I've a few little questions for people who think I'm either exagerating or wrong or that my ideas are dangerous:

What is the most horrible thing that could happen if you are right and I'm indeed wrong and my ideology is dangerous ?

Before going further, note the answer. Now compare this to what I know will happen if I'm right:

Surproduction linked to capitalism and the rise of unchecked AI, will destroy and dry all the environments in the span of the next hundred years. Our children will live summers in western country with 50+ degree within the next 20 (far above the lethal zone). Millions will die of the heat, of the lack of water, of poverty that will follow.

As a result, and because systems of dominations are not taken ito consideration, countries will respound with more security and more austerity and authority. While the number of migrants all over the world will also skyrocket because the waters will completely flood entire states, countries who won't have that problems will build more barriers, more anti-immigration policies.

As a result, racism will skyrocket too (as most migrants will be those from the global south who don't have the ressources to fight back), countries will also adopt eugenist policies to lowers the populations while also trying to keeping natalist views as many will fear a replacement by the waves of migrations, this will plunge the world into a war of the fascisms. Fun, right?

Authoritarian policies will skyrockets, marginalized people will die first, then the middle class will be the marginalized people. The elites will get richers because one can always make profit under crisis. Of course countries will take the excuses of the urgency of the climatic situation to push reforms to force people to work much... much more to finance the structural policies necessary to keep people from coming in + militaries (it won't work). Fascism will destroyed many countries, of course many wars will follow, mostly between the east and the US. Alliances will be decisive but my guess is that the western world will side with the US while the global south will side with China.

China will become a land of hope for many as they will also push their environmental policies. Perhaps authoritarian measure too just like the west. But China will win.. at least that what will will think.. because the US will soon start to consider china and any nation of the global south as existantial threats.... rendering wars and intervention legitimate and necessary in their mindsets.

There won't be anyone to stop the tensions this time and things will escalate. As temperatures will rise, Atomic bombs will too.

And finally... the cold will come back on eath. But not all of us.

So... is it worst that what I think could happen?
 

Daniel

T...Tani?!
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I’m tired of constantly overthinking.

I just want to spend my life here on this forum on autopilot, eat good food, sleep well, and shitpost about One Piece and all the other anime I’ve watched like a normal person.

Never drink and drive though. Not even once.
 
Worse than the annihilation of humanity? Multiple fascism? Forced labor? Wars? Death of billions?

Really?


Most of the world is still collectivist and we can see it's worse
So capitalists are not really capitalist then? For ex Musk is not really the owner a his capital, in reality there are millions of people with whome he is sharing his money? Is that what you are trying to say dear?

And I bet Trump is not really the president too, right? He is just the representant of an assemblee that could remove him just by a simple vote, right?

Wait, are workers in the working class actually owning the means of their own production ?

I'm learning so many things today
 
If you felt that I'm sorry. I try to be warry of the state of mind of people, but sometimes I just fire shots randomly.
I'll be a little candid. At the time, I had finally come to terms with everything and had a few years of accustoming to my new norm, outside of the bounds which I was within. I was trying to earnestly explain the experience, and I know I did not explain myself too well. However, I was beset by comments that were not only dismissive, but also painting me as a cruel-hearted person - in part because of what I had suffered. I felt very bad at the time.

A few years departed from then, I feel fine, and I also feel more secure in the issue. For what it's worth, I forgive your involvement, but I cannot say I think kindly of some of the users who treated me that way. I think it highlighted a lack of emotional intelligence. Nonetheless, I am open that people have grown since then, much like I have.

Completely true and I hope you are gonna be fine. Also on the left we would call that a "material" shift (in the sense that you had a change in "material condition"), but it's just wordings
Good that I am basically understanding the concept. If I read someone's err, manifesto, I'm going to at least try to understand it.

that I'm not fascist, that I'm not a threat, that capitalism is actually killing you,
We've discussed my own views on capitalism and materialistic behaviours. I am assuming you're talking in the generic form to everyone, and not just me in particular here. I don't think you're a fascist. Honestly, I don't quite know how to properly quantify you yet.

Only on leftism and materialism, not on something you experienced, I absolutely cannot comprehend what people can live, I can only empathyze. It's your guyz's stories not mine. Only people who live similar life as us can know what we live, no matter the situation.
And yet you accused me and my views on the specific topic as wrong, almost dangerous, when all I was really trying to do was vocalise that there are both sides to an issue, and unexpected consequences that must be considered instead of simply wholeheartedly endorsing something. It's fine, like I said, it was years ago now. :)

I've always got the impression that C4N is too obsessed with the endpoint and not the journey. Like, if he thinks someone holds an opinion/belief that could negatively impact the endpoint in any way, gets dismissed.
My story does somewhat scupper, or intrude upon the desired end point of the issue, so you might be right. If something could hinder 'the greater societal good' then it should be ignored in favour of the perfect end kind of thinking. I find that to be irresponsibly zealous.
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
But they are not lol. I know it's hard to accept, but they really are not. At the condition that other politics follow. If you simply get rid of the police.. without doing anything else well that would be stupid. That would be a start, but there would be a problem, there would be no buffer yet the same domination systems, so....
I don't think you follow...

John Doe: I have a disease and need to take this mandatory medicine to keep living

You: The medicine is not mandatory because [insert reasons like future reform and changes to get rid of diseases, eliminating the need for medicine]

John Doe: I have a disease RIGHT NOW. I need the medicine RIGHT NOW. If I don't take it RIGHT NOW I'll die. It is very mandatory for me thank you

You: more talk about how it is not mandatory because of a future ideal scenario that currently does not exist.

You see the disconnect here? It is objective that the dude's medicine is mandatory if he wants to keep on living, but your insistence on saying the opposite creates abrasiveness and dismissal of whatever else you have to say. Even if you both 100% agree on the endpoint, the issue from earlier creates a wall.
 
Worse than the annihilation of humanity? Multiple fascism? Forced labor? Wars? Death of billions?

Really?
Yes
Either humanity keeps it's Faustian spirit or it might as well be animals, ghosts without a soul

So capitalists are not really capitalist then? For ex Musk is not really the owner a his capital, in reality there are millions of people with whome he is sharing his money? Is that what you are trying to say dear?

And I bet Trump is not really the president too, right? He is just the representant of an assemblee that could remove him just by a simple vote, right?

Wait, are workers in the working class actually owning the means of their own production ?
Are you intentionally being dishonest ?
You know very well what I meant by most of the world
 
I don't think you follow...

John Doe: I have a disease and need to take this mandatory medicine to keep living

You: The medicine is not mandatory because [insert reasons like future reform and changes to get rid of diseases, eliminating the need for medicine]

John Doe: I have a disease RIGHT NOW. I need the medicine RIGHT NOW. If I don't take it RIGHT NOW I'll die. It is very mandatory for me thank you

You: more talk about how it is not mandatory because of a future ideal scenario that currently does not exist.

You see the disconnect here? It is objective that the dude's medicine is mandatory if he wants to keep on living, but your insistence on saying the opposite creates abrasiveness and dismissal of whatever else you have to say. Even if you both 100% agree on the endpoint, the issue from earlier creates a wall.
Unironically a lack of pragmatism.
 
I've a few little questions for people who think I'm either exagerating or wrong or that my ideas are dangerous:

What is the most horrible thing that could happen if you are right and I'm indeed wrong and my ideology is dangerous ?

Before going further, note the answer. Now compare this to what I know will happen if I'm right:

Surproduction linked to capitalism and the rise of unchecked AI, will destroy and dry all the environments in the span of the next hundred years. Our children will live summers in western country with 50+ degree within the next 20 (far above the lethal zone). Millions will die of the heat, of the lack of water, of poverty that will follow.

As a result, and because systems of dominations are not taken ito consideration, countries will respound with more security and more austerity and authority. While the number of migrants all over the world will also skyrocket because the waters will completely flood entire states, countries who won't have that problems will build more barriers, more anti-immigration policies.

As a result, racism will skyrocket too (as most migrants will be those from the global south who don't have the ressources to fight back), countries will also adopt eugenist policies to lowers the populations while also trying to keeping natalist views as many will fear a replacement by the waves of migrations, this will plunge the world into a war of the fascisms. Fun, right?

Authoritarian policies will skyrockets, marginalized people will die first, then the middle class will be the marginalized people. The elites will get richers because one can always make profit under crisis. Of course countries will take the excuses of the urgency of the climatic situation to push reforms to force people to work much... much more to finance the structural policies necessary to keep people from coming in + militaries (it won't work). Fascism will destroyed many countries, of course many wars will follow, mostly between the east and the US. Alliances will be decisive but my guess is that the western world will side with the US while the global south will side with China.

China will become a land of hope for many as they will also push their environmental policies. Perhaps authoritarian measure too just like the west. But China will win.. at least that what will will think.. because the US will soon start to consider china and any nation of the global south as existantial threats.... rendering wars and intervention legitimate and necessary in their mindsets.

There won't be anyone to stop the tensions this time and things will escalate. As temperatures will rise, Atomic bombs will too.

And finally... the cold will come back on eath. But not all of us.

So... is it worst that what I think could happen?
I don't think this is realistic, more like doomposting

Rosa Luxembourg wrote 100 years ago about "socialism or barbarism"

Capitalism may suck but the world will never be blown up or destroyed because Jesus has to come back and rule it
 
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