Nop. Not even a teacher. A teacher has superiory over education. This means that the teacher the one that is able to deliver knowledge in school. it doesn't mean that they are superior to the studients in any ways.
I can't understand it in the first place..
We were talking about misandry, not sexism.
Beside extremely rare cases of radical extremist, no women think that men are inferior. Even those who say "men are trash" (and I know them trust me, they actually love decent men)
But yes, women can be sexist toward men and reproduce the expectation of masculinity toward men and become violent because of that.
But if you want to fight that, you need to fight patriarchy with me mate.
People calls you an incel not because you speak on men's issues but because you are using incel rethoric to deligitimize women and their struggle. People recognize that women have a harder time than men, even those who denies patriarchy and you are denying that.
Trust me, if you were just talking about the issues that men are facing without putting down women in the process, you would be heard loud and clear, even by leftist like me. More in fact than women, because we all still have a sexist bias. We tend to listen to men more and give them more credit than women.
I think you are missing who is radicalizing who right now.. because you might not notice it, but if we do nothing.. in a few years, we will live with real fascist government in powers in the world.
A little look at the number of people who are against the simple notion of change and leftism here and some pro crypto fascist content should give you a little idea of the problem..
You are not just disagreeing with me, you are defending a far right government that commits genocide.
I don't think you really understand what leftism is lol
Which means that you denies the genocide of some of your ancestors... sweet.
Yes indeed. French also killed the natives in north america if I'm not mistaken. Spanish and Portuguese killed the natives in south america. Starting with the island of Guanahani and the Taino nation, and their brave people who, because they rebel against forced labors and bad treatment of the men of Colombus, started to resist and were exterminate for it. This was the beginning of the genocide of America that killed 70 Million of people (through killing but also through the development of diseases brought by colonizers).
And you are denying that. You, a brazilian with native blood.
Russia is a far right state. You know that, right ?
Tell me that you know that..
The liberal and apolitical.. seeing the world as a fantasy were colorblindness is progress and where women have equal right...
And when presented opposite scientific proofs.. Ignores it.. Don't exist.. can't exist.
Well.. if you are talking to racist, homophobes and terf then yes.. that's quite a problem as a leftist....
Or maybe you consider that those "labels" don't designate any real ideologies ??
Well.. that's new ! Go tell women that! I'm sure they will be pleased to here the good news..
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/03/01/gender-pay-gap-facts/
"i agree with pretty much every single left idea you can think off" Yeah sure...
Mainly because what is often criticized are not the stories, but the "wokeness". So yes, they will defend themself with the same argument. That's just logic.
Tell them that they don't write good stories and maybe you will see some changes.
Because he use mygoginist arguments in the first place. If those fragile people (
because let's be honest, you are talking here about someone that lives in a situation ten times worse than mine that didn't had a date in multiple years, is unable to eat and live properly and has a mental health problem that keeps then from doing anything, so someone with an extremally hard life that only relies on their precious franchise and can't be sexist at all) were making statement about the story more than the wokeness of those shows, maybe they would get a better feedback.
Somehow.. its people with "extremely fragile environments" that becomes radicalized in mysoginy..... or is it ?
See, Its the left who is creating monster, and
not at all people who share philosophers like andrew tates or Matt walsh...
"Leftist as taken over institution.. and if you can see ultra liberalism everywhere... its because of leftism."
*big brain mode*
Where ? I want to watch those kind of shows !! It would be a nice change for once !
Van.. "the socialist"
And you didn't pay enough attention.
I never called you a right wing conservative. What I told you is that what you like is the vision of right wing conservatist HAVE on leftist. Do you understand the difference ? Let me explain it for you:
Conservatives have a fantasmed vision of the left. In reality, this vision is what conservative wishes to be. Its the vision of complete morality. For us, if we are from the left, we must be COMPLETELY moral... but here comes the contradictions. The left must be moral only by their standards.
Over times, those standards evolved, became more progressive, but there is still a gap between the way the left should be in conservative minds and what the left really is. For example, even the large majority of conservative agrees that people should be equal... So when they see the left fight the status co, they don't understand and therefore reject it.
The reality is that the same thing that happens to conservative happens also to leftist. To a much bigger scale. When you are young, you will most likely follow the teaching of your environment. So in our current society, if you have a huge economic and cultural capital, there are high chances that you end up on the liberal side of the political spectrum, if your are raised in the middle classe and your environment is close to conservatives, you will most likely end up conservative, and as such if you are raised in a more progressist or a less priviledged environment, chances are that you will end up on the more social side.
But that's where it gets tricky.. because when you are raised in an average environment/middle class, chances are that you will most likely find yourself educated in public and more progressive environment.. Which means that the majority of young people of the middle class/average environment will follow progressive ideas at first. They might even consider themself leftist for quite a while during their young life (school/college/university etc..), but at one point... something will change. Suddenly, they won't recognize themself into leftism anymore... they will still agrees with progressive ideas.. of course.. but they will start to see woke people and ultra feminist and leftist militant as a problem (
tell me, do you recognize yourself in this current description ?) and you know what ? This is perfectly logical.
Do you want to know why ? The answer is that:
The average class is not really "average", its a priviledged class.
When you come from the middle classes, chances are that you will most likely have already a good cultural, social and economic capital. This means that when you come from the middle class (and upper middle class), you will most likely not be raised into a environment were you need to fight to survive, you will also have had access to a certain number of sportive and cultural activities that created a strong group of people with the same cultural capital as yourself. In short, it means that you will have already existing tools to succeed in society that lower classes don't.
The point is that leftism has risen from the fights and battles of the lower classes, the workers in field of labors. Of course those fight are extremelly progressive.. but they are something more.. something you can't really understand when you come from a class of priviledge:
They are against the status co. and the structures of power in our societies.
Meaning that when you are a leftist, you will actually and most likely have to fight AGAINST priviledged people that comes ALSO from the middle classes and people that are said to have "normal lives". You won't fight them because they are in power, you will fight them because they are the ones that elect and create the power that allows upper classes to strive. The middle class is the one thing that allows capitalism to survive and also all the structure of dominations that comes with it (systemic racism / patriarchy etc..)
The reality is that when you are living a priviledged life, there is no reason to wish for the end of capitalism or the end of liberalism.
So when leftist that were raised in "average" environement or the middle class start to see radical feminism speaking about the problem of Patriarchy, when they see the anger in the eyes of those women or other minorities like black people or when they see woke people trying to create a more radical leftist system... then there are no reasons for those leftist to recognize themself into leftism anymore ...
So suddenly, radical feminist will be "causing trouble to their own causes", people manifesting, even violently will be "radical revolutionnist that don't understand leftism", and those who raises their voice too loud one social media against other leftists that find them to "angry" will be seen as the silly woke of the internet..
Look at me.. I'm a woke.
Maybe you don't recognize yourself in this description, maybe you do. There are always exceptions to the rules. The point is that the hate for wokism is nourrished by those who have a fantasmed vision of what progressism and leftism should be...
The vision of priviledged people.
Priviledged people can't understand why women say "men are trash"
Priviledged people can't understand why we want the end of capitalism
They can't... until they can.
Because spoiler: I come from the middle class. I come from a background of priviledge. I have a big cultural capital, I have a correct social capital and I have a big economic capital as well (even now when I don't have enough to live properly and barely enough to get two meal per days).
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The difference between "leftist" who left leftism and me.. is that I played the Yoyo with my political leaning. First I indeed became a progressist, but then during my studient years. But because of an enormous ego, my love for rationnalization and science, my dreams of fantastic realities and my obsession with doubts... I spead up the process of radicalization. And like any person that want to find something and are doubting of everything without proper critical thinking tools, I felt hard into complotism. So much that it even touched antisemitism and far right theories (I wasn't aware of that of course at the time).
I dove right in into pro-liberatarian and liberal ideologies.. It was all about the notion of self improvement and entire freedrom. And because I was also a fan of One Piece, its was the notion that I would never abandon my goals.
What I didn't notice, is that I had a sleeping mental illness. This is not what made me a complotist, but that what started to isolate me at the end of my studient years.. And the more I fought.. to gain motivation, to create project.. the less I could do. Until I was unable to do anything else that be here and stay on a computer. So many years trying to create.. and the incapacity to do so. So I first became very angry.. I radicalized myself a bit more... Hating religions, hating radical feminists, oh boi I hated what we called SJW at the time even tho I was still rooting for progressive ideas ... But still, I couldn't do a thing.
When you have an enormous ambition, an enormous ego, an enormous amount of toxicity in you and your mind and body just.. do nothing..
It humbles you. You are not the kid who can accomplish anything anymore, you are just a guys.. a random guys.. that just discovered that wanting something is not enough to do it. You learn that free will is a myth and it completely destroys ALL your vision of life. You go through depression added to a mental condition with new difficulties in life. Everyone is trying to make you move... but the more they try, the more less you can move and it makes them angry, very angry.. and suddenly, the environment that was a priviledge for you becomes hostile.
But you love One Piece, its what partially raised you.. It taught you to never give up. So, because you love self improvment methods, you will start to try to improve yourself.. the body won't follow, but the mind maybe can... maybe you can joggle with the illusion of free will.. Maybe there is something wrong with your way of thinking.. So you try and start to change.. you discover the displine of critical thinking. And you start to see the hostile environment as it is.. a bunch of fallacious invectives and intellectual lazyness.. the power, the institutions that invective you to move when you just can't.. are also part of your problem..
You start to listen to people who are going through similar difficulties themself.. and you start to notice.. those people aren't heard either. Just like you.. they face the same difficulties in front of society. But you dive deeper.. there are people who face even more difficulties than yourself. People are also ill, like you. But those people also facing financial and administrative difficulties as well when you.. you are just here in your parent's room.. safe.
Its there that you start to understand the concept of priviledge. Your liberal way of thinking is not sufficient anymore. And you start to see how those priviledge are not only applied to living conditions, but gender and ethnicities as well.. So you start to listen...
really listen for once those radical leftist that you once laughed at. Because you have a background in critical thinking, you will try to understand the thinking method behind the sayings of woke women and their "men are trash".. you start to understand the premiss of patriarchy, you keep listening and because you love science... you start to see if their arguments are based on researches...
But why ? Why did you fail to see this ? You love science, right ? You love critical thinking, right ? So why is that ?
The answer will comes through a discussion on twitter. You started following strong politically left leaning and pro scientific persons to understand their thinking.. and suddenly, they are criticizing the one guys that works on a critical thinking channel that help you change and understand you environement better.. Big WTF !?! What is happening ? Why are those people - who promote the scientific approach and their love for science - suddenly attacking someone who promotes critical thinking ?
And one words pops out. A words that you have heard before without paying too much attention as it sounded like some cultist stuff:
Sociology.
You listen and you understand that this guy who promotes critical thinking wrote an article on a person (that you didn't care to read) refuting the existence of their mental illness (because they didn't made enough researches to know its existence) and shared their name making it accessible to anyone who wanted to debunk it..
You suddenly see all the leftist you follow and political account rise up against this guys.. who is still trying to refute the affair. And is starting to denounce what he call "sceptics of sceptics".. In an article where he deounces the methods of political militants and a place were science should stay apolitical...
And you see rising a critic of those leftist. You start to see people you once followed because of their critical thinking method.. speaking about woke people.. the same way you were speaking about SJW at the time before diving into critical thinking.. Those same people that you are starting to understand. And you read the conversation of the leftists you follow about this affair.. you understand that those people who you followed once.. actually never cared to take a look at more political and social side of science... and you discover it once more:
Something you have never heard of before really, something you consider a sectary discipline. Not even with your love of science and critical thinking did you take a look at this... you start to discover that there is an entire scientific discipline that is aimed at understanding social behaviors.
Sociology..
So you start to learn, read the articles, understand the vulgarized video.. and everything suddenly clicks.
Everything, from your fall into complotism, to the hostility you recieve because of your mental illness, to the big WTF in front of bad takes of critical thinkers.. Its suddenly all make sence.
Its all about power.
The power we think we have, the power we want and the power we really have
Those critical thinkers did not ignore an entire scientific field of study because they didn't know.. they ignored it because this field of study explains the relationship of power and the importance of seeing science through a political lense..
So you start to notice that those critical thinkers were like you, priviledged. They came from a pretty good background, most of the time liberal. So its was logical for them not to question their own place into the society. But you did.. because you had to, to heal. To seak help, you had to question even your own environment and your place in society. You follow people who are fighting for people who are actually have no priviledges. Women, the lower class, minorities... You start to really understand the concept of progressism and the importance to fight those structure of domination that are standing in the way and that even people who you consider as educated are enabling..
Patriarchy, capitalism, liberalism systemic racism... those, you now know, must fall. And those who needs to be convinced are people like you. Average people. People from the middle class.
You know you are not special, that you are not "robin hood" or someone with the power to change society, you know full well that you are noone, that you made critical and deadly mistakes in your past and you won't forgive yourself for that.. You still can't draw, you still can't write, but you can type. And until you die after creating your dreams, you will never give up on progress for you or for others.
Even if all you got is a silly forum and a twitter account..
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So you can call me a silly leftist, a woke or a radical feminist, but don't you dare delegitimize what we are all fighting for.
