Controversial General Political Discussion

[Roo]

I disagree on them being disconnected. They occured in the same university under the same police force's watch with only 24 hours in-between.

The "counterprotestors" shot fireworks into the encampment and came with sticks and poles to attack it. Yet none of them were arrested.

I dont believe a better example can highlight that a double standard was displayed here.

They are disconnected because they are separate events. Look at it this way

1 guy goes into a bar and beats up a random guy. Police is called to separate the two and no charges are being pressed. The next day the guy who gets beat up gets too drunk and refuses to leave the bar, gets arrested for trespassing.

it is pointless to argue who deserved jail more because they were different events and different charges. It is quite literally apples to oranges.

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Protesting in the campus is actually protected iirc, the college has the right to regulate the time/place of the protest that ensures it can continue its classes/function.

"Protected" as in you can do it, up to a point. Just like free speech there are limitations in place. Disorderly conduct being one

 

[Etzel Andergast]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1787179069227855932

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

They are disconnected because they are separate events.

All is connected

 

[Zolo]

I miss bob and gender wars

 

[Mathias]

I'd gladly say that feminists can say "all men" are the problem and this or that. But then I compare it with anti-americanism and any kind of generalization. It's just ridiculous. Especially when it's purely based on where you are from and not on your ideas. I have known americans who get severely bashed because of Trump the second they say they're from the US --by people who think they have the higher ground in national championship of ethics-- even though they are more left-wing than Bernie.

Main argument being "but they haven't suffered enough so we can insult THEM ALL and whatnot" is just plain silly. I don't believe in PC or wokes being a thing. But imbeciles reign supreme in mankind. They're the perfect embodiment of believing in their own sacred purity. It's pure ideological narcissism.

 

[Roo]

I'd gladly say that feminists can say "all men" are the problem and this or that. But then I compare it with anti-americanism and any kind of generalization. It's just ridiculous. Especially when it's purely based on where you are from and not on your ideas. I have known americans who get severely bashed because of Trump the second they say they're from the US --by people who think they have the higher ground in national championship of ethics-- even though they are more left-wing than Bernie.

Main argument being "but they haven't suffered enough so we can insult THEM ALL and whatnot" is just plain silly. I don't believe in PC or wokes being a thing. But imbeciles reign supreme in mankind. They're the perfect embodiment of believing in their own sacred purity. It's pure ideological narcissism.

So prejudice bad

 

[Logiko]

I'd gladly say that feminists can say "all men" are the problem and this or that. But then I compare it with anti-americanism and any kind of generalization. It's just ridiculous. Especially when it's purely based on where you are from and not on your ideas. I have known americans who get severely bashed because of Trump the second they say they're from the US --by people who think they have the higher ground in national championship of ethics-- even though they are more left-wing than Bernie.

Main argument being "but they haven't suffered enough so we can insult THEM ALL and whatnot" is just plain silly. I don't believe in PC or wokes being a thing. But imbeciles reign supreme in mankind. They're the perfect embodiment of believing in their own sacred purity. It's pure ideological narcissism.

That would be right if both case were comparable. But in reality they are not. In the case of the US, there is indeed a small % of the population that is bigoted and voted trump and therefore we can't say that all american are racist.

But for men, that's not the case. EVERY MEN without exception me included have been educated under a patriarcal toxic system and are benefiting from it and that is a system of oppression against women. So while there are indeed people who will never do or say something sexist toxic or harmfull to women (which would be a very VERY rare case) in their life, ALL men are potential abusers.

So while saying "all american" is false, saying "all men" is a base of truth.

 

[Roo]

That would be right if both case were comparable. But in reality they are not. In the case of the US, there is indeed a small % of the population that is bigoted and voted trump and therefore we can't say that all american are racist.

But for men, that's not the case. EVERY MEN without exception me included have been educated under a patriarcal toxic system and are benefiting from it and that is a system of oppression against women. So while there are indeed people who will never do or say something sexist toxic or harmfull to women (which would be a very VERY rare case) in their life, ALL men are potential abusers.

So while saying "all american" is false, saying "all men" is a base of truth.

Gold medal mental Olympics to justify prejudice lmao

 

[Logiko]

Gold medal mental Olympics to justify prejudice lmao

What prejudice ? There is no prejudice when the opinion is based on fact and sociological evidences mate.

 

[Roo]

What prejudice ? There is no prejudice when the opinion is based on fact and sociological evidences mate.

What fact?

 

[Logiko]

What fact?

We men are ALL educated under a patriarcal system and therefore we will - in our life - ALL depict sexist behavior.

 

[Roo]

We men are ALL educated under a patriarcal system and therefore we will - in our life - ALL depict sexist behavior.

So do white people get a pass since black men overwhelmingly commit crime?

or do only white women get to keep their prejudice?

 

[Logiko]

So do white people get a pass since black men overwhelmingly commit crime?

or do only white women get to keep their prejudice?

Can you explain me why you are comparing this situation with patriarchy mate ?

 

[Roo]

Can you explain me why you are comparing this situation with patriarchy mate ?

My comment was regarding prejudice, which anybody with a brain thinks is generally not a good thing. You said if there’s facts backing up said ideas it’s not prejudice. So I brought the easiest example to show how stupid this is.

Don’t try to back out of it now tho. Are only white women allowed to be prejudiced against black men, or do we allow all white people?

 

[Logiko]

My comment was regarding prejudice, which anybody with a brain thinks is generally not a good thing. You said if there’s facts backing up said ideas it’s not prejudice. So I brought the easiest example to show how stupid this is.

Don’t try to back out of it now tho. Are only white women allowed to be prejudiced against black men, or do we allow all white people?

Dude, I don't even understand your comparison. Why are you talking about white women and black men and all white people ? Explain the context before creating nonsense please.

 

[Roo]

Dude, I don't even understand your comparison. Why are you talking about white women and black men and all white people ? Explain the context before creating nonsense please.

Lmao it’s so easy to follow

you said it is not prejudice when the idea is based off fact.

ok, so let’s accept that. Black men overwhelmingly commit most of the crimes in the U.S. Do then white people get to act on their prejudices? Since it’s based on a “fact” it is not really a prejudice right? Or are we only allowing white women to be racist against black men? Since this whole thing started because of dumb gender war rage bait

 

[Logiko]

Black men overwhelmingly commit most of the crimes in the U.S. Do then white people get to act on their prejudices?

First. If by acting you are saying attack black people, then no. Just like no women will attack men.
Second. If by acting you are saying destroy systemic racism that create the fact black people are outcasted by society, marginalized, lost in poverty and therefore overrepresented in prison, then yes, white people should act and destroy systemic racism.

You see, in one case there is no prejudice because all men ARE in fact all sexist in their lives and in the other there is one because its racism the problem and not black people.

So your comparison is fallacious.

You are once again proving that you are not a leftist since you don't understand the difference here.

 

[Roo]

You see, in one case there is no prejudice because all men ARE in fact all sexist in their lives

This is quite literally prejudice

no I don’t want to be your definition of leftist. You want to be “one of the good ones” when that phrase disgusts me

 

[Logiko]

This is quite literally prejudice

No. That's a fact mate.

In a patriarcal society like ours its IMPOSSIBLE for a man not to be sexist at least once in his lifetime.

Leftists are not "the good ones" they are the "right ones". If you are not a leftist, you are politically on the wrong side:
- Of reality
- Of science
- Of history

 

[Mathias]

That would be right if both case were comparable. But in reality they are not. In the case of the US, there is indeed a small % of the population that is bigoted and voted trump and therefore we can't say that all american are racist.

But for men, that's not the case. EVERY MEN without exception me included have been educated under a patriarcal toxic system and are benefiting from it and that is a system of oppression against women. So while there are indeed people who will never do or say something sexist toxic or harmfull to women (which would be a very VERY rare case) in their life, ALL men are potential abusers.

So while saying "all american" is false, saying "all men" is a base of truth.

Small percentage lmao, it’s half of the population and the second record in US history in popular vote.

EVERY american has been living in the same country subject to the same set of mentality. Same for ALL MEN under patriarchy.

In a patriarcal society like ours its IMPOSSIBLE for a man not to be sexist at least once in his lifetime.

You’re literally making a case for purity here.

"In a racist society like ours its IMPOSSIBLE for whites not to be racist at least once in his lifetime."
"In a transphobic society like ours its IMPOSSIBLE for a cis not to be transphobic at least once in his lifetime."