Controversial General Political Discussion

[Toby D. Dog]

who wouldve thought that occupying land surrounded by your biggest enemy wasnt a good idea


hate Israel all you want, but there always seems to be a common trend among terrorist aggressors...

Either you're ignorant to the situation or just massively evil. These people were there first. They can't leave gaza and have had to endure violence coming from the Israeli state for decades now. Peaceful protest doesn't work, the west doesn't give a shit, what are they supposed to do?

 

[NAMELESS]

Everybody cares about agenda driven Jews vs Muslim conflicts
Classic clown gen

People don't really care about stuff that doesn't directly concern them.I don't see many people here crying about Ukraine now that the media isn't covering it like it used to.

 

[AL sama]

if this was up to me I'd drop this subject cause its very sensitive and people will get tiled up pretty easily

 

[Phoenix D. King]

Either you're ignorant to the situation or just massively evil. These people were there first. They can't leave gaza and have had to endure violence coming from the Israeli state for decades now. Peaceful protest doesn't work, the west doesn't give a shit, what are they supposed to do?

why should the west give a shit about iran/taliban backed terrorists?

 

[NAMELESS]

if this was up to me I'd drop this subject cause its very sensitive and people will get tiled up pretty easily

AL,this is the sensitive subjects subsection. People that get upset easily don't belong here.

why should the west give a shit about iran/taliban backed terrorists?

To be fair,if Iran develops nukes,a nuclear conflict could happen in the region and escalate into a bigger conflict.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

why should the west give a shit about iran/taliban backed terrorists?

So I guess the 2 million people living in Gaza are all terrorists and therefore they should die. Funny how you ignore how Israeli authorities have been murdering Palestinians for years now and kicking them out of their homes, where was your indignation then?

 

[AL sama]

AL,this is the sensitive subjects subsection. People that get upset easily don't belong here.

did I stop anyone??

 

[NAMELESS]

did I stop anyone??

There is barely any debate going on anyway.

 

[Mathias]

Remember when the Mossad was seen as the best spy agency on the planet ? Since the far-right took power over there, they stopped preventing any attacks.

:holdthisl:

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

War

War never changes

 

[Blother Fertitta]

why should the west give a shit about iran/taliban backed terrorists?

For Profit

 

[Mathias]

there's justifiably gonna be a "bush did 9/11" conspiracy for this
it makes no sense

I don't get it. Please explain.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

I don't get it. Please explain.

My best friend(who's jewish btw) thinks that they didn't prevent it so that they'd have a justification to genocide the palestinians. I don't like to be conspiratorial, but I see why he thinks that.

To be fair,if Iran develops nukes,a nuclear conflict could happen in the region and escalate into a bigger conflict.

Surely the Ayatollah isn't stupid enough to do that.
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I feel like israel has forced itself into an impossible situation.

They want to be a jewish ethnoreligious state. However they also want to be a western democracy.

The issue with all of this is that Israel cannot be all these things at once. Gaza is under occupation. By all means, the state of israel should be responsible for the governance of this land, but that's not how people talk about it. You see that with shit like "Israel has the right to defend itself" type rhetoric. Yeah Israel has the right to defend itself, but they literally control that land, why can't they govern it effectively?

Well the reason is because, if you went in and you made all the people in gaza israeli citizens and you put that land under Israeli law and order, then it would threaten the status of Israel as a "jewish state". And that's why they won't do it.

Its the same thing with the west bank. The israelis want the land of the judaea and samaria due to its importance in judaism, but they don't want the people, because it would threaten israel's "demographic integrity".

Israel has two choices:

1. Be a full blown jewish theocracy and give all people in the land equal rights under jewish law.
2. be a secular democracy

But unfortunately, israel has chosen a much worst option. To turn itself into an apartheid state.

 

[NAMELESS]

Does Israel use land mines in the Gaza Strip?
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My best friend(who's jewish btw) thinks that they didn't prevent it so that they'd have a justification to genocide the palestinians. I don't like to be conspiratorial, but I see why he thinks that.



Surely the Ayatollah isn't stupid enough to do that.
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I feel like israel has forced itself into an impossible situation.

They want to be a jewish ethnoreligious state. However they also want to be a western democracy.

The issue with all of this is that Israel cannot be all these things at once. Gaza is under occupation. By all means, the state of israel should be responsible for the governance of this land, but that's not how people talk about it. You see that with shit like "Israel has the right to defend itself" type rhetoric. Yeah Israel has the right to defend itself, but they literally control that land, why can't they govern it effectively?

Well the reason is because, if you went in and you made all the people in gaza israeli citizens and you put that land under Israeli law and order, then it would threaten the status of Israel as a "jewish state". And that's why they won't do it.

Its the same thing with the west bank. The israelis want the land of the judaea and samaria due to its importance in judaism, but they don't want the people, because it would threaten israel's "demographic integrity".

Israel has two choices:

1. Be a full blown jewish theocracy and give all people in the land equal rights under jewish law.
2. be a secular democracy

But unfortunately, israel has chosen a much worst option. To turn itself into an apartheid state.

Yeah,Apartheid state.Seems accurate.
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War

War never changes

Thnx for the subsection,TAC.
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My best friend(who's jewish btw) thinks that they didn't prevent it so that they'd have a justification to genocide the palestinians. I don't like to be conspiratorial, but I see why he thinks that.

I don't believe this.IDF and the Mossad care a lot about Israeli civilian lives,they wouldn't allow such conspiracy to take place.
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Rothschilds purchased Israel 😂🤡
They have their hands in all wars 😂

The illuminati strike again.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

I feel like a monarchy would be a good compromise to the situation. Monarchy was how Islam was able to rule over india despite being a minority.

> make judaism the state religion
> have the monarchy marry a jewish israeli to someone from one of the arab royal families of the middle east
> include specific protections in the constitution for Christians, Muslims, and Druze, so everyone has equal rights

basically make Israel like the Mughal empire.

Alternatively they could just have a western democracy, but idk how successful that would be in the region. I feel like israel offers a type of security to the jewish people that they won't just willingly relinquish. Plus I wouldn't be surprised if, were the palestinians to gain power(as they would in a democracy), they might do some pretty awful stuff to the israelis in revenge for the past decades.

Stuff like that did happen in certain african countries. I think in uganda or zimbabwe, there was some sort of expelling of whites and indians once africans took power.

 

[NAMELESS]

I feel like a monarchy would be a good compromise to the situation. Monarchy was how Islam was able to rule over india despite being a minority.

> make judaism the state religion
> have the monarchy marry a jewish israeli to someone from one of the arab royal families of the middle east
> include specific protections in the constitution for Christians, Muslims, and Druze, so everyone has equal rights

basically make Israel like the Mughal empire.

Alternatively they could just have a western democracy, but idk how successful that would be in the region. I feel like israel offers a type of security to the jewish people that they won't just willingly relinquish. Plus I wouldn't be surprised if, were the palestinians to gain power(as they would in a democracy), they might do some pretty awful stuff to the israelis in revenge for the past decades.

Stuff like that did happen in certain african countries. I think in uganda or zimbabwe, there was some sort of expelling of whites and indians once africans took power.

Yeah,that wouldn't work.Israel needs to keep its current ethnological composition to keep social cohesion.They should just withdraw from occupied lands and recognize Palestine.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Yeah,that wouldn't work.Israel needs to keep its current ethnological composition to keep social cohesion.They should just withdraw from occupied lands and recognize Palestine.

A two state solution would never work imo.

Palestinians view Israel as their stolen land. You need one state where everyone is equal.

 

[NAMELESS]

no

They don't use it any longer,but they used to and there are a few minefields forgotten here and there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_mines_in_Israel
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A two state solution would never work imo.

Palestinians view Israel as their stolen land. You need one state where everyone is equal.

Than i guess this will never end.
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A two state solution would never work imo.

Palestinians view Israel as their stolen land. You need one state where everyone is equal.

As you yourself said,i doubt Israelis and Arabs can coexist peacefully in Israel.

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

lol at how blatant "israeli lives are worth more than your lives" is to them
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Yeah,that wouldn't work.Israel needs to keep its current ethnological composition to keep social cohesion.They should just withdraw from occupied lands and recognize Palestine.

israel needs to accept multiculturalism. its 2023. we can't have one race own one country and kill everyone else anymore. isnt that what they say?

 

[NAMELESS]

lol at how blatant "israeli lives are worth more than your lives" is to them

Proportionally,they are correct.This many casualties in a small country like this is a lot.Many people will know someone that got directly affected by the violence.