But that's not because of me. I'm not responsible for this contradiction.
Good, so you are already in the phase where you are actively contradicting the interest of your own class. Tell me if I'm wrong, but this is not something you learned to do in the police, right?
Losing a job.... is part of the deal. You are not alone in protecting the interest of the ruling class. Which means that going against this, (for ex helping thieves) will create conflict, will make you risk your job, will make your risk your social circle and social status. This is what happens when we contradict our own class interests or the social normal of our in-groups. We all have the interest to keep that. Unless..
You don't care about keeping that job.....
>>>
This?
>>
Or this ?
>>
One contradicts the other if you wanna change the world and be a leftist, so you tell me. Which one do you keep?
I mean... yeah it's true, but you certainly have an amazing ability to deal with contradicting thoughts.
I would not be able to deal with that myself. I need things to be coherent.
Yeah if you want... but it's true. You have everything to be an even better leftist than I am. With your knowledge, you could transform this forum in a heartbeat if you let that baseless assumptions of leftists like me go.
I'm did not focus on you specifically for no reason. I know that you have an amazing potential. (here, i made it even more cheezy)
Based on what you say that? Pretty sure no Israeli wants that. And probably no Palestinian. This makes no sense and would be a terrible idea.
I don't have a solution for that and don't understand why Palestinians can't build their state. I'd guess there are a lot of interesting to keep that area as an eternal warzone but I don't know exactly why.
I don't have a solution for that and don't understand why Palestinians can't build their state. I'd guess there are a lot of interesting to keep that area as an eternal warzone but I don't know exactly why.
being a cop and improving your particular community that you are serving is already doing enough for a single individual my guy.
arent you the one talking about illegitimate expectations when it comes to one piece? lmfao
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always the same with this dude, but he is the one with actual understanding, while he isnt even capable of summarizing our (sometimes simple) points
arent you the one talking about illegitimate expectations when it comes to one piece? lmfao
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always the same with this dude, but he is the one with actual understanding, while he isnt even capable of summarizing our (sometimes simple) points
How many supporters of the orange sex criminal want to bet the Goonpla Loopa is going to send his masked kidnappers to Miami, now that a woman who hates him ruined him in a fair election?
ICE ICE baby, Soft Serve like Vanilla 3-inch Orange Creamsickle
Nice job Miami, glad to see a lot of the racist American Cubans, who had the nerve to act like they're superior to American Mexicans, sat this one out after proving they know crap about real politics during the last election.
ICE ICE baby, Soft Serve like Vanilla 3-inch Orange Creamsickle
Nice job Miami, glad to see a lot of the racist American Cubans, who had the nerve to act like they're superior to American Mexicans, sat this one out after proving they know crap about real politics during the last election.
Being a cop and being anticapitalist are not compatible, I'm sorry.
I know your point. I don't need to summarize them. I simply go beyond your point to show you why they are not viable.
You seems to think that I don't understand what you are saying. I do, I understand very well, I'm simply telling you that either reality doesn't work like that, either your points are not valid.
I know your point. I don't need to summarize them. I simply go beyond your point to show you why they are not viable.
You seems to think that I don't understand what you are saying. I do, I understand very well, I'm simply telling you that either reality doesn't work like that, either your points are not valid.
Between the falsified education, low IQ, clear dementia, and known track record of lying about everything, it's always a great game to guess:
"Is Trump actually so dumb he believes this crap, or is he knowingly lying?"
Next time anyone accuses me of doing anything wrong, I'm just going to blame Biden.
"Oh, sorry, that picture of Zunesha's giant elephant schlong? Guys, Joe Biden hacked my computer, I'm a victim, HALP, how could this happen to ME"
Just Blame Biden baby, personal accountability is a Liberal Hoax, or something.
Edit: is anyone else getting a Server Error every time they post, but still having the posts go through?