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despicable in every way possible…
despicable in every way possible…
I just got this message from someone in my masjid and came to post it too.
I was also gonna say videos? Fuck no. I certainly don't want to see gore. I tried to ignore this conflict like I ignore all the things I can't affect, but knowing so many innocent people are being hurt bothered me to the point where I had to find out more, as I didn't stop thinking about it. And now it's close to home. Americans are a special kind of nuts and the fact that we shouldn't even be involved doesn't stop us from doing dumb shit as a response. I hope everyone stays safe.
I was also gonna say videos? Fuck no. I certainly don't want to see gore. I tried to ignore this conflict like I ignore all the things I can't affect, but knowing so many innocent people are being hurt bothered me to the point where I had to find out more, as I didn't stop thinking about it. And now it's close to home. Americans are a special kind of nuts and the fact that we shouldn't even be involved doesn't stop us from doing dumb shit as a response. I hope everyone stays safe.
I think I figured it out, why Israel does so many shitty things.
It's the Eren Yeager mentality.
I've noticed, even within my own community, that there exists this sentiment of jewish cynicism. The idea that everyone either hates jews or are indifferent to the lives of jewish people. That nobody cares about us or our lives and hence the only people we can rely on for our own freedom and security is ourselves.
"I don't think muslims will ever truly accept us" - a friend of mine
No doubt this mentality was created through centuries of European antisemitism. From expulsions to ghettoization and pogroms. Ultimately culminating in the Holocaust, the genocide of 6 million European jews.
"Everyone is our enemy, therefore we need to do whatever it takes to free our people, even if that means acting exactly like our enemy"
It's becoming the titan to fight the titans.
I think the walls in this scene are an allegory for power and oppression.
being trapped within the walls = oppressed peoples
seeing beyond the walls = becoming the oppressor
The reason why Eren conflates this with freedom is that when you are at the top, there is nobody above you who can take away your freedom.
And I feel like that is the nationalist version of freedom. It is the zionist version of freedom.
If you've ever listened to the israeli national anthem, it talks about the 2000 year long hope of the jewish people to be a free people in their own land.
But what does it mean to be free? According to the zionists, it means to create a jewish ethnostate. But why does that have to be freedom? Why can we only be free when we are in a land where we are the only ones with power? Can people not also be free sharing a land with others, who while different, share the same common goals and basic moral principles as we do?
And that's where the cynicism comes in. The zionists were so used to being treated awfully in Europe that they no longer trusted that they could be free in a land where they were the minority. Hence, rather than try to integrate into arab Palestine, they adopted plans and schemes to build their own state in the area, while displacing the palestinians.
They bought land from absentee landlords, and subsequently kicked out all of the arab tenants in that land(This would be considered a violation of civil rights in America and probably elsewhere). That's basically what happened in that viral clip of Yakov the israeli settler
They also used terrorism to make palestinians flee their lands, ultimately leading to them either being kicked out of the land altogether, or ghettoized in the West bank/gaza. And that's absolutely ironic, because ghettoization and expulsions were the very thing that europe did to jews for centuries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ghettos_in_Europe
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/202...a-ghetto/0000017f-e3c9-d9aa-afff-fbd955d20000
To end the attack on titan comparison, its basically hurting others in the same way you were hurt
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As to what can be done about this? I have no fucking clue. I feel like its on the onus of the western countries, all of whom support Israel for their own geopolitical reasons, to hold Israel accountable for its shitty actions. I think that's the only way things will ever change. Yet even that seems so far away, as at least in America, the government has become more and more right wing in a way that mirrors Israel's own government.
At the very least, if/when I have kids, I'll teach them not to blindly support Israel. I'll teach them about the real history of what happened, rather than the sanitized narrative that is common in American education. I think that's the least any of us can really do.
It's the Eren Yeager mentality.
I've noticed, even within my own community, that there exists this sentiment of jewish cynicism. The idea that everyone either hates jews or are indifferent to the lives of jewish people. That nobody cares about us or our lives and hence the only people we can rely on for our own freedom and security is ourselves.
"I don't think muslims will ever truly accept us" - a friend of mine
No doubt this mentality was created through centuries of European antisemitism. From expulsions to ghettoization and pogroms. Ultimately culminating in the Holocaust, the genocide of 6 million European jews.
"Everyone is our enemy, therefore we need to do whatever it takes to free our people, even if that means acting exactly like our enemy"
It's becoming the titan to fight the titans.
I think the walls in this scene are an allegory for power and oppression.
being trapped within the walls = oppressed peoples
seeing beyond the walls = becoming the oppressor
The reason why Eren conflates this with freedom is that when you are at the top, there is nobody above you who can take away your freedom.
And I feel like that is the nationalist version of freedom. It is the zionist version of freedom.
If you've ever listened to the israeli national anthem, it talks about the 2000 year long hope of the jewish people to be a free people in their own land.
But what does it mean to be free? According to the zionists, it means to create a jewish ethnostate. But why does that have to be freedom? Why can we only be free when we are in a land where we are the only ones with power? Can people not also be free sharing a land with others, who while different, share the same common goals and basic moral principles as we do?
And that's where the cynicism comes in. The zionists were so used to being treated awfully in Europe that they no longer trusted that they could be free in a land where they were the minority. Hence, rather than try to integrate into arab Palestine, they adopted plans and schemes to build their own state in the area, while displacing the palestinians.
They bought land from absentee landlords, and subsequently kicked out all of the arab tenants in that land(This would be considered a violation of civil rights in America and probably elsewhere). That's basically what happened in that viral clip of Yakov the israeli settler
They also used terrorism to make palestinians flee their lands, ultimately leading to them either being kicked out of the land altogether, or ghettoized in the West bank/gaza. And that's absolutely ironic, because ghettoization and expulsions were the very thing that europe did to jews for centuries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ghettos_in_Europe
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/202...a-ghetto/0000017f-e3c9-d9aa-afff-fbd955d20000
To end the attack on titan comparison, its basically hurting others in the same way you were hurt
As to what can be done about this? I have no fucking clue. I feel like its on the onus of the western countries, all of whom support Israel for their own geopolitical reasons, to hold Israel accountable for its shitty actions. I think that's the only way things will ever change. Yet even that seems so far away, as at least in America, the government has become more and more right wing in a way that mirrors Israel's own government.
At the very least, if/when I have kids, I'll teach them not to blindly support Israel. I'll teach them about the real history of what happened, rather than the sanitized narrative that is common in American education. I think that's the least any of us can really do.
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Well... when certain people openly advocate for the genocide of them.... cant blame them
They are acting beyond self defense, as China said.
Well... when certain people openly advocate for the genocide of them.... cant blame them
They are acting beyond self defense, as China said.
I'm not sure about that anymore. I feel like Zionism has just prolonged jewish trauma by creating a scenario where the muslim world despises jews due to Israel, and the state is perpetually at war with the palestinians. Young kids turn 18 and they are required to go join the IDF because you never know when there'll be another terrorist attack or invasion of israel.
It creates a perpetual cycle of violence and trauma.
It creates a perpetual cycle of violence and trauma.
The worst religious aspect is A and B fighting when C jumps in to say "hey God gave them this land 2000 years ago, I seen it!" Insane.
I wish so desperately that it would steer away from this religious thing, but it's hard when any opinion to the contrary can get slandered as antisemitic. Yet all of us here at least shed one tear in learning about the Holocaust in school. Pretty much no one wants to be that way, and even when they do they'll typically STFU so they don't get destroyed publicly.
... And like, you can't even complain about that consequence because that's antisemitic too, even if we all know it and in some cases can argue it's warranted.
I wish so desperately that it would steer away from this religious thing, but it's hard when any opinion to the contrary can get slandered as antisemitic. Yet all of us here at least shed one tear in learning about the Holocaust in school. Pretty much no one wants to be that way, and even when they do they'll typically STFU so they don't get destroyed publicly.
... And like, you can't even complain about that consequence because that's antisemitic too, even if we all know it and in some cases can argue it's warranted.
The propaganda is so heavy that if you live in Israel or the west, you need to actively put effort into educating yourself about the situation.
I think I even called some of y'all antisemitic for being against Israel's "right to exist" before I actually did some reading into the topic.
But its so bad that on r/jewish, I've seen people slander the Jewish Voice for Peace as being "antisemitic".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Voice_for_Peace
https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/
JVP is literally a jewish org created by jews for jews to advocate against Zionism.
But the propaganda is so effective at identifying Israel and the jewish people as one and the same that people think you cannot criticize one without criticizing the other. Facts: Israel didn't exist before the 1940s.
I think I even called some of y'all antisemitic for being against Israel's "right to exist" before I actually did some reading into the topic.
But its so bad that on r/jewish, I've seen people slander the Jewish Voice for Peace as being "antisemitic".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Voice_for_Peace
https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/
JVP is literally a jewish org created by jews for jews to advocate against Zionism.
But the propaganda is so effective at identifying Israel and the jewish people as one and the same that people think you cannot criticize one without criticizing the other. Facts: Israel didn't exist before the 1940s.
Or, this is based on actual anti-jew ideology in islam
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Muslims despising jews doesnt mecessarily have anything to do with israel. Though it doesnt help obviously
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Yeah thats annoying, the inability of some peeps to make that distinction
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Muslims despising jews doesnt mecessarily have anything to do with israel. Though it doesnt help obviously
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Yeah thats annoying, the inability of some peeps to make that distinction
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...8c00000?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
I'm THAT close to call Israel a fascist state.
I'm THAT close to call Israel a fascist state.
I'm gonna ignore the religious bait and dig into this:
https://www.cjpme.org/fs_007
Because I don't want to lean into discrimination narratives when the Hebrew University founded in 1925 presented a loophole for illegal immigrants. Not gonna sit here and humor narratives like “land without a people, for a people without a land" isn't hazardous bullshit.
https://www.cjpme.org/fs_007
Because I don't want to lean into discrimination narratives when the Hebrew University founded in 1925 presented a loophole for illegal immigrants. Not gonna sit here and humor narratives like “land without a people, for a people without a land" isn't hazardous bullshit.