Dick Cheney supports lgbt as well :myman: just saying

I would say I am traditional centrist tilt towards right because I favor Capitalism it has worked for many years .
Saying right or left never made much sense to me.

Is more about more estate or less estate in my opinion.
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private sector should be weakened, worker rights increased
Let's take a look at Brazil then. App services like Uber and UberEats are getting regulated. Let's see how well it will end up for workers.

Heads up the most paid workers here in Brazil give up their rights in order to earn more money and decide what to do with it.

We also have a high % of unemployed here around 8%
 
Saying right or left never made much sense to me.
Because you don't understand the reasons why those terms exist in the first place...

You can be conservative and support lgbtq
This is actually true. But this would mean that those people are living with contradictions..

This thread is so stupid
Its debatable. On one hand its a good place to bring random political subjects on the table, on the other, the fact that it is THE place to talk about politic makes it a conflictual place.

In reality, there should be at least two places (which is why I'm keeping "the woke place" alive. One for simple leftists, socialists, anarchist and communist and one for simple rightist, liberal/ultra liberal and conservative. This would help reduce the conflictuality. The problem is that there is not a lot of real leftists (and not just liberals who says they support lgbt+) on this forum and the rightist/liberals/centrist are mostly letting the conservatists speak here, which makes this thread an echo chamber for bigoted ideas.

This is why I try to create such an echo and why I ask the staff to authorize the politization of other places of discussion in order to reintegrate political reflexions in the places where they belongs, instead of letting bigots occupy the only place for it and thus allowing the rest of the forum to stay a place of toxicity incapable of questionning itself.

The lack of understanding for the politization of stories and discussions about stories by the right would therefore be balanced by more positive reflexions of leftists like me who understand the importance for the politization of diverse subject. This would gradually negates the ambiant toxicity of the forum bit by bit. This might also negate a bit the reputation of the trash enabling nature of the forum, but it would increase consequently its quality.

Unlike a few idiots here who think everything is black and white and don't know terms by definition, it ain't that simple. I'm not anti-capitalist which is right wing, but I think the private sector should be weakened, worker rights increased, and that housing shouldn't be a tradable community, all of which of leftist or even flat out socialist.
But you consider that its okay for people to display transphobia (that deem yourself to be "not transphobia" or "buzzwords"), you do not see the problem with people displaying bigoted and very problematic ideas here, you are against the politization of important subjects, the recognition of systemic issues and the reflexion about sexism and racism through the lens of the visions of pop culture fandom on their story, you believe in the all mighty "nuanced society" and you don't understand what is wrong with dogpillings or harrassments, sometimes even participating in it.

Those are the vision of someone who understands that there is problem in society, but refuses to question the system or themself: In my "idiot" book (nobody is fooled) . We call people like you "progressive liberals" (and I'm being kind). In short, the most leftists part of the right spectrum.

But hey... maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you just have a strong bias against me which makes you appear as really not endeering. Maybe you are actually the right of the leftist spectrum, let's see:

What do you think about the notion of meritocracy ?
 
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You can be conservative and support lgbtq :kayneshrug:

Unlike a few idiots here who think everything is black and white and don't know terms by definition, it ain't that simple. I'm not anti-capitalist which is right wing, but I think the private sector should be weakened, worker rights increased, and that housing shouldn't be a tradable community, all of which of leftist or even flat out socialist.


Wage structure has been issue for example railway network, Airline , Automobile industry needs to have both private and govt body on board to fix the grievance of workers .

Again If you try to undermine private entities they will move offshore that’s why you see Apple being produced in China , Vietnam .

There is no perfect solution to be honest You can’t let Capitalism gain complete control over govt and Govt interfering and tell them how to run.
 
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Uncle Van

Taxes Are a Sickness
Wage structure has been issue for example railway network, Airline , Automobile industry needs to have both private and govt body on board to fix the greivancd of workers .

If you try to undermine private entities they will move offshore that’s why you see Apple being produced in China , Vietnam .
That is true which is why I say that it's not so simple. When California increased taxes for the wealthy, they all jumped ship to states like Texas. Then Cali tried making the worker class cover the bill which a chunk of them leave too. Now Cali is an ever-growing shithole.

Those with money got too many other options to dip.
 
That it's true which is why I say that it's not so simple. When California increased taxes for the wealthy, they all jumped ship to states like Texas. Then Cali tried making the worker class cover the bill which a chunk of them leave too. Now Cali is an ever-growing shithole.

Those with money got too many other options to dip.
That's why more estate always end up tending to a more dictatorship approach
 
That it's true which is why I say that it's not so simple. When California increased taxes for the wealthy, they all jumped ship to states like Texas. Then Cali tried making the worker class cover the bill which a chunk of them leave too. Now Cali is an ever-growing shithole.

Those with money got too many other options to dip.
Yes there is no right solution how to satisfy both sides .
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Because you don't understand the reasons why those terms exist in the first place...


This is actually true. But this would mean that those people are living with contradictions..


Its debatable. On one hand its a good place to bring random political subjects on the table, on the other, the fact that it is THE place to talk about politic makes it a conflictual place.

In reality, there should be at least two places (which is why I'm keeping "the woke place" alive. One for simple leftists, socialists, anarchist and communist and one for simple rightist, liberal/ultra liberal and conservative. This would help reduce the conflictuality. The problem is that there is not a lot of real leftists (and not just liberals who says they support lgbt+) on this forum and the rightist/liberals/centrist are mostly letting the conservatists speak here, which makes this thread an echo chamber for bigoted ideas.

This is why I try to create such an echo and why I ask the staff to authorize the politization of other places of discussion in order to reintegrate political reflexions in the places where they belongs, instead of letting bigots occupy the only place for it and thus allowing the rest of the forum to stay a place of toxicity incapable of questionning itself.

The lack of understanding for the politization of stories and discussions about stories by the right would therefore be balanced by more positive reflexions of leftists like me who understand the importance for the politization of diverse subject. This would gradually negates the ambiant toxicity of the forum bit by bit. This might also negate a bit the reputation of the trash enabling nature of the forum, but it would increase consequently its quality.


But you consider that its okay for people to display transphobia (that deem yourself to be "not transphobia" or "buzzwords"), you do not see the problem with people displaying bigoted and very problematic ideas here, you are against the politization of important subjects, the recognition of systemic issues and the reflexion about sexism and racism through the lens of the visions of pop culture fandom on their story, you believe in the all mighty "nuanced society" and you don't understand what is wrong with dogpillings or harrassments, sometimes even participating in it.

Those are the vision of someone who understands that there is problem in society, but refuses to question the system or themself: In my "idiot" book (nobody is fooled) . We call people like you "progressive liberals" (and I'm being kind). In short, the most leftists part of the right spectrum.

But hey... maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you just have a strong bias against me which makes you appear as really not endeering. Maybe you are actually the right of the leftist spectrum, let's see:

What do you think about the notion of meritocracy ?
I think Meritocracy will work in big countries if it has required infrastructure . Lee kuan Yew was one of few visionary who made Singapore what it is today .

China does it to some extent communism is just a name .

So yea downside if necessary check and balance are not placed few will hold power and it automatically always lead to Oligarchy in my view .
 
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That is true which is why I say that it's not so simple. When California increased taxes for the wealthy, they all jumped ship to states like Texas. Then Cali tried making the worker class cover the bill which a chunk of them leave too. Now Cali is an ever-growing shithole.

Those with money got too many other options to dip.
The thing about California is that it isn’t as left wing as people think it is.

California is liberal, meaning they support things like lgbt and minority rights, but it also means they support capitalism.

What this ultimately means is that the economy is not structured to benefit the needs of the people but rather a small group of wealthy elites.
 

Zemmi

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The thing about California is that it isn’t as left wing as people think it is.

California is liberal, meaning they support things like lgbt and minority rights, but it also means they support capitalism.

What this ultimately means is that the economy is not structured to benefit the needs of the people but rather a small group of wealthy elites.
The real thing about California is it's turned into a shithole, that normal people want to escape.
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I didn't even read @Uncle Van comment. Whoops
 
The thing about California is that it isn’t as left wing as people think it is.

California is liberal, meaning they support things like lgbt and minority rights, but it also means they support capitalism.

What this ultimately means is that the economy is not structured to benefit the needs of the people but rather a small group of wealthy elites.
If small group of wealthy elites control the govt structure unfortunately it’s oligarchy .
 

Uncle Van

Taxes Are a Sickness
The thing about California is that it isn’t as left wing as people think it is.

California is liberal, meaning they support things like lgbt and minority rights, but it also means they support capitalism.

What this ultimately means is that the economy is not structured to benefit the needs of the people but rather a small group of wealthy elites.
People only think Cali is leftist cause they vote blue. The democratic party are right wing.
 
You can be conservative and support lgbtq :kayneshrug:

Unlike a few idiots here who think everything is black and white and don't know terms by definition, it ain't that simple. I'm not anti-capitalist which is right wing, but I think the private sector should be weakened, worker rights increased, and that housing shouldn't be a tradable commodity, all of which are leftist or even flat out socialist.
I think most conservatives support LGBs, the Ts are the issue, to a point that some of the LGBs want to stay away from the group. When they add the rest of the alphabet because of their delusions any amount of good faith will be gone.
EDIT: This Dave special on the T's is spot on in what I mean
That is true which is why I say that it's not so simple. When California increased taxes for the wealthy, they all jumped ship to states like Texas. Then Cali tried making the worker class cover the bill which a chunk of them leave too. Now Cali is an ever-growing shithole.

Those with money got too many other options to dip.
Nah, the issue is that most leftist government are filled with incompetence and try to do things that sound good in theory but are shit in practice.
Add the huge amount of incompetent snowflakes that want to steal things from their betters instead of working for it and you have a recipe to failure.
 
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I know pretty well. French revolution. It made sense just at time. Not in current days.
No you don't. The reason those notion emerged is not because of the revolution invented something, its because someone needed to put a name on a political phenomenon.

The notion of right and left are the result of a political phenomen, a result of the conflict of value systems and are still relevant today. Although I can grant you the fact that they should not be named like that.

The left should be called "mostly right side" and the right should be called the "mostly wrong side". But hey.. let's not confuse people too much! Its already hard enough with people like you.

:shocking:


I think Meritocracy will work in big countries if it has required infrastructure
Meritocracy doesn't work and will never work. The reason is simple, its based on a myth. On literal false narrative and a ignorance of social structures.

China does it to some extent communism is just a name
Indeed, there is no such thing as communism in the world, just as there is no such thing as meritocracy.


California is liberal, meaning they support things like lgbt and minority rights, but it also means they support capitalism.

What this ultimately means is that the economy is not structured to benefit the needs of the people but rather a small group of wealthy elites
This.


I think most conservatives support LGBs, the Ts are the issue, to a point that some of the LGBs want to stay away from the group. When they add the rest of the alphabet because of their delusions any amount of good faith will be gone.
Indeed, its possible to be pro LGB and be a bigot.


Nah, the issue is that most leftist government are filled with incompetence and try to do things that sound good in theory but are shit in practice.
I'm sure you have a lot of example of REAL leftist policies applied to society that were sh*t in practice.

Let me ask you : Do you feel like:

- Universal healthcare
- 35 hours week
- Minimum wage
- Union rights
- Unemployment insurance
- Rights of Strike
- Retirement at 60
- Abortion rights
- Same sex Mariage
and hundreds more...


... Are "sh*t in practice" ?

(just to know where you stand when you are talking about social leftist politicies)
 
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No you don't. The reason those notion emerged is not because of the revolution invented something, its because someone needed to put a name on a political phenomenon.

The notion of right and left are the result of a political phenomen, a result of the conflict of value systems and are still relevant today. Although I can grant you the fact that they should not be named like that.

The left should be called "mostly right side" and the right should be called the "mostly wrong side". But hey.. let's not confuse people too much! Its already hard enough with people like you.

:shocking:
You really like to deny history don't you
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^ This Fucker just wants anything and everything to be allowed. Fucking stupid. If having no standard, then you doom the world.
Rise in Crime etc...
Depends how you do it. "Allowing" everything never really happens. Humankind historically since beginning make up groups (society) and have laws.
 
This Fucker just wants anything and everything to be allowed. Fucking stupid
You know there is something very funny in what you are saying.

Just a few weeks ago. @Herrera95 and yourself said this:

Freedom of speech really bothers you doesn't?
Free speech is free speech, Anything else is not that, What you are advocating for is not such.
So strangely back then, you were absolutely FOR a type of absolute liberty. But... since I'm the one who is advocating for more liberty in the freedom of speech on this forum.. suddenly.. I'm "F*cking stupid" ?

:myman:

In reality what interest you is not freedom of speech or liberty. Its YOUR liberty and the freedom for YOUR speech. In reality you don't want people around the world to get better situation, you just want to be sure that YOU get the right hand of the stick and since YOU believe in the myth of meritocracy and those BS rightist concepts.. then what leftists are doing is wrong by default since they don't agree with that, even if you have no way of explaining or prove why...


You really like to deny history don't you
I know my history thank you. You, on the other hand, have a little problem of political denial. Which is logical.. no one (aside from straight up fascist) would accept themself to accept the label of "far right" that the left puts on them. So you feel obligated to reject the notion of right and left since it will ultimately puts you into that side..
 

Uncle Van

Taxes Are a Sickness
I think most conservatives support LGBs, the Ts are the issue, to a point that some of the LGBs want to stay away from the group. When they add the rest of the alphabet because of their delusions any amount of good faith will be gone.
EDIT: This Dave special on the T's is spot on in what I mean

Nah, the issue is that most leftist government are filled with incompetence and try to do things that sound good in theory but are shit in practice.
Add the huge amount of incompetent snowflakes that want to steal things from their betters instead of working for it and you have a recipe to failure.
There have been plenty of leftist/socialist governments and nations that have thrived. Finland for example is capitalist, but has strong socialist policies and barely has a homeless problem as a result. Minimum wage workers in other European countries have paid leave, sick leave and paternity leave that is mandated by socialist/leftist policy.

Evo Morales, 65th president of Bolivia was a socialist and everyone was doing great. He was democratically elected and loved by his nation. America didn't like that and painted him a dictator who forced his way into power, trying numerous times to get him out of office or to make lean to capitalism. The reason US hated him was because he was removing American and european captialist influence from the country.

Then we have Thomas Sankara, former president of Burkina Faso. Though a Marxist revolutionary, he sought free Healthcare, education and housing and succeeded. He also campaigned to develop vaccines to eliminate diseases like polio. Dude improved his nation in just a few years. His policies was really cutting into the profits of western captialism. And of course, with funding from the U.S., he was assassinated, his policies overturned, and the country as a whole declined.
 
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