Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

Far right libertarians and AI techbros : "Society should adapt to AI" "we do not need regulations" "progress cannot be stopped"

Meanwhile in reality:

If you are a terrorist apologizer, yes.

Damn. the inhumanity...

You are one.

Wrong in reality I'm in the front line to denounce the war crimes of the organization. Why are you lying again ?

The ones that cause the suffering need to be accountable, the killing of innocent families is not accountability, you piece of shit.

Well, that's another report...
Indeed, killing families is not accountabilities its war crime and in some cases genocide. Judgment in front of international justice is accountability. Are you ok ?

The opinion of a loser that is know as a waste of space incapable of seeing beyond his own ass is so important.

wow...

If they are competent, they will find work

I'm competent for multiple work in and outside the artistic industry and still, I'm unable to work because of my mental situation. Wanting to find a job or work does not mean you can. Sometimes its not all about wanting to do things and its not as easy as "wanting do do things". Also, competence are not always enough to find a job. A lot of people are competent and unemployed.

If they are unable to appeal with their art, their art is shit.

No. Some amazing artists are sometimes not popular. Being good =/= popularity.

I doubt that you worked in as many jobs as I did

I do not care about your experience, I'm only looking at what you are saying. And what you are saying shows an ignorance of the reality of millions of workers.

Start working before calling people out.

The difference between me and you is that I defend workers. You, on the other hand, are sh*tting on them when they can't find work or are unable to find work. I'm not the problem here, you and you ultra capitalist and elitist vision are.

Society as a whole.

Society should adapt to people. People should not have to adapt to society.

some people and a bunch of abominations.

Wow... calling artists who don't want their work to be stolen "abominations" now...

Mate.. I hope for your sake that you don't cross road with those artists that you spit on or you are gonna have a bad day.

And if some people are stupid enough to be unable to do so, they need to search for other jobs.

I think you don't even understand what we are talking about

Doubtful. Unlike you, I already saw a industrial revolution and the end result is that those old professions faded out and the new ones took their place. People adapted.

Dude.. you should be careful not to underestimate the artistic industry lol. Because when I talk about artist, I'm not only talking about small or medium popular artists here, but the unity of both artist individual and leaders and IP owning compagnies such as Nintendo.. You should know that this type of society is very regarding concerning copyright laws.. Imagine what will happen if people start using their IP to create and profit ?

You are literally not ready bro.

Wrong. I see your vision as stupid and complete lacking in basic knowledge of reality. It was nothing to do with the argument itself. Again, attack the argument itself and not the person. I don't expect much from you but following basic directions should be possible.

I did both.

The argument is bullshit because it lacks basic awareness.

Sure, I'm the one calling for ethic in progress and I'm the one lacking "basic awareness"... And you can take yourself seriously after saying that ?

To claim that a society does not have ethics is the same as ignoring reality itsef

Did society had ethic when the atomic bomb was created ?
hm ??

This is just some bullshit that leftists think are profound but in the end is worthless shit. Like most of the things you say.

>>>

"PROGRESS IS INEVITABLE"

because of your stupid ideas that aren't rooted in anything besides fear of the unknow.

The fear of the unknown ? Coming from a pro capitalist libertarian and conservatist that is afraid of society ruled by anything more left that liberal people... allow me to laugh a little.

Chill bro.
I have a vision of AI and the future that you wouldn't even dare to imagine and believe possible. All I want is for humanity to take things slow to allow us to implement each tech ethically. If you are not capable of being a decent human being and if you can't wait for AI, go create a clone of internet and a new society in the middle of the sahara desert.. Create your own generative AI, train it on your own art and let people create a safe place to implement technology ethically in the world.
Thanks.

Apparently not since you want to put humans in a cage and regulate everything

I want to put human in cage ???
When did I transformed into a fascist ?
Man... I expect BS on this forum ... but you are really surpassing yourself.

your stupid ideas that aren't rooted in anything besides fear of the unknow

Saying the guy being afraid of people sharing social sciences..



Again, I have a vision of the future that you wouldn't even dare to imagine mate. Relax, you are out of your pond here.

Humanity don't need those pathetics beings like you.

Not dangerous and rethoric at all.
Careful, you are on the verge of being reported again...

You just dismiss anything that don't fit your point of view and try to get the high ground

Anakin...

he things that are failing society are mostly woke bullshit

Yeah.. tell that to yourself the day you will have to walk in boots, work in a prompt based propaganda factory and when you not saluting your flag will give you a long term vacation in the Alaska prison.

CAPITALISM o7

This is stupid alarmist. This happened before and will happen again.

Nop, this is just what will happen if million of people are forced in the streets mate... And since you are defending those who want to put them into the streets, you will have to face them on the front line..

Good luck with that

Lazy fuck ups that only know how to complain in twitter will not be revolutionaries.

Again, you are showing your ignorance if you think people who will be out of jobs because of AI are only on twitter...

Dude, I'm not working, I'm unable to quit my home and still, I'm willing to hurt myself to the end just to participate in the revolution for the end of capitalism if it happens..
You really are not aware of reality if you think people will just let you take away their life's work for the sake of progress and capitalism.

Nope. Alarmist tactic of a lazy fuck that is not willing to put the work to improve.

Oh but those people WILL put the work to improve. But it will be despite people like you.

Yeah. Threats of stupid fuck ups are not scary.

I'm not here to scare you mate.

 

[Herrera95]

the words of a child with 0 capability of forming a cohesive and coherent argument. Time to go to sleep, it's a school night.

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Many presidents didn't run for a 3rd term because George Washington set the standard for a 2-term limit by humbly rejecting a 3rd time. Going for anything more than 2 was seen as arrogant and greedy. Didn't stop Teddy from trying through lol

I personally disagree since I see governament as a company. It makes no sense for me to have a great CEO and then simply changed it because he already was CEO for 8 years (not necessarily straight). And you there can't even go for vice-president after that time.

Here in Brazil at least you can try again after not running for presidency once. So you can stay 8 years. Get out for 4. Stay more 8. And repete.
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Far right libertarians and AI techbros : "Society should adapt to AI" "we do not need regulations" "progress cannot be stopped"

Meanwhile in reality:

Nice sci fi fiction. What is the name of it? Where do I find it?

No one knows what AI will really bring to us unless it will make our life better. Oh it can be used to harm us too? Yes just like every technologycal and scientific advance that humanity has which leads to tools that can be used for farming and hunting animals or also to kill other humans. Which also create fire guns, bombs etc. Just like many of the technology advanced and build for military became into usefull tools used by civillians on their daily life.

Nowadays reality is that AI can't even make human like draws without adding a creepy third arm/hand or six finger.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

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I personally disagree since I see governament as a company. It makes no sense for me to have a great CEO and then simply changed it because he already was CEO for 8 years (not necessarily straight). And you there can't even go for vice-president after that time.

Here in Brazil at least you can try again after not running for presidency once. So you can stay 8 years. Get out for 4. Stay more 8. And repete.
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Nice sci fi fiction. What is the name of it? Where do I find it?

No one knows what AI will really bring to us unless it will make our life better. Oh it can be used to harm us too? Yes just like every technologycal and scientific advance that humanity has which leads to tools that can be used for farming and hunting animals or also to kill other humans. Which also create fire guns, bombs etc. Just like many of the technology advanced and build for military became into usefull tools used by civillians on their daily life.

Nowadays reality is that AI can't even make human like draws without adding a creepy third arm/hand or six finger.

Dude, you came in here, displayed your inability to write or read in English. Proved yourself incapable of making any sort of coherent argument, and your best retort was to say you’re my dad lmao. Retardation at its finest.

 

[Herrera95]

Dude, you came in here, displayed your inability to write or read in English. Proved yourself incapable of making any sort of coherent argument, and your best retort was to say you’re my dad lmao. Retardation at its finest.

Said the guy who argues by calling others a virgin.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Said the guy who argues by calling others a virgin.

I only brought it up cause you said you were the best at sex or some shit. It looks like you’re projecting since you’re the one that’s all butthurt about it. It was relevant for me to call you a virgin since you tried to pretend you’re something you’re not. Either way, you’re just a hateful little gremlin. You have a black and white view of the world and lack nuanced though.

You lack any sort of principled view or belief on anything, and your obvious lack of a moral compass compels you to justify the deaths of thousands just because you’ve deemed an entire group of people to be terrorists. Truly disgusting shit. You’re not only a cringelord, but also a bigot. How can you expect anyone who has even a shred of decency to not be disgusted by what you say in here?

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

How to not be attacked by armed "terrorists" 101:

1) don't occupy other people's land
2) don't treat them like shit on their own land
3) don't act like you own the place

It's really simple why do certain idiots fail regardless?

 

[Herrera95]

I only brought it up cause you said you were the best at sex or some shit. It looks like you’re projecting since you’re the one that’s all butthurt about it. It was relevant for me to call you a virgin since you tried to pretend you’re something you’re not. Either way, you’re just a hateful little gremlin. You have a black and white view of the world and lack nuanced though.

You lack any sort of principled view or belief on anything, and your obvious lack of a moral compass compels you to justify the deaths of thousands just because you’ve deemed an entire group of people to be terrorists. Truly disgusting shit. You’re not only a cringelord, but also a bigot. How can you expect anyone who has even a shred of decency to not be disgusted by what you say in here?

Ok have your cookies with milk and go sleep now

 

[Malakhith]

How to not be attacked by armed "terrorists" 101:

1) don't occupy other people's land
2) don't treat them like shit on their own land
3) don't act like you own the place

It's really simple why do certain idiots fail regardless?

Good to know that the kids in the rave did all that.
They sure deserved what they got!

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

oh, back to Latino cat fight

 

[Toby D. Dog]

How to not be attacked by armed "terrorists" 101:

1) don't occupy other people's land
2) don't treat them like shit on their own land
3) don't act like you own the place

It's really simple why do certain idiots fail regardless?

I won't sit here and pretend that hamas are saints or just freedom fighters. THey have committed acts of terrorism and should be held accountable. However, you gottta apply that same standard to those like Netanyahu or Ben Gvir. They are responsible for thousands of deaths and have stripped Israeli citizens from their ability to speak out against what's happening without having to fear for their safety.
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oh, back to Latino cat fight

That's a weird thing to say.
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Ok have your cookies with milk and go sleep now

Same goes for you. You have school tomorrow.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I won't sit here and pretend that hamas are saints or just freedom fighters.

I'm not doing that either. All I'm saying is action leads to reaction.

Good to know that the kids in the rave did all that.
They sure deserved what they got!

🤡

 

[Toby D. Dog]

'm not doing that either. All I'm saying is action leads to reaction.

I'm aware since I'm familiar with your stance in the matter. Others might not know.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I'm aware since I'm familiar with your stance in the matter. Others might not know.

The baiters currently posting here are well aware, they just pretend to be ignorant like their ilk always does

 

[Toby D. Dog]

The baiters currently posting here are well aware, they just pretend to be ignorant like their ilk always does

Hence why I point fingers at people like Lerrera or Shameless. they're the quintessential anti-liberal debate bro who only cares about "owning the libs" and being a serial contrarian.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Shameless

 

[Toby D. Dog]

I took a page out of Trump's book for that one.

 

[AL sama]

chill

 

[Logiko]

No one knows what AI will really bring to us unless it will make our life better.

That's technoscientism. A belief that technology can only bring good things. Its not based on fact. In reality it can do good as much as it can do very bad things.

Yes just like every technologycal and scientific advance that humanity has which leads to tools that can be used for farming and hunting animals or also to kill other humans. Which also create fire guns, bombs etc. Just like many of the technology advanced and build for military became into usefull tools used by civillians on their daily life.

I hope you understand that what is being talked about here, is literally something that can be created now:
- We have the technology to face track people
- We have the technology to create drone that can target specific goal
- We have drone that can kill

If some crazy country decides to hit the "start manufacturing button" for this BS, it will be operative in less than a year.

Nowadays reality is that AI can't even make human like draws without adding a creepy third arm/hand or six finger.

Simply because AI is not created to think, its created to copy and extrapolate, which is not an act of creativity.

Art is about understanding reality and how it work THEN to retranscribe it into a new form that must appeal to emotions.

When a tech bros type a prompt, he is not trying to understand how reality work and how it impacts our emotions and he will therefore be unable to understand if his final product will be able to create an impact in return. That's why to make art you need to be an artist and being an artist is not just painting beautiful pics, its understanding something about reality.

This is why the "art" you can see from AI is not really impactfull, it just look good, but that's just an illusion. The day you will see beautiful AI art, is the day true artist (and not just tech bro) will use the tech to enhance their OWN art. That day, you might see wonders because of AI, but its not soon.

Delusions of a alarmist that don't know a single thing about how the military operates and have to use hyperbole to save his **** job.

People who are telling you that Ai used in military and that AI could be used as a tool for mass destruction with clear precedent is "alarmist"now ?

Well.. if being an alarmist is telling you how dangerous it is to expect technological progress without ethic, then I'm an alarmist.

Ai is literally being used right now against human rights, if you can see that, then you might wanna check what happens in china.

Defending the killing of woman and children and being unapologetic about it. Waste of space.

No one is defending the killing of woman and children here mate. Relax.

Oh, personal attacks are bad now?

No, insults are. if you can't make the difference, there is a problem.

Like I said, there's way more ammunition against shit like you than the reverse.

I'm still waiting.

This is not a argument, animal.

Sorry, this is another report.

Me and my father had to sell trash to survive when I was young.

And now, you expect other people to do the same, just because you can't wait for progress to come. In my book, I call this a baby tantrum:

"I want my progress now, no matter the repercussions"

When men need to survive they will do what it takes and will accept everything

The thing you are not understanding here, is that there is no actual need right now to put millions of people into the streets because of AI. What we need is for a better system, better pays and the end of capitalism, we do not need AI right now. Only techBros and ultra libertarians like you who can't wait to play with their next AI toys (that they will mostly missunderstand) are urging for everyone to accept this right now.

If you job is to sell your art and your art is not liked enough to be sold, you are not competent.

And here comes the libertarian and liberal inhuman rethoric. But perhaps you are right, perhaps Van Gogh was not competent at all... perhaps you know better about art that he did...

LMAO, the ignorance of capitalists...

Nah, you stump work because you are not competent enough to survive in the industry and think everyone is like you.

Can you direct me to the work I "stumped" on please ?
Or are you just inventing things as you go ?

Maybe you should listen to actual artist instead of AI tech bro who call themself artist because they are good at making prompts..

Yes, animal. Think a little.

Damn, the more you call me "animal" the more I feel like you are hitting on me...

Yes. Do you even know what ethics is? For *** sake, open a **** book.

I do. Mate, don't worry about that.

It was not even the creation of the bomb that was the issue but the use of the bomb in the japanese.

Oh... so creating a bomb is okay... its just using it that is not... hm ? Yeah.. I'm sure you think you are making sence here hehehe.

they justified the action ethically stating that it was to prevent further death

It is known that murderer will justify their act however they can, its not new Mate. It doesn't deny the fact that smashing two atomic bombs on millions of people is not really ethical. Its not even needed in fact.

Society has to have ethics because ethics is something endemic to humans. Without ethics we won't even have customs and laws.

Actually no. Without ethic we can still have laws. But we would have bad laws and bad customs. Ethic is not something we are naturally born with.

Ethic is constructed. Its maintained.

But you are so fucking *** that you correlate a act that you disagree with lack of ethics

No, generally the act I disagree with, are just lacking ethic. When you consider that you can put million into the street and that it is normal to expect them to battle to the death to survive just for you to have progress, then its not really ethical my tech bro.

You are just being an horrible human being.

Yes. Including in war.
Open a history book once.

Then here is your subject:

How is bombing millions of people, "progress" ?

You have three hours.

Yes, you are just fearmongering because of you incompetence. this is clear.

Yes, I alarm people of the rise of fascist ideas and the inhuman ultra liberal and libertarian ideologies like yours. I completely agree with that. I don't think people really understand how much of a danger you really are.

Regulate, control, limit creativity, kill.

"Regulate", yes
"Control", not in absolute no, not really.
"Limiting creativity" .. by explaining that artist's work should not be stolen by ignorant people and techbros, I don't know how you get that...
And
"Kill"... actual WTF lol ?

Those who disagree, eliminated.

Are you transforming into a Dalek ?

Nah, FU

..s ro dah ?

.. riosa ?

...ll metal alchimist ?

???????

do you understand what figurative meaning mean?

No, I'm just a watermelon.

 

[Malakhith]

Well.. if being an alarmist is telling you how dangerous it is to expect technological progress without ethic, then I'm an alarmist.

Good that you agree that you are a ignorant alarmist.

No one is defending the killing of woman and children here mate. Relax.

Hypocrite

No, insults are. if you can't make the difference, there is a problem.

You need a dictionary and a understanding of degree of value. You was aware that insults were not appreciated and insisted on it. Don't cry like a bitch when it don't go your way.

I'm still waiting.

Ok. Don't complain like a bitch, later.

Sorry, this is another report.

Cry me a river and take a pill for your hurt ego.

Oh... so creating a bomb is okay... its just using it that is not... hm ? Yeah.. I'm sure you think you are making sence here hehehe.

For anyone with half a brain it should not be a issue to understand what the point was about. But you said that your brain don't work properly so I will not take it on you. Life already did.

Actually no. Without ethic we can still have laws. But we would have bad laws and bad customs. Ethic is not something we are naturally born with.

Look at the definition of ethics. Again, don't talk bullshit without knowing about the subject.

No, generally the act I disagree with, are just lacking ethic. When you consider that you can put million into the street and that it is normal to expect them to battle to the death to survive just for you to have progress, then its not really ethical my tech bro.

Again, look at the definition of ethics. There's a reason why it's considered subjective and not objective, like you claim.
You are just proving yourself ignorant. After you look at proper definition of ethics you will understand why Presentism is frowned upon by anyone that likes history.

How is bombing millions of people, "progress" ?

This is not the correct question, animal. I stated that war brings progress which is something that any kid should have learned in history class. It's a know fact that wars force technology to advance and when the same technology is brought to the common man it brings advances and security. Basic example is radar. It also brings advances in some other fields, including policial sciences ( most of the ideals of fundamental rights started in the french revolution- a war- and were developed later) and even how we see science (without the horrors of the trenchs the Geneva Convention would never exist, the same as the general hate for eugenics after WWII). Of course, progress is not linear, but yes- even war bring progress.

Yes, I alarm people of the rise of fascist ideas and the inhuman ultra liberal and libertarian ideologies like yours. I completely agree with that. I don't think people really understand how much of a danger you really are.

Yeah, yeah. A failure of a human being that is worthless for society trying to bring awareness. The modern Don Quixote.

No, I'm just a watermelon.

Nah, watermelons are useful and people even like them. They are not like you.

 

[Logiko]

Good that you agree that you are a ignorant alarmist.

Alarmist of problematic vision like yours yes. Ignorant, not really as I know full well how dangerous your vision is for people and how much harm libertarianism and ultra capitalism can do.

Hypocrite

Not really no.

You need a dictionary and a understanding of degree of value. You was aware that insults were not appreciated and insisted on it. Don't cry like a bitch when it don't go your way.

I do cry, I cry a lot actually, for a lot of things, but rarely because of fascism or capitalism. No, I rather be angry about it, its a bit more powerfull to fight it.

Ok. Don't complain like a bitch, later.

You can't really go two sentence without sluring do you ?

Cry me a river and take a pill for your hurt ego.

If you want.. I love this song. Have fun ! :)

For anyone with half a brain it should not be a issue to understand what the point was about. But you said that your brain don't work properly so I will not take it on you. Life already did.

Oof, that shot did hurt a bit.. Nice one

:cheers:

Look at the definition of ethics. Again, don't talk bullshit without knowing about the subject.

Its funny how it is always the bigoted people who are screaming "look at the definition" when they want to justify the horrible things they advocate for.

I did read the definition and my point still stand my tech bro.

There's a reason why it's considered subjective and not objective, like you claim.
You are just proving yourself ignorant

Sure :)

After you look at proper definition of ethics you will understand why Presentism is frowned upon by anyone that likes history.

Why are you suddenly talking about the philosophy of time ? You want to have have a metaphysical debate ?
Fine then, what do you think about the idea that time might be just an illusion ?

Nothing to do with the subject ? Yes I know.. that's exactly what you are doing here.

This is not the correct question, animal.

Now I really think that you are hitting on me...

I'm sorry but I'm not really that interested, your vision of the world is too inhuman for my taste, but thanks anyway ..

I stated that war brings progress which is something that any kid should have learned in history class.

Wow.. Wars brings progress now ?

The more it goes, the better it gets...



Progress is not only mesured by our technological advance Sun Zu, but also and moreso by our capacity for humanity and our ability to become better and better humans as time progress.

Basic example is radar

North Corea has radars, planes, tanks & Rockets. Do you feel like this society is swimming in progress right now ?

It's a know fact that wars force technology to advance

No. It only accelerate the process. Which can create good things or again, very bad things:

And as a result we get this:

And next thing you know, there is a giant gorilla swinging a glowing axe on your heads and you end up into the hollow earth...

rights started in the french revolution- a war- and were developed later

French revolution wasn't a war, it was a riot mate, a bloody riot, but still a riot. If you are starting calling "war" any type of conflict you are not gonna sleep..

And this is not the war in itself that started the right, its because people wanted those rights in the first place that they started rioting. But rioting is not the only option to get new rights.

without the horrors of the trenchs the Geneva Convention would never exist

Yeah, and without the war and stupid gov. Millions wouldn't have been sent toward meaningless death either... not really a progress here.

Of course, progress is not linear, but yes- even war bring progress.

Wrong. Again, war only accelerate the process.

We have a name for people like you in militantism. We call you "accelerationnist". You are the type of people that are willing to put millions under intense suffering fast, just for the promisse of a better tomorrow. You guys prefer people to suffer now rather than to wait for progress or to fight for it fair and square.

But if there is ONE things that you should've learned reading mangas and especially One Piece :

There is no such things as shortcuts toward peace and progress.

A failure of a human being that is worthless for society trying to bring awareness

You have really learned nothing do you ?

When you start saying that a person is "worthless" for society or anything else..

.. On what side of history do you think you really are ?

Nah, watermelons are useful and people even like them. They are not like you.

Damn.. I can't even be a watermelon