Controversial General Political Discussion

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I love it when these low effort arguments about Muslims being supposed to hate Jews arrise:

1. The known Muslim Khaliph, Adolf ibn Alois Hitler eradicated most of the Eruopean Jew population (6+ millions) guided by his Islamic extremism.

2. The Khalips of the Spanish Royalty performed an Inquisition and killed/forcefully converted/expelled the Jewish population out of Spain, guided by Qur'anic teachings again

3. Numerous Russian Emirs (like Khalip Alexander III ibn Alexander II) organized multiple pogroms of Jews

4. From before the time of Henry III ibn John, the Sultans of England have in various ways discriminated, segregated, expelled and or persecuted Jews in England and the United Kingdom

5. Here's the actions of known terrorist warlord, Ulysses S. Grant, regarding Jews he encountered during the Civil War:
Major General Ulysses S. Grant was influenced by these sentiments and issued General Order No. 11 expelling Jews from areas under his control in western Tennessee:

"The Jews, as a class violating every regulation of trade established by the Treasury Department and also department orders, are hereby expelled ... within twenty-four hours from the receipt of this order."​

That 24 hour order sounds very familiar to recent events in Palestine.
Antisemitism is still alive and well in the United Emirates of America where just recently a synagogue was shot up, probably also guided by Qur'anic teachings.



Let's however look at an example of an educated, well mannered, moral state leader and how he acted towards people of other faith's when in charge of the city of Jerusalem in particular.
Note that this man is not an extremist like the aforementioned people and countries, and employed logic and great political wisdom and common sense in his actions:

If this man, who was one of the closest people to prophet Muhammed pbuh did not rape, kill, behead, and otherwise disrespect any and all Jews he met and found in Jerusalem, then I would kindly ask all the quasy "I read all the rakah of the Qur'an" scholars to stop lying to themselves to justify the war crimes of the state of Israel

Nicely put, Adolf ibn Alois Hitler literally made me laugh lmao

 

[NAMELESS]

I don't know.
The original 24 hours are already way past. It's more than 48 hours now (so we're generous with the evacuation).
There was a thunderstorm in the weekend that delayed it. It's really been slow.
I think tomorrow/2 days honestly.

They now released a lot of combat soldiers from military jail, so I think that's a strong sign. (not ones who did criminal offenses, I'm not sure what these soldiers did)

probably minor offenses like insubordination and stuff like that.yeah,sending criminal to war would be a bad sign lol

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

You thought they will?
They really see each other arc Nemesis to each other

Did you watch the time stamp? ISRAEL'S army doesn't care about ISRAELI citizens held as hostages in Gaza.
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I love it when these low effort arguments about Muslims being supposed to hate Jews arrise:

1. The known Muslim Khaliph, Adolf ibn Alois Hitler eradicated most of the Eruopean Jew population (6+ millions) guided by his Islamic extremism.

2. The Khalips of the Spanish Royalty performed an Inquisition and killed/forcefully converted/expelled the Jewish population out of Spain, guided by Qur'anic teachings again

3. Numerous Russian Emirs (like Khalip Alexander III ibn Alexander II) organized multiple pogroms of Jews

4. From before the time of Henry III ibn John, the Sultans of England have in various ways discriminated, segregated, expelled and or persecuted Jews in England and the United Kingdom

5. Here's the actions of known terrorist warlord, Ulysses S. Grant, regarding Jews he encountered during the Civil War:
Major General Ulysses S. Grant was influenced by these sentiments and issued General Order No. 11 expelling Jews from areas under his control in western Tennessee:

"The Jews, as a class violating every regulation of trade established by the Treasury Department and also department orders, are hereby expelled ... within twenty-four hours from the receipt of this order."​

That 24 hour order sounds very familiar to recent events in Palestine.
Antisemitism is still alive and well in the United Emirates of America where just recently a synagogue was shot up, probably also guided by Qur'anic teachings.



Let's however look at an example of an educated, well mannered, moral state leader and how he acted towards people of other faith's when in charge of the city of Jerusalem in particular.
Note that this man is not an extremist like the aforementioned people and countries, and employed logic and great political wisdom and common sense in his actions:

If this man, who was one of the closest people to prophet Muhammed pbuh did not rape, kill, behead, and otherwise disrespect any and all Jews he met and found in Jerusalem, then I would kindly ask all the quasy "I read all the rakah of the Qur'an" scholars to stop lying to themselves to justify the war crimes of the state of Israel

The names lmao

 

[Logiko]

@Monkey D Al here you go

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

Israel only bombed something early near the egypt border
the blockages are Hamas cars causing traffic for people driving south, now the egypt border is not being bombed by israel
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Hospital with supplies/hamas staff/etc, a military target
so they stayed on purpose to die after a warning
like come on

Oh yeah let's evacuate and unplug all these people on life support in 3 hours so Israel can bomb the hospital where no combatants are. This is deranged lol

 

[NAMELESS]

That's what I mentionned here:

ohhh my god,the Palestinians do not have the MILITARY means to take out HAMAS.

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

I don't have a source outside that telegram message, but it connects to what he's saying:

So it's not just an empty hospital with the hospital manager and his kids, it says that it is used as a war room and a UAV storage AND that they shoot rockets from it. So it's a military target. And they asked them to leave.

Israel will bomb a childs wagon carrying two babies in it and say that was a terror wagon with artillery capabilities

 

[Logiko]

ohhh my god,the Palestinians do not have the MILITARY means to take out HAMAS.

Not right now, its not about now, its about the future.

 

[Midnight Delight]

Not right now, its not about now, its about the future.

Nablus practically has no influence in Gaza

Even historically they are different cultures, with Nablus being "Syrian" and Gaza being "Sinai" which is why

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

@Monkey D Al Here, you wanted to be tagged [automerge]1697461604[/automerge]

No, nobody knows what is the alternative. Tell me. Not retaliate against Hamas? not target their supplies and officials?

How do you call the bombing of their own hostages? Is this still 'retaliation' to you?

 

[Cruxroux]

Did you watch the time stamp? ISRAEL'S army doesn't care about ISRAELI citizens held as hostages in Gaza.

Israel got the chance to strike without looking bad to the world for once. You think they are gonna miss the opportunity?
European power and Israel will level their grounds.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Hostages might have already died as casualties in the bombings.
The retaliation is against Hamas. I don't think it's realistic that they would worry about the hostages, it's too complicated and there are too many hostages, they simply can't.
Of course they're gonna try but I don't think they'll be more careful because of them, you can't make a serious ground entry like that (most of the hostages are as good as dead, thinking objectively about the situation)

Then why are they even attacking Hamas if they don't care about THEIR OWN CITIZENS ?

Those were special police force. And they did care it was simply when this was starting and no one had any idea what was happening, there was chaos and crossfire

Dude your posts are pure mental gymnastics at this point.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

this is not an official opinion, just what I think.
because this is war and you gotta do it. if you care too much about the hostages the soldiers wouldn't be able to do their job. What mental gymnastics? I'm just looking at it from a realistic cold hearted POV.

You must have scored 100/100 points in your propaganda exam, congratulations 👏👏👏.
Your government is very proud of you.

 

[Cruxroux]

You must have scored 100/100 points in your propaganda exam, congratulations 👏👏👏.
Your government is very proud of you.

Spoiler: can't go against government when they look like this

 

[Toby D. Dog]

this is not an official opinion, just what I think.
because this is war and you gotta do it. if you care too much about the hostages the soldiers wouldn't be able to do their job. What mental gymnastics? I'm just looking at it from a realistic cold hearted POV.

When it's all set and done I hope you'll magically grow a fucking conscience so that you can never get a blink of sleep ever again. This is some disgusting ass shit, people like you don't have a right to complain about terrorism and the murder of innocents when you excuse and support the same exact shit.

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive

The full text of directive has never been published and until 2003 Israeli military censorship even forbade any discussion of the subject in the press. The directive has been changed several times. At one time the formulation was that "the kidnapping must be stopped by all means, even at the price of striking and harming our own forces."[2]

The Hannibal directive has, at times, apparently existed in two different versions, one top-secret written version, accessible only to the upper echelon of the IDF, and one "oral law" version for division commanders and lower levels. In the latter versions, "by all means" was often interpreted literally, as in "an IDF soldier was "better dead than abducted". In 2011, IDF Chief of Staff Benny Gantz stated the directive does not permit killing IDF soldiers.[3]

The Hannibal directive has not prevented the capture of a single Israeli soldier.[4]

 

[Cruxroux]

you live in some lalaland where all hostages are safely returned and you wage the perfect war with no casualties

israel actually cares too much for it's hostages in the past

You don't wanna bring up his country history

 

[Toby D. Dog]

I'm just being realistic brother. this has nothing to do with my conscience or my feelings

Don't call me brother, the blood of those children is on your hands for supporting this shit.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

you live in some lalaland where all hostages are safely returned and you wage the perfect war with no casualties

israel actually cares too much for it's hostages in the past

Serious question: what would happen if Israel stopped bombing Gaza? How would Hamas respond?

 

[Toby D. Dog]

you gotta relax, I don't get why you're making it personal

Regardless of whether this is personal or not it is 100% true. Their deaths are on you and those in your country that support this shit.