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No offence, mate, but you don't even know me. My grievances with policing is not in the degree of violence I could mete out (ridiculous), it's the proven issues with our police force. The training involved prioritises specific communities, which is wholly discriminatory. I know many police officers are just bound by red tape and unable to act in a way that could save lives and prevent crime. I'd not be able to operate in a system that actively goes against the actual profession.
You see all your first two paragraphs were completely understandable and with this one all I see is racism/essentialization. No matter how bad your enemies are, if you start dehumanizing them and essentializing them you will not get your way mate...
You don't have to resort to essentialization to understand that you just happened to get straight up assholes as neighboors. Why do you need 1. to tell me that they are immigrants 2. tell me that they are "these people" ??
Do you understand what you are doing or not? Furthermore, how do you expect people to be nice with you if you already consider them as lower than human (which is why you are doing when you tell me that these people only understand violence).
Why are you doing that? How would you react if these guyz were not immigrants? I'm not questionning the violence that you are under, I'm questionning how you look at it.
What I hearing is "all immigrants are violent and asshole and only understand violence". What do you expect me to say to that if not "stop the racism" ?
You are dealing with assholes. Not immigrant asshole, asshole FIRST. Why do you need to resort to reactionnarism?
See the problem is that cases like these breeds fascism. They take their experience and extrude it to the entirerity of communities. Migrants are like you and me, and like everyone else, there are assholes and there are good people.
i've been observing your behavior for month now and repeatitively told you to stop being an asshole with your out of context concept to try to look smarter than the smarties. Bad luck, you are dealing with someone who is not afraid to tell you that they have very little culture in the sense names and dates. Also bad luck, this same person has been dealing with the one of the most severe case of introspection and have been dealing with your own ideology themselve to overcome it.
I know you are all ignoring that data (strangely it's the one thing noones dares to comment one) but that's who I am. And there is no dealing with someone like me through the usual means. I'm kind of an exception, in the bad and the good.
I've been all of you. So I will see through all of you like a hawk.
No. It's the same in all the west : white supremacy.
Trust Mathias. Don't do it. Unless you want a streissand effect. Because trust me that if I could see the racism within your words, the left that is a lot meaner that I am will not lose time to call you out. Even if you are right to be upset in this matter.
Hear my advice : go ask a form of mediation with a neighboorhood association.
You don't have to resort to essentialization to understand that you just happened to get straight up assholes as neighboors. Why do you need 1. to tell me that they are immigrants 2. tell me that they are "these people" ??
Do you understand what you are doing or not? Furthermore, how do you expect people to be nice with you if you already consider them as lower than human (which is why you are doing when you tell me that these people only understand violence).
Why are you doing that? How would you react if these guyz were not immigrants? I'm not questionning the violence that you are under, I'm questionning how you look at it.
What I hearing is "all immigrants are violent and asshole and only understand violence". What do you expect me to say to that if not "stop the racism" ?
You are dealing with assholes. Not immigrant asshole, asshole FIRST. Why do you need to resort to reactionnarism?
See the problem is that cases like these breeds fascism. They take their experience and extrude it to the entirerity of communities. Migrants are like you and me, and like everyone else, there are assholes and there are good people.
i've been observing your behavior for month now and repeatitively told you to stop being an asshole with your out of context concept to try to look smarter than the smarties. Bad luck, you are dealing with someone who is not afraid to tell you that they have very little culture in the sense names and dates. Also bad luck, this same person has been dealing with the one of the most severe case of introspection and have been dealing with your own ideology themselve to overcome it.
I know you are all ignoring that data (strangely it's the one thing noones dares to comment one) but that's who I am. And there is no dealing with someone like me through the usual means. I'm kind of an exception, in the bad and the good.
I've been all of you. So I will see through all of you like a hawk.
No. It's the same in all the west : white supremacy.
Trust Mathias. Don't do it. Unless you want a streissand effect. Because trust me that if I could see the racism within your words, the left that is a lot meaner that I am will not lose time to call you out. Even if you are right to be upset in this matter.
Hear my advice : go ask a form of mediation with a neighboorhood association.
Also don't make the horror error to take your own experience as a representation of the situation in your country. Currently (I believe you live in UK if I'm not mistaken), you are completely backward on your conclusion of the actual reality of the system that is currently in the stage of fascisation. Especially regarding migrants and lgbtqi+
You need to challenge your belief on this matter, trust me. A bad experience is not an excuse to racism.
You need to challenge your belief on this matter, trust me. A bad experience is not an excuse to racism.
You see all your first two paragraphs were completely understandable and with this one all I see is racism/essentialization. No matter how bad your enemies are, if you start dehumanizing them and essentializing them you will not get your way mate...
You don't have to resort to essentialization to understand that you just happened to get straight up assholes as neighboors. Why do you need 1. to tell me that they are immigrants 2. tell me that they are "these people" ??
Do you understand what you are doing or not? Furthermore, how do you expect people to be nice with you if you already consider them as lower than human (which is why you are doing when you tell me that these people only understand violence).
Why are you doing that? How would you react if these guyz were not immigrants? I'm not questionning the violence that you are under, I'm questionning how you look at it.
What I hearing is "all immigrants are violent and asshole and only understand violence". What do you expect me to say to that if not "stop the racism" ?
You are dealing with assholes. Not immigrant asshole, asshole FIRST. Why do you need to resort to reactionnarism?
See the problem is that cases like these breeds fascism. They take their experience and extrude it to the entirerity of communities. Migrants are like you and me, and like everyone else, there are assholes and there are good people.
i've been observing your behavior for month now and repeatitively told you to stop being an asshole with your out of context concept to try to look smarter than the smarties. Bad luck, you are dealing with someone who is not afraid to tell you that they have very little culture in the sense names and dates. Also bad luck, this same person has been dealing with the one of the most severe case of introspection and have been dealing with your own ideology themselve to overcome it.
I know you are all ignoring that data (strangely it's the one thing noones dares to comment one) but that's who I am. And there is no dealing with someone like me through the usual means. I'm kind of an exception, in the bad and the good.
I've been all of you. So I will see through all of you like a hawk.
No. It's the same in all the west : white supremacy.
Trust Mathias. Don't do it. Unless you want a streissand effect. Because trust me that if I could see the racism within your words, the left that is a lot meaner that I am will not lose time to call you out. Even if you are right to be upset in this matter.
Hear my advice : go ask a form of mediation with a neighboorhood association.
You don't have to resort to essentialization to understand that you just happened to get straight up assholes as neighboors. Why do you need 1. to tell me that they are immigrants 2. tell me that they are "these people" ??
Do you understand what you are doing or not? Furthermore, how do you expect people to be nice with you if you already consider them as lower than human (which is why you are doing when you tell me that these people only understand violence).
Why are you doing that? How would you react if these guyz were not immigrants? I'm not questionning the violence that you are under, I'm questionning how you look at it.
What I hearing is "all immigrants are violent and asshole and only understand violence". What do you expect me to say to that if not "stop the racism" ?
You are dealing with assholes. Not immigrant asshole, asshole FIRST. Why do you need to resort to reactionnarism?
See the problem is that cases like these breeds fascism. They take their experience and extrude it to the entirerity of communities. Migrants are like you and me, and like everyone else, there are assholes and there are good people.
i've been observing your behavior for month now and repeatitively told you to stop being an asshole with your out of context concept to try to look smarter than the smarties. Bad luck, you are dealing with someone who is not afraid to tell you that they have very little culture in the sense names and dates. Also bad luck, this same person has been dealing with the one of the most severe case of introspection and have been dealing with your own ideology themselve to overcome it.
I know you are all ignoring that data (strangely it's the one thing noones dares to comment one) but that's who I am. And there is no dealing with someone like me through the usual means. I'm kind of an exception, in the bad and the good.
I've been all of you. So I will see through all of you like a hawk.
No. It's the same in all the west : white supremacy.
Trust Mathias. Don't do it. Unless you want a streissand effect. Because trust me that if I could see the racism within your words, the left that is a lot meaner that I am will not lose time to call you out. Even if you are right to be upset in this matter.
Hear my advice : go ask a form of mediation with a neighboorhood association.
Despite the risk of it being a stereotype, one of my best friends is black, many of my colleagues are of pakistani origin, and my wife is half-asian. I am not fundamentally a racist. I'm calling an issue as it is.
I know.
I'm not asking you not to be tired, i'm asking you to actually make the effort of going beyond your own preconception of the concept.
It actually is. It would take a big explanation to tell you why but it is.
Well...
We are ALL racist. Not you specifically. And not pointing a finger here to tell you "hu huuu you are the bad one". No. i'm telling you "careful, this is racism, we can do better". I will always be willing to open the toolbox to help you counter this problem (which won't be the case for the rest of the left, trust me), but I won't do it if I'm not sure that you will actually make the effort of listening and question said mindset.
When I was sliding toward reactionnarism, it is my curiosity that led me to listen to others. It took me time and the destruction of my material conditions (I was suddenly marginalized) but I got there because I took that leap of faith.
What people were telling angered me at the time yet I STILL tried to understand why they were saying this. With the understanding of the reasons and basis of the rethorics, I ended up understanding and agreeing with the rethoric itself.
i'm simply asking all of you to take that leap of faith.
Not toward a god, but toward me and other leftists here who are still willing to talk to you.
No. I'm not using just that. My subjective experience is only what can allow me to LISTEN to challenging rethorics (as I'm marginalized, I'm more willing to listen to the words of marginalized people seriousely), but my understanding is factual and conceptual.
It's materialism within the realm of capitalism and white supremacy.
I'm using :
- Materialism
- My knowledge of domination system and factual datas about your country
- My maginarlized experience
ALL to be able to go beyond the white supremacist rethorics that - despite what you might think - is hegemonic in europe, UK included.
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Little question, with the knowledge that I love my family.. do you think that I will become anti-immagrationnist if tomorrow a migrant kills a member of my family? What about if later another one kill another member ? Do you think I will start to agree with you?
No
I'm not asking you not to be tired, i'm asking you to actually make the effort of going beyond your own preconception of the concept.
It actually is. It would take a big explanation to tell you why but it is.
Well...
We are ALL racist. Not you specifically. And not pointing a finger here to tell you "hu huuu you are the bad one". No. i'm telling you "careful, this is racism, we can do better". I will always be willing to open the toolbox to help you counter this problem (which won't be the case for the rest of the left, trust me), but I won't do it if I'm not sure that you will actually make the effort of listening and question said mindset.
When I was sliding toward reactionnarism, it is my curiosity that led me to listen to others. It took me time and the destruction of my material conditions (I was suddenly marginalized) but I got there because I took that leap of faith.
What people were telling angered me at the time yet I STILL tried to understand why they were saying this. With the understanding of the reasons and basis of the rethorics, I ended up understanding and agreeing with the rethoric itself.
i'm simply asking all of you to take that leap of faith.
Not toward a god, but toward me and other leftists here who are still willing to talk to you.
No. I'm not using just that. My subjective experience is only what can allow me to LISTEN to challenging rethorics (as I'm marginalized, I'm more willing to listen to the words of marginalized people seriousely), but my understanding is factual and conceptual.
It's materialism within the realm of capitalism and white supremacy.
I'm using :
- Materialism
- My knowledge of domination system and factual datas about your country
- My maginarlized experience
ALL to be able to go beyond the white supremacist rethorics that - despite what you might think - is hegemonic in europe, UK included.
---
Little question, with the knowledge that I love my family.. do you think that I will become anti-immagrationnist if tomorrow a migrant kills a member of my family? What about if later another one kill another member ? Do you think I will start to agree with you?
No
Maybe. But also, they didn’t see him get stabbed.
I do feel like the angle that “white people are being victimized by the system” that folks are trying to push with this story is a bit forced.
because ultimately the guy was a victim of crime, even if the cops were incompetent. And people of all races are victims of crime, in fact I think being a minority makes you more likely to live in an unsafe neighborhood and hence be victims of crime.
Yeah it sucks. Perhaps the cops should be fired, idk, I didn’t look into it much. But this isn’t the “white man’s George Floyd” like some people want to believe.
I do feel like the angle that “white people are being victimized by the system” that folks are trying to push with this story is a bit forced.
because ultimately the guy was a victim of crime, even if the cops were incompetent. And people of all races are victims of crime, in fact I think being a minority makes you more likely to live in an unsafe neighborhood and hence be victims of crime.
Yeah it sucks. Perhaps the cops should be fired, idk, I didn’t look into it much. But this isn’t the “white man’s George Floyd” like some people want to believe.
Let me make it clear. I am tired that the word is used as a bludgeon. It's used to try and defame or delegitimise someone's opinion. It is the framing I have issue with, because it's a heinous and subversive tactic.
I know I am not a 'racist' so to speak. My issues are not the word. It's just them arguing in bad faith.
I know I am not a 'racist' so to speak. My issues are not the word. It's just them arguing in bad faith.