Controversial General Political Discussion

[Monkey D Theories]

Person morbidly obese or a sociopath? Perfect human being with no defects

I get not bullying people, but calling them perfect? You literally go from one extreme to the other lmao

obesity can be quite debilitating, even if you’re not 600+ lbs.

When I was 300+ lbs, I was diagnosed with severe obstructive sleep apnea. I stopped breathing in my sleep on average 53 times per hour. I was constantly drowsy and nearly fell asleep behind the wheel many times.

Saying that’s perfect is tbh a bit condescending

 

[Logiko]

if y’all want to improve your social skills read less manga and go meet people irl

Again, only ignorant people think they can't learn anything from stories.

lmao this guy just loves communicating with his own made up definitions. If something needs work, it’s not perfect. There are plenty other ways to be assuring to people who are struggling

And the first is to support them. The second being to stop interfering between them and their struggle.

Saying that’s perfect is tbh a bit condescending

What is perfect is the way you fight your battle and your legitimacy, not the illness. Do not confuse everything mate.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

The addict identifies as : not an addict and perfectly healthy
Reality: is factually an addict and the abuse is slowly killing them.

Nonono the addict identifies addiction as perfectly ok. It's like some people who help the homeless saying that it's ok if they spend their begging money on alcohol.

 

[Logiko]

It's like some people who help the homeless saying that it's ok if they spend their begging money on alcohol.

Wether its ok or not is not our place to tell them that and interfere. All you can do is remind them that they can be helped and show them the way. We can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped.

 

[Zenos7]

I'll copy paste what I said to Van:

How important and wise do you believe you are to think that you are entitled to say to people how to live their struggle ?

There is only one lie in this situation and it reside in the mind of random people that think they know life so much better than people in difficult situation that they can coatch them out of of their own personal war. This is the lie of the savior. This is purely egotistical.

You want to know how to respect a person ?

Read One Piece

And act like Luffy. Do not tell people how they must live their struggle. Let them fight their OWN battle, don't interfere UNLESS they ask you for help or there are about to do something life threatening.

Remember than a fat person already knows that they are fat and that it is unhealthy

Love your family without condition.

Its the BEST way for you to show them your support.

Telling someone an unpleasant truth isnt necessarily telling them how to live though.

And nah i dont love my family unconditionally.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Wether its ok or not is not our place to tell them that and interfere. All you can do is remind them that they can be helped and show them the way. We can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped.

This is also true. Like I said, a fine line to walk.
Forcing anything on others is not ok.

 

[Zenos7]

Remember than a fat person already knows that they are fat and that it is unhealthy..." - Say this to the people who say you can be healthy at any weight, Logiko.

Wait what such people exist?!?!? Cant be silly you

 

[Roo]

And the first is to support them. The second being to stop interfering between them and their struggle.

yeah, and you can totally support them without calling them perfect. Perfect by definition is no flaws at all. Not even a normal person is perfect. Nobody is perfect

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Wait what such people exist?!?!? Cant be silly you

Being super thin is unhealthy too tho and I've never heard of thin shaming

 

[Zenos7]

a lot of time discussions about obesity are confused with discussion about people (mostly women) with curves. And no matter what those people will do, they CAN'T lose weight

Not losing weight despite a calories deficit? Probably some rare disorder then

 

[Logiko]

Telling someone an unpleasant truth isnt necessarily telling them how to live though.

Actually it is. People ALREADY know the unpleasant truth so telling them this is just adding a layer of your own frustration on them, a layer that they do not need. Same from people who are in denial. Usually, people in denial are there for a very good reason. If you want to unlock this, understand their lives, but do not tell them "the harsh truth", its simply unproductive and you will only gain distrust from that.

Again, people fight their own battle. Telling "the harsh truth" is just an excuse to avoid saying "I'm telling this person my frustration of seeing them unwell"

You want to support ? Love, stay close and trust.

And nah i dont love my family unconditionally.

Well, I hope you have good relationships with your family.

yeah, and you can totally support them without calling them perfect. Perfect by definition is no flaws at all. Not even a normal person is perfect. Nobody is perfect

When someone is in difficulty, its important to show support an even the balance. So when someone really feel like they are unworthy of living because of their physic, mental illness, addiction or financial situation, telling them that they are perfect the way they are is absolutely VITAL to restore the balance. Even if technically, perfection means the absence of bad.

 

[Roo]

Actually it is. People ALREADY know the unpleasant truth so telling them this is just adding a layer of your own frustration on them, a layer that they do not need. Same from people who are in denial. Usually, people in denial are there for a very good reason. If you want to unlock this, understand their lives, but do not tell them "the harsh truth", its simply unproductive and you will only gain distrust from that.

Again, people fight their own battle. Telling "the harsh truth" is just an excuse to avoid saying "I'm telling this person my frustration of seeing them unwell"

You want to support ? Love, stay close and trust.



Well, I hope you have good relationships with your family.



When someone is in difficulty, its important to show support an even the balance. So when someone really feel like they are unworthy of living because of their physic, mental illness, addiction or financial situation, telling them that they are perfect the way they are is absolutely VITAL to restore the balance. Even if technically, perfection means the absence of bad.

No, that is called over correction and I’m 100% a therapist would scold you for your suggestion.

You can add validity to someone’s struggle without making it seem like they don’t have a struggle

 

[Logiko]

Not losing weight despite a calories deficit? Probably some rare disorder then

People with curve means people with non normative bodies. Those people are not fat. They just have a different anatomy. And its important to understand that because most of the time, women are the target of fat shaming behavior related to those anatomies.

No, that is called over correction and I’m 100% a therapist would scold you for your suggestion.

You can add validity to someone’s struggle without making it seem like they don’t have a struggle

Yes, but we are not in therapy here. A therapist can say the harsh truth because that their expertise, we see them especially for that. We are not one. We are human being that needs legitimacy and sometimes being over supporting is necessary between relationships.

Understanding someone struggle is stepping back from the control seat. Its understanding that the person is already fighting and that you interfering will just slow them down or worst.

If you don't want to tell them that they are perfect, don't. But know that it can be life changing.

 

[Zenos7]

Being super thin is unhealthy too tho and I've never heard of thin shaming

Prolly because being fat is so much more common in western societies.
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Actually it is. People ALREADY know the unpleasant truth so telling them this is just adding a layer of your own frustration on them, a layer that they do not need. Same from people who are in denial. Usually, people in denial are there for a very good reason. If you want to unlock this, understand their lives, but do not tell them "the harsh truth", its simply unproductive and you will only gain distrust from that.

Again, people fight their own battle. Telling "the harsh truth" is just an excuse to avoid saying "I'm telling this person my frustration of seeing them unwell"

You want to support ? Love, stay close and trust.

People dont always know. And still no. Saying being obese os unhealthy isnt telling people to lose weight. Just two different things. But you conflate alot of shit that isnt necessarily linked anyway
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Well, I hope you have good relationships with your family.

Depends on the family member. I have seversl family members where i havent been in contact for them for over 10 years
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People with curve means people with non normative bodies. Those people are not fat. They just have a different anatomy. And its important to understand that because most of the time, women are the target of fat shaming behavior related to those anatomies.

Need some example for different anatomy

 

[Logiko]

People dont always know.

Yes. I know. I was in that case. I was in denial for 10 years. I know what it is like to refuse to admit that we have a problem. But what you need to understand, is that it doesn't stop us from suffering. And when someone tells us how to live our life, especially when we refuse our condition, its extremely destructive (and not only for the individual with the problem)

Saying being obese os unhealthy isnt telling people to lose weight.

As long as you don't constantly say that to the person in obesity, then you can say whatever you want.

But you conflate alot of shit that isnt necessarily linked anyway

I think you really don't understand why I talk the way I talk in the first place. I'm not a simple leftist who tell you that because I want to be a good ally. I'm telling you that because I lived it.

- I have someone who is dealing with addiction and depression
- Another who is dealing with obesity
- And me who is dealing with all sort of sh*ts.

So when I'm telling you that saying the "harsh truth" to people doesn't work, its because I've experienced it. ALL the changes came once we stopped being toxic with eachothers and once we started to understand each others. Once we stopped interfering with eachother's fights.

So again. This is not the leftist talking, this is the 36 Yo guy who dealt with difficult situations. You want to support you relatives ?

Love. Trust and Stay close

 

[Zenos7]

again. This is not the leftist talking, this is the 36 Yo guy who dealt with difficult situations. You want to support you relatives ?

Wasnt aware this convo of yours is only regarding relatives

 

[Logiko]

Wasnt aware this convo of yours is only regarding relatives

I thought this was obvious. But I should have be more precised.

One would need to be a really toxic human to go to someone in difficulty that they don't know at all and tell them how to live or that they are actually unhealthy people. lol

 

[Zenos7]

I thought this was obvious. But I should have be more precised.

One would need to be a really toxic human to go to someone in difficulty that they don't know at all and tell them how to live or that they are actually unhealthy people. lol

Obviously not like random, maybe if the topic arises or if one of the rare nutjobs tells you being fat isnt unhealthy.

I dont think anyone suggested going up to random fat people to tell them being fat is unhealthy lol.
@Uncle Van ?

 

[Logiko]

Obviously not like random, maybe if the topic arises or if one of the rare nutjobs tells you being fat isnt unhealthy.

I dont think anyone suggested going up to random fat people to tell them being fat is unhealthy lol.
@Uncle Van ?

That's why I'm talking about relatives here. Because the opposite doesn't make much sence. We are talking about people we love and that we want to see healthy.

It takes a lot of courage not to interfere when we know that someone is suffering. But unless they do something radically self destructive or they directly ask us for help. The best way to respect them is to stay close and trust that they will win.

I'm purpusefully using the terminology of war and shonen to make you understand how One Piece and Oda perfectly nails that aspect of human relationships. (one of the reasons why we absolutely need to discuss One Piece under a political lens)

 

[Haoshoku]

You want to know how to respect a person ?

Read One Piece

Bro One Piece is not what you should read if you want to know how to respect someone, Luffy doesn’t even respect himself how could you possibly use a fictional character with a dumb manchild archetype as a role model for respect?

You have to be trolling.