Yep, I saw the future. He criticized him of using CGPT.

If you are, you are on the opposite side.

In which case, we are not protecting the same people.
Indeed. You will continue to remain in your framework and never listen to another person who has wisdom outside of your narrow, acceptable views. All you care for is what affirms what you wish to be true.

A 'visionary' who suffers from all the biases he accuses his opponents, who he portrays as unenlightened, of suffering from.

Oh, the irony,
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
White savior mentality means nothing. Fanon talked about a concept that researchers now call "whiteness". This is something that is related to the structure of white supremacy.

Whiteness is a form of implied social salary that is instinctively known by all the population. Said "salary" creates a system where white people will get benefit where black people won't. As I said, this is something that is so deeply linked to the structure of society that it is known instinctively by all, to a point where even children are aware of these advantages. (similar to the fact how young children are aware of the class position of other children and act accordingly).

Fanon observed that racialized people would instinctively tried to access to the status of the colonizer in order to survive, sometimes going as far as throwing others under the bus. It is not a problem of biolgy or nothing like that, it is linked to the fact that a person under domination will seek to appear more examplary than the rest of their peer (marginalized people) in order to benefit from the advantage that power might be willing to give to them. (for example, gays and lesbian will often move toward the right by racism and throw trans people under the bus, white feminist will often throw black women under the bus, black people will often throw other black people under the bus, autist will often throw mad people under the bus ETC.). There are a lot of situation in which a population that is racialized will eventually throw other racialized people under the bus. I've talked about asian people in France or the US who will often call-out black people who are too loud or too violent or "not integrated enough". In fact, you will often see white people praise them for their integration or the fact that they go "under the radar"... until they do not and rebel and people start to go back being racist against them. This is an example of the pressure created by dominations and in this case, whiteness.

This is what I was talking about. You don't have a "white savior" mentality, you are simply victim of a system of domination that is pushing you to defend said system (because your situation is different and the system is not hurting you) when in reality, you should be pissed off by it because the first moment you will rebel, it will fall on you like a hawk.
So what you're saying is, you have evidence that I'm trying to integrate into whiteness, throw black and radicalized people under the bus, defends systems that hurt me, and is not being hurt by the system?

Are you assuming once again? Any evidence to suggest that you cant be radical because you aren't consumed with hate over a specific thing?
 
8 years of politicization.



If you are, you are on the opposite side.

In which case, we are not protecting the same people.



I replied precisely to each one of your question. I'm starting to seriousely lose patience.

So I will ask you a simple question in return : Do you know what the "blood stain" is ?



White savior mentality means nothing. Fanon talked about a concept that researchers now call "whiteness". This is something that is related to the structure of white supremacy.

Whiteness is a form of implied social salary that is instinctively known by all the population. Said "salary" creates a system where white people will get benefit where black people won't. As I said, this is something that is so deeply linked to the structure of society that it is known instinctively by all, to a point where even children are aware of these advantages. (similar to the fact how young children are aware of the class position of other children and act accordingly).

Fanon observed that racialized people would instinctively tried to access to the status of the colonizer in order to survive, sometimes going as far as throwing others under the bus. It is not a problem of biolgy or nothing like that, it is linked to the fact that a person under domination will seek to appear more examplary than the rest of their peer (marginalized people) in order to benefit from the advantage that power might be willing to give to them. (for example, gays and lesbian will often move toward the right by racism and throw trans people under the bus, white feminist will often throw black women under the bus, black people will often throw other black people under the bus, autist will often throw mad people under the bus ETC.). There are a lot of situation in which a population that is racialized will eventually throw other racialized people under the bus. I've talked about asian people in France or the US who will often call-out black people who are too loud or too violent or "not integrated enough". In fact, you will often see white people praise them for their integration or the fact that they go "under the radar"... until they do not and rebel and people start to go back being racist against them. This is an example of the pressure created by dominations and in this case, whiteness.

This is what I was talking about. You don't have a "white savior" mentality, you are simply victim of a system of domination that is pushing you to defend said system (because your situation is different and the system is not hurting you) when in reality, you should be pissed off by it because the first moment you will rebel, it will fall on you like a hawk.


No, not really. You think that because you can give me example of other domination then somehow, racism should be similar. It is not. Racism is a specific domination system unlike the kind you are trying to convey.



There is a problem in your argumentation. Sociology is not biology, it's not a system of fixed category. It's an analytical tool used to understand historically contextual phenomenons.

Comparing white supremacy and the cast system does not mean saying they are the same thing. It means they are both systems of social hierarchy that organize relations between groups while being produced by different historical conditions. This is why I said "less impactful". The comparison is not about ranking two similar systems on a scale of "racism". It is about comparing the consequences of both systems of domination.



Whiteness and racialization.

I explained what it is above.


Which is part of white supremacy.


Yes it was.
See above the concept of whiteness within the spectra of racialization.


Thanks. This is perfect !

I see that GPT gave you a form of answer. Too bad. It's not reliable.

This is what I asked all of you to research and precisely the origin of white supremacy : The "limpieza de sangre" or in other word : the blood purity.

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"After the fall of the last muslim kingdom and the expulsion of the jews in 1492, the crown of castile relied on the "statutes of the purity of blood" to purge and homogenize a society with plural identities and to impose a new national order based on a unitary conception of idenity, authority, and religion"

- Lissell Quiroz and Philippe Colin, Decolonial Thoughts, 2023

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"In this society where the social structure was founded around heredity and blood, the blood stain was a form of moral stain on the population. The less a person had a blood stain (the least affiliation to jews or maure possible) the more they could access to the top of the social hierarchy and different function." (cf: La Colonialité du POUVOIR | Final Contreuphorie - @contreuphorie )



"The blood stain, who was a spiritual form of moral infamy, was gradually transplanted during the colonization to the "indian" blood and unslaved people. The moral and spiritual distinction that were constitutive of the blood stain, started to be mixed up and leaked into a form of somatic distinction (body, color of the skin, faces etc.)."

This is how the blurry "racialized" actually appeared historically over time. Through a disctinction between racialized people (who had a form of inherent blood stain) and white people who were colonizing them all at the time.

This is how racism became white supremacy, not as a form of racialism that could include all colors of the skins, but as a result of a specific form of power and domination related to the exploitation, domination and slavery of colonized and subjugated people by white people.

Said racialization then became of form of global and planetary domination through a structural lens linked to eurocentrism, universalism and colonialism.. Structuring all society through the lens of white supremacy.



Exactly. That precisely why understanding white supremacy is fundamental. Because the world is STRUCTURED through this prism of EUROCENTRISM. (I'll let you ask gpt this in the context of decolonial studies).

Everyone is capable of racial domination. If white people didn't create racism, someone else might have done this. But white people did. Not others. White supremacy is this specific beast that can't really be compared to any other systems of domination. It therefore stands above all else as one of the main domination systems of the planets with the others:

Capitalism
Racism (white supremacy)
Patriarchy
Ableism/Sanism
Adultism

And you could add the domination of humans on animals (also this is a completely different beast, no pun intended)

White supremacy is "special" because of the way it structures the world.



It's not a good idea to use biological term to try to speak about sociology, especially when you don't completely master the subject.....



Btw because of the way you use your words : Your sentence makes no sense lol. And it can be simplify very simply:

White supremacy (systemic racism) is incomparable to system like the cast system or form of discrimination of black people on white people mostly white supremacy structures the entierity of society social, cultural and economic in a specific way that other form of domination or discrimination do not.

(this is simplified)



I just did lol
I used claude to give examples of domination systems and to give good translation lol

You didn't prove anything.
If you really think "White supremacy (systemic racism) is incomparable to system like the cast system or form of discrimination of black people on white people mostly white supremacy structures the entierity of society social, cultural and economic in a specific way that other form of domination or discrimination do not" proves anything you are completely wrong.
What you said just implies that each species of domination system has its own particularities (that what species means duh). It doesnt mean that these things are not part of a genus called "domination system" or "racism" (you can give the name you want for that)
 
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I used claude to give examples of domination systems and to give good translation lol

You didn't prove anything.
If you really think "White supremacy (systemic racism) is incomparable to system like the cast system or form of discrimination of black people on white people mostly white supremacy structures the entierity of society social, cultural and economic in a specific way that other form of domination or discrimination do not" proves anything you are completely wrong.
What you said just implies that each species of domination system has its own particularities (that what species means). It doesnt mean that these things are not part of a genus called "domination system" or "racism" (you can give the name you want for that)
Bravo.
 
I used claude to give examples of domination systems and to give good translation lol

You didn't prove anything.
If you really think "White supremacy (systemic racism) is incomparable to system like the cast system or form of discrimination of black people on white people mostly white supremacy structures the entierity of society social, cultural and economic in a specific way that other form of domination or discrimination do not" proves anything you are completely wrong.
What you said just implies that each species of domination system has its own particularities (that what species means). It doesnt mean that these things are not part of a genus called "domination system" or "racism" (you can give the name you want for that)
Giga W. Absolute, flawless victory. You win!

Holy fuck. :BigW:
 
8 years of politicization.

This is what I asked all of you to research and precisely the origin of white supremacy : The "limpieza de sangre" or in other word : the blood purity.

----

"After the fall of the last muslim kingdom and the expulsion of the jews in 1492, the crown of castile relied on the "statutes of the purity of blood" to purge and homogenize a society with plural identities and to impose a new national order based on a unitary conception of idenity, authority, and religion"

- Lissell Quiroz and Philippe Colin, Decolonial Thoughts, 2023

---

"In this society where the social structure was founded around heredity and blood, the blood stain was a form of moral stain on the population. The less a person had a blood stain (the least affiliation to jews or maure possible) the more they could access to the top of the social hierarchy and different function." (cf: La Colonialité du POUVOIR | Final Contreuphorie - @contreuphorie )



"The blood stain, who was a spiritual form of moral infamy, was gradually transplanted during the colonization to the "indian" blood and unslaved people. The moral and spiritual distinction that were constitutive of the blood stain, started to be mixed up and leaked into a form of somatic distinction (body, color of the skin, faces etc.)."

This is how the blurry "racialized" actually appeared historically over time. Through a disctinction between racialized people (who had a form of inherent blood stain) and white people who were colonizing them all at the time.

This is how racism became white supremacy, not as a form of racialism that could include all colors of the skins, but as a result of a specific form of power and domination related to the exploitation, domination and slavery of colonized and subjugated people by white people.
this is genetic fallacy anyway
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
its like say nazism is not a species of fascism because nazism has its own particularities

thats prove anything?
It should be so simple to comprehend but that means admission of failure. All Nazis are fascist but not all fascist are nazis. Like how all white supremacy is domination but not all domination is white supremacy.
 
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