Palestinians are not taking out the Hamas,just like the Afghani are not taking out the Taliban.
Both country lived war and occupation and are not really in a state of peace, so of course they elected the wrong one. Its for those who have the power to permit to those country to create a proper gouvernment. Problem, we are doing the opposite.

Don't worry, the Taliban won't last long.
 
This is literally what they have been doing. Weakening Hamas by bombing their officials, supplies, rockets, war rooms, and invading when a lot of civilians evacuated
also,this should have been done like 30 years ago.I'm still trying to understand how they thought living under the thread of bombardment for so many years was acceptable.
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An Israeli woman who survived the Hamas assault on settlements near the Gaza boundary on 7 October says Israeli civilians were “undoubtedly” killed by their own security forces.

It happened when Israeli forces engaged in fierce gun battles with Palestinian fighters in Kibbutz Be’eri and fired indiscriminately at both the fighters and their Israeli prisoners.

“They eliminated everyone, including the hostages,” she told Israeli radio. “There was very, very heavy crossfire” and even tank shelling.

The woman, 44-year-old mother of three Yasmin Porat, said that prior to that, she and other civilians had been held by the Palestinians for several hours and treated “humanely.” She had fled the nearby “Nova” rave.

A recording of her interview, from the radio program Haboker Hazeh (“This Morning”) hosted by Aryeh Golan on state broadcaster Kan, has been circulating on social media.
link?
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Well this is why it's a heated topic.
Some people say it's collateral damage and part of war (and that hamas does this on purpose), and some are saying it's unacceptable
collateral damage that could be avoided is acceptable to you?
 
what do you expect me to say? it's not like Israel is saying the numbers are wrong
Many civilians are evacuated/evacuating but Hamas is undermining those efforts (and probably forced all those people in their houses to stay)

people are also doing their funeral services in Israel

People criticize this all the time, but give me a different way to fight a war where the enemy mixed itself with civilians.
Are you saying the army should just stand outside and not do anything? what are you suggesting?
Hamas stopping them from fleeing or they simply have nowhere to go? Or they simply dont want to go because it's their land?

What about your opinion on some videos of IDF talking about killing civilians as if it's their pleasure? Also judging by how impolite they act towards even kids on countless videos, they do seemingly have fun killing the civilians making Hamas as merely a cheap excuse to justify their bombing
 
In a situation where Israel is stil a colonizer and palestine under occupation and NO peace between the two states*****

Of course that in that situation the hamas will prevail. Its completely logical, the more you burn a house down, the angrier the owner will get bro..

The solution is to END the conflict first.

This means BRACE YOURSELF. And DON'T ATTACK.
Read Hamas chart,they want the liberation of Palestinian territory and that they will never surrender it to non-Muslims. They want Israel off the map,there is no dialogue with Hamas.
 
Hamas stopping them from fleeing or they simply have nowhere to go? Or they simply dont want to go because it's their land?

What about your opinion on some videos of IDF talking about killing civilians as if it's their pleasure? Also judging by how impolite they act towards even kids on countless videos, they do seemingly have fun killing the civilians making Hamas as merely a cheap excuse to justify their bombing
Hamas isn't stopping them from fleeing. Israel is literally blockading the routes they tell people to flee through and then bombing the trucks carrying women and children out. You can lie and say it's hamas but there are videos and satellite imagery showing the blockades are Israeli.
 
Hamas isn't stopping them from fleeing. Israel is literally blockading the routes they tell people to flee through and then bombing the trucks carrying women and children out. You can lie and say it's hamas but there are videos and satellite imagery showing the blockades are Israeli.
it would be nice to post these here,don't you think?it would enrich the debate imo
 
Both country lived war and occupation and are not really in a state of peace, so of course they elected the wrong one. Its for those who have the power to permit to those country to create a proper gouvernment. Problem, we are doing the opposite.

Don't worry, the Taliban won't last long.
You have no idea of what you are talking.Both Hamas,the taliban and any other similar terrorist organization do not care about democracy.
 
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Israel only bombed something early near the egypt border
the blockages are Hamas cars causing traffic for people driving south, now the egypt border is not being bombed by israel
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Hospital with supplies/hamas staff/etc, a military target
so they stayed on purpose to die after a warning
like come on
I'm skeptical of both sides,so whenever i hear these horror stories,i ask for a source.
 
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Read Hamas chart,they want the liberation of Palestinian territory and that they will never surrender it to non-Muslims. They want Israel off the map,there is no dialogue with Hamas.
Like all terrorist organisation, the Hamas is composed by young and naive people that enlisted because of their rage against Israel. Meaning that in a context were hamas in put under pressure by every party both international and national, then those people have the choice between sticking to their ideology and war or peace and getting out of the group before being imprisoned. This means that in a context of peace between Palestine and Israel, Hamas will lose not only its material but also its human ressources. Trust me, the young will flee and come back to their family once they see that they don't need to fight anymore.

The question is, what to do with the most radical ones that will remain ? Well, that's for Palestine to decide, not another country. They will be judged and brought to justice for their crimes and the Hamas will eventually dissapear.

But this means that we need PEACE first and EVERYTHING I mentionned above.
 
@JohnnyBme btw,any idea when the ground operation will start?
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I don't have a source outside that telegram message, but it connects to what he's saying:

So it's not just an empty hospital with the hospital manager and his kids, it says that it is used as a war room and a UAV storage AND that they shoot rockets from it. So it's a military target. And they asked them to leave.
I see.
 
Oh, look it's Mr. I Know Everything About Islam

Jews and muslims had coexisted, of course before some of them broke the peace treaty. Ottoman had the most jews at the time, even one of Saladin personal assistant was a jew. Quit talking out of your a**
I love it when these low effort arguments about Muslims being supposed to hate Jews arrise:

1. The known Muslim Khaliph, Adolf ibn Alois Hitler eradicated most of the Eruopean Jew population (6+ millions) guided by his Islamic extremism.

2. The Khalips of the Spanish Royalty performed an Inquisition and killed/forcefully converted/expelled the Jewish population out of Spain, guided by Qur'anic teachings again

3. Numerous Russian Emirs (like Khalip Alexander III ibn Alexander II) organized multiple pogroms of Jews

4. From before the time of Henry III ibn John, the Sultans of England have in various ways discriminated, segregated, expelled and or persecuted Jews in England and the United Kingdom

5. Here's the actions of known terrorist warlord, Ulysses S. Grant, regarding Jews he encountered during the Civil War:
Major General Ulysses S. Grant was influenced by these sentiments and issued General Order No. 11 expelling Jews from areas under his control in western Tennessee:

"The Jews, as a class violating every regulation of trade established by the Treasury Department and also department orders, are hereby expelled ... within twenty-four hours from the receipt of this order."​
That 24 hour order sounds very familiar to recent events in Palestine.
Antisemitism is still alive and well in the United Emirates of America where just recently a synagogue was shot up, probably also guided by Qur'anic teachings.



Let's however look at an example of an educated, well mannered, moral state leader and how he acted towards people of other faith's when in charge of the city of Jerusalem in particular.
Note that this man is not an extremist like the aforementioned people and countries, and employed logic and great political wisdom and common sense in his actions:



If this man, who was one of the closest people to prophet Muhammed pbuh did not rape, kill, behead, and otherwise disrespect any and all Jews he met and found in Jerusalem, then I would kindly ask all the quasy "I read all the rakah of the Qur'an" scholars to stop lying to themselves to justify the war crimes of the state of Israel
 
Like all terrorist organisation, the Hamas is composed by young and naive people that enlisted because of their rage against Israel. Meaning that in a context were hamas in put under pressure by every party both international and national, then those people have the choice between sticking to their ideology and war or peace and getting out of the group before being imprisoned. This means that in a context of peace between Palestine and Israel, Hamas will lose not also its material but only its human ressources. Trust me, the young will flee and come back to their family once they see that they don't need to fight anymore.

The question is, what to do with the most radical ones that will remain ? Well, that's for Palestine to decide, not another country. They will be judged and brought to justice for their crimes and the Hamas will eventually dissapear.

But this means that we need PEACE first and EVERYTHING I mentionned above.
No,wrong.Hamas is financed by people all over the Arab world.There is also the problem of Jihad,many of them view this a holy wars of sorts.Many are willing to fight and lose their lives over the lost territory that is now know as Israel.The ARABS will not back down by themselves.What needs to happen is other big players like Saudi Arabia and the USA intervened and force them to sign a two state deal.
 
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No,wrong.Hamas is financed by people all over the Arab world.There is also the problem of Jihad,many of them view this a holy wars of sorts.Many are willing to fight and lose their lives over the lost territory that is now know as Israel.The ARABS will not back down,by themselves.What needs to happen is other big players like Saudi Arabia and the USA intervened and force them to sign a two state deal.
That's what I mentionned here:


If Palestinian haven't taken down the Hamas by themself by now, have the International commitee put sanctions on the Palestinian gov to put an end to this group.
 
I love it when these low effort arguments about Muslims being supposed to hate Jews arrise:

1. The known Muslim Khaliph, Adolf ibn Alois Hitler eradicated most of the Eruopean Jew population (6+ millions) guided by his Islamic extremism.

2. The Khalips of the Spanish Royalty performed an Inquisition and killed/forcefully converted/expelled the Jewish population out of Spain, guided by Qur'anic teachings again

3. Numerous Russian Emirs (like Khalip Alexander III ibn Alexander II) organized multiple pogroms of Jews

4. From before the time of Henry III ibn John, the Sultans of England have in various ways discriminated, segregated, expelled and or persecuted Jews in England and the United Kingdom

5. Here's the actions of known terrorist warlord, Ulysses S. Grant, regarding Jews he encountered during the Civil War:
Major General Ulysses S. Grant was influenced by these sentiments and issued General Order No. 11 expelling Jews from areas under his control in western Tennessee:

"The Jews, as a class violating every regulation of trade established by the Treasury Department and also department orders, are hereby expelled ... within twenty-four hours from the receipt of this order."​
That 24 hour order sounds very familiar to recent events in Palestine.
Antisemitism is still alive and well in the United Emirates of America where just recently a synagogue was shot up, probably also guided by Qur'anic teachings.



Let's however look at an example of an educated, well mannered, moral state leader and how he acted towards people of other faith's when in charge of the city of Jerusalem in particular.
Note that this man is not an extremist like the aforementioned people and countries, and employed logic and great political wisdom and common sense in his actions:



If this man, who was one of the closest people to prophet Muhammed pbuh did not rape, kill, behead, and otherwise disrespect any and all Jews he met and found in Jerusalem, then I would kindly ask all the quasy "I read all the rakah of the Qur'an" scholars to stop lying to themselves to justify the war crimes of the state of Israel
Great post.Well humored too.
 
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