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You have wrong idea about my faith.
You are not a religious expert. Have you read Quran yourself?
This is one verse from top of my head:
If the enemy is inclined towards peace, make peace with them. And put your trust in Allah. Indeed, He ˹alone˺ is the All-Hearing, All-Knowing.
8:61
https://quran.com/en/al-anfal/61
What you guys do is, take one verse and write a book on it. Why dont you take other verses into account?
You are not a religious expert. Have you read Quran yourself?
This is one verse from top of my head:
If the enemy is inclined towards peace, make peace with them. And put your trust in Allah. Indeed, He ˹alone˺ is the All-Hearing, All-Knowing.
8:61
https://quran.com/en/al-anfal/61
What you guys do is, take one verse and write a book on it. Why dont you take other verses into account?
Ignorant people don't realize that the Qur'an wasn't revealed in one day, but over the course of 23 years - and more importantly - in the context of the adversities the Muslims faced at the time.
But then again, this is religious doctrine and has no place in a politics thread where the average user isn't even aware of their own religious scriptures.
@AL sama if religious debate is allowed, a separate thread should be made for it with explicit ruling that it should stay within that thread
But then again, this is religious doctrine and has no place in a politics thread where the average user isn't even aware of their own religious scriptures.
@AL sama if religious debate is allowed, a separate thread should be made for it with explicit ruling that it should stay within that thread
Zenos, please stay away from these topics.
You are not an intellectual.
You dont want to listen to others, you have just heard about few verses and drawing inferences from them.
The interpretation of Quran is a complex matter and even the Imams have differences when it comes to explanations. That's why they say it is not ok to take one verse and act on it, you need to verify it from other verses, instances, Ahadees, and such.
You dont understand 1% of Islam and Quran.
I will leave it at this.
Thanks
You are not an intellectual.
You dont want to listen to others, you have just heard about few verses and drawing inferences from them.
The interpretation of Quran is a complex matter and even the Imams have differences when it comes to explanations. That's why they say it is not ok to take one verse and act on it, you need to verify it from other verses, instances, Ahadees, and such.
You dont understand 1% of Islam and Quran.
I will leave it at this.
Thanks
Yes, it was revealed over the course of a warlord's life to the shifting needs of his war.
I have read the Qu'ran twice, cover to cover, two separate translations. Can you say the same?
The concept of peace, in this context, is submission with the way of Islam. There is no prescriptive form of peace, as that is left subjective. Oft or not, peace can only be attained through submission and conversion.
"Christians and Jews (who believe in only part of the Scripture), will suffer in this life and go to hell after death. (Quran 2:85)"
"Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (Quran 2:191)"
I am by far not a religious expert, but I am not ignorant of your faith.
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When one who is governed by religion, and makes their political opinions based on their religion, then critiquing the religion that underpins their political decisions and opinions becomes a necessity.
None the less, I am not actually an atheist-- so that, in of itself, is an interesting assertion.
I have read the Qu'ran twice, cover to cover, two separate translations. Can you say the same?
The concept of peace, in this context, is submission with the way of Islam. There is no prescriptive form of peace, as that is left subjective. Oft or not, peace can only be attained through submission and conversion.
"Christians and Jews (who believe in only part of the Scripture), will suffer in this life and go to hell after death. (Quran 2:85)"
"Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (Quran 2:191)"
I am by far not a religious expert, but I am not ignorant of your faith.
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When one who is governed by religion, and makes their political opinions based on their religion, then critiquing the religion that underpins their political decisions and opinions becomes a necessity.
None the less, I am not actually an atheist-- so that, in of itself, is an interesting assertion.
I was speaking in general, quoting someone else. Frankly the "I'm kinda this sort of that" thing doesn't interest me. If you say "your faith" then you are someone not of that faith, that's all. The most pointless thing is to debate a faith that someone doesn't have.
As far as governing goes, clearly, there isn't one belief. Iran is different from Morocco, Morocco is different from Algeria, Algeria is different from Turkey, and many Jews abroad don't necessarily support the IDF. The US is largely Christian with a Catholic president and yet we have legal same sex marriage for one thing. So faith doesn't matter in politics unless you just want to blame it for something.
And yet we're one of the most liberal countries, if not the most, in the world.
As far as governing goes, clearly, there isn't one belief. Iran is different from Morocco, Morocco is different from Algeria, Algeria is different from Turkey, and many Jews abroad don't necessarily support the IDF. The US is largely Christian with a Catholic president and yet we have legal same sex marriage for one thing. So faith doesn't matter in politics unless you just want to blame it for something.
And yet we're one of the most liberal countries, if not the most, in the world.
Lol all you want, but I have committed time to theological study as well as the academic. Islam portrays itself as the religion of peace, but it is peace through war and conversion. It is peace through compulsion. It is antithetical to democracy.
All the peaceful verses you can quote are easily countered by verses that encourage violence against those who do not believe or violate the scripture.
Much like it takes years to build something but seconds to destroy it, years of peace can be nullified by one act of heinous violence. Islam cannot be the religion of peace if it ever endorses the opposite: and it does.
I have quote the last part in a previous comment. But yes, it was his way of asserting authority depending on his needs at the time.
All the peaceful verses you can quote are easily countered by verses that encourage violence against those who do not believe or violate the scripture.
Much like it takes years to build something but seconds to destroy it, years of peace can be nullified by one act of heinous violence. Islam cannot be the religion of peace if it ever endorses the opposite: and it does.
I have quote the last part in a previous comment. But yes, it was his way of asserting authority depending on his needs at the time.
Baseless assumptions. Im actually well educated on this lol. Im not even voicing my own opinions, im describing what mainstream sunni islam teaches, based on mainstream sahih hadith and tafsirs. And the tafsirs usually dont align with the mental gymnastics of people like you who try to pretend there are no problematic teachings, whether that be about violence/war or straight scientific errors lmao.
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