If you say the police are mandatory in this current unjust setting, then comes the many explanations on how you dont understand anything, as someone could take your rhetoric and push the idea that the police are always mandatory no matter what, threatening the endpoint.
But they are not lol. I know it's hard to accept, but they really are not
. At the condition that other politics follow. If you simply get rid of the police.. without doing anything else well that would be stupid. That would be a start, but there would be a problem, there would be no buffer yet the same domination systems, so....
What we need is to abolish the police AND do the necessary for this abolition to be effective.
And yes.. like I will demonstrate in the following reply, I do believe that you don't understand what I'm saying. Not by a lack of intelligence,
but a lack of perspective.
Yet, the reality is, you engaged in the same dog-piling that others did that day. I'm confident enough in my beliefs and experiences to have not been permanently disheartened, but at the time, I was still rather freshly out of my situation and quite emotional about the topic. I guess you at least didn't levy accusations about my character that time, so I suppose that's something.
If you felt that I'm sorry. I try to be warry of the state of mind of people, but sometimes I just fire shots randomly.
However, I want to ask you something. In a sense, I am the one who went through the great materialistic shift on that issue. Nobody else here is even close. I experienced it, lived it for almost thirty years. I have coached others to deal with the pain too as a mentor. I've got the scars to prove it. Physical. Deep. Permanent.
Completely true and I hope you are gonna be fine. Also on the left we would call that a "material" shift (in the sense that you had a change in "material condition"), but it's just wordings
Yet somehow you considered me less informed than you. How does that fit with your materialistic world view?
Only on leftism and materialism, not on something you experienced, I absolutely cannot comprehend what people can live, I can only empathyze. It's your guyz's stories not mine. Only people who live similar life as us can know what we live, no matter the situation.
On leftism and materialism on the other hand, I do believe that you understand less because I can see it through your reasonning. But it's okay, that's not a fixed point. I can give you data, books, researches, logics and tips to understand the reasonning better if you are interested. It took me 6 full years to learn about it and I'm only understanding the core level, not all the cultural orbiting stuff around. It's complex because we are not educated to think like that to begin with.
To build a paradise, we will need to think out of the boxes.
And one foundamental thing to understand is that
knowing about materialism (
what I described to you for example, which is the depoliticized version)
is not enough to understanding.
I think it's Zenos or Van I don't remember who once laughed because I said something about knowledge not being the ultimate response to understanding or something like that. Well this is what I mean.
There are heuristics within our cognition (
biases, reasonning and shortcuts) that will prevent us from seeing and accepting obvious things. You can for example demonstrated mathematically to a flat earther than earth is a sphere, they won't believe you.
This is not about a lack of intelligence. I understood that after I got out of conspiracy theorism
It might be hard to picture for people here, but within my social circle, I'm considered quite and weirdly "intelligent" (
if that means something). But, with a very weird logic (
hence the name, Logiko). People have often laugh at my weird out-there logic, I often got under the radar because I do not express myself very well... but they also often got surprised by the way I could solve problems. I don't like to think out of the box, I don't know how to do that. What I do is that I build another box to create new a thought process.
The reason people factually don't understand DESPITE KNOWING about marxism or leftism or materialism (
even if they have read more than me), is
because their biases create a literal wall that prevents them for see the layer under the surface of each belief systems. Again, it's not a lack of intelligence. It's very important to understand that if I thought that people here were too dumb to understand what I'm saying, I would never try to convince them.
You can teach a kid how to bike and all about how it feels to ride a bike all you want, but if you never put them on the bike and let them FEEL what it feel for themselve, they will never understand. That "feeling" is the difference between knowing that people live in precarity and knowing what it feels like to live in precarity.
When you are marginalized, there is a much bigger chance for you to understand other marginalized people. Most often, the reason why marginalized people don't go toward that path is out of self-preservation.
They think that "their situation is different" so they believe that other marginalized people (
who are usually activist) are acting AGAINST their interests and lying. But what they don't know, is that this phenomenon has been studied in multiple domain of domination, especially racism and colonialism. And this is a myth, if you get marginalized, you will be marginalized, there is no way to gain the favor of one side or get benefits, the domination you once faced will follow you.
For example, I healed myself through introspection unlike leftist who had to healed themselves through medication and the complete and violent reject of the institution. My situation was not violent even if medication would have killed me.. I could say that my situation is not like the leftists who were internalized and told me everything about the horror of these places or psychiatry, I simply could have said that my situation was different and that the people I saw were actually kind and that they are lying about the horros of psychiatry or sanism or ableism....
But that would be ignoring the actual domination I faced everyday from places I did not look at. If I feel that I'm better by not doing something that other leftist have done to get better, it doesn't mean that what they lived was not real. It means that I did not lived it. But I got close enough to witness that what I saw as simple jab at my person were actually ableist and sanist attacks they were completely destroying me day after day.
If I didn't lived that experience, I would have never started to say "wait, I feel a bit like that too". And I would have sided with people who call leftist paranoids and reactionnaries for calling-out psychiatric systems or the domination systems that are ableism or sanism. I FELT the domination, but my cognitive biases created that same wall that transformed the perception of what I felt into something much less threatening.
So I was getting killed day after day without being even aware of it.
It is that wall that I have been trying to destroy for 5 years on this thread with people. They have that wall that is the result of dominations system that transform their perception of reality and either negate real threats or magnify threats that are not ones. Mostly because of their political biases.
These walls are the productions of the political biases of people mixed with the domination systems of society so each behavior and action related to these dominations (racist remarks, ableist action, classist interaction etc.) must be denounced as such. BUT if we want to create another solution to get rid of capitalism and save ourselve,
will will need something more than just a revolution.
We will need a replicable way to take down that wall. I need to find a replicable way to take down your wall so that you see that I'm not lying, that I'm not fascist, that I'm not a threat, that capitalism is actually killing you, that there are domination systems that would be you angry every day if you opened your eyes about it and... most of all....
That there is a way out toward paradise.
Maybe I can take down that wall by giving you hope for a better future that your current political side is giving you. I'm working on that.
As I explained to Van what I need to do, is not force my words on you.
What I need to to is to change your perspectives. So you can see what I can see.
