Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

I'd gladly say that feminists can say "all men" are the problem and this or that. But then I compare it with anti-americanism and any kind of generalization. It's just ridiculous. Especially when it's purely based on where you are from and not on your ideas. I have known americans who get severely bashed because of Trump the second they say they're from the US --by people who think they have the higher ground in national championship of ethics-- even though they are more left-wing than Bernie.

Main argument being "but they haven't suffered enough so we can insult THEM ALL and whatnot" is just plain silly. I don't believe in PC or wokes being a thing. But imbeciles reign supreme in mankind. They're the perfect embodiment of believing in their own sacred purity. It's pure ideological narcissism.

That would be right if both case were comparable. But in reality they are not. In the case of the US, there is indeed a small % of the population that is bigoted and voted trump and therefore we can't say that all american are racist.

But for men, that's not the case. EVERY MEN without exception me included have been educated under a patriarcal toxic system and are benefiting from it and that is a system of oppression against women. So while there are indeed people who will never do or say something sexist toxic or harmfull to women (which would be a very VERY rare case) in their life, ALL men are potential abusers.

So while saying "all american" is false, saying "all men" is a base of truth.

 

[Roo]

That would be right if both case were comparable. But in reality they are not. In the case of the US, there is indeed a small % of the population that is bigoted and voted trump and therefore we can't say that all american are racist.

But for men, that's not the case. EVERY MEN without exception me included have been educated under a patriarcal toxic system and are benefiting from it and that is a system of oppression against women. So while there are indeed people who will never do or say something sexist toxic or harmfull to women (which would be a very VERY rare case) in their life, ALL men are potential abusers.

So while saying "all american" is false, saying "all men" is a base of truth.

Gold medal mental Olympics to justify prejudice lmao

 

[Logiko]

Gold medal mental Olympics to justify prejudice lmao

What prejudice ? There is no prejudice when the opinion is based on fact and sociological evidences mate.

 

[Roo]

What prejudice ? There is no prejudice when the opinion is based on fact and sociological evidences mate.

What fact?

 

[Logiko]

What fact?

We men are ALL educated under a patriarcal system and therefore we will - in our life - ALL depict sexist behavior.

 

[Roo]

We men are ALL educated under a patriarcal system and therefore we will - in our life - ALL depict sexist behavior.

So do white people get a pass since black men overwhelmingly commit crime?

or do only white women get to keep their prejudice?

 

[Logiko]

So do white people get a pass since black men overwhelmingly commit crime?

or do only white women get to keep their prejudice?

Can you explain me why you are comparing this situation with patriarchy mate ?

 

[Roo]

Can you explain me why you are comparing this situation with patriarchy mate ?

My comment was regarding prejudice, which anybody with a brain thinks is generally not a good thing. You said if there’s facts backing up said ideas it’s not prejudice. So I brought the easiest example to show how stupid this is.

Don’t try to back out of it now tho. Are only white women allowed to be prejudiced against black men, or do we allow all white people?

 

[Logiko]

My comment was regarding prejudice, which anybody with a brain thinks is generally not a good thing. You said if there’s facts backing up said ideas it’s not prejudice. So I brought the easiest example to show how stupid this is.

Don’t try to back out of it now tho. Are only white women allowed to be prejudiced against black men, or do we allow all white people?

Dude, I don't even understand your comparison. Why are you talking about white women and black men and all white people ? Explain the context before creating nonsense please.

 

[Roo]

Dude, I don't even understand your comparison. Why are you talking about white women and black men and all white people ? Explain the context before creating nonsense please.

Lmao it’s so easy to follow

you said it is not prejudice when the idea is based off fact.

ok, so let’s accept that. Black men overwhelmingly commit most of the crimes in the U.S. Do then white people get to act on their prejudices? Since it’s based on a “fact” it is not really a prejudice right? Or are we only allowing white women to be racist against black men? Since this whole thing started because of dumb gender war rage bait

 

[Logiko]

Black men overwhelmingly commit most of the crimes in the U.S. Do then white people get to act on their prejudices?

First. If by acting you are saying attack black people, then no. Just like no women will attack men.
Second. If by acting you are saying destroy systemic racism that create the fact black people are outcasted by society, marginalized, lost in poverty and therefore overrepresented in prison, then yes, white people should act and destroy systemic racism.

You see, in one case there is no prejudice because all men ARE in fact all sexist in their lives and in the other there is one because its racism the problem and not black people.

So your comparison is fallacious.

You are once again proving that you are not a leftist since you don't understand the difference here.

 

[Roo]

You see, in one case there is no prejudice because all men ARE in fact all sexist in their lives

This is quite literally prejudice

no I don’t want to be your definition of leftist. You want to be “one of the good ones” when that phrase disgusts me

 

[Logiko]

This is quite literally prejudice

No. That's a fact mate.

In a patriarcal society like ours its IMPOSSIBLE for a man not to be sexist at least once in his lifetime.

Leftists are not "the good ones" they are the "right ones". If you are not a leftist, you are politically on the wrong side:
- Of reality
- Of science
- Of history

 

[Mathias]

That would be right if both case were comparable. But in reality they are not. In the case of the US, there is indeed a small % of the population that is bigoted and voted trump and therefore we can't say that all american are racist.

But for men, that's not the case. EVERY MEN without exception me included have been educated under a patriarcal toxic system and are benefiting from it and that is a system of oppression against women. So while there are indeed people who will never do or say something sexist toxic or harmfull to women (which would be a very VERY rare case) in their life, ALL men are potential abusers.

So while saying "all american" is false, saying "all men" is a base of truth.

Small percentage lmao, it’s half of the population and the second record in US history in popular vote.

EVERY american has been living in the same country subject to the same set of mentality. Same for ALL MEN under patriarchy.

In a patriarcal society like ours its IMPOSSIBLE for a man not to be sexist at least once in his lifetime.

You’re literally making a case for purity here.

"In a racist society like ours its IMPOSSIBLE for whites not to be racist at least once in his lifetime."
"In a transphobic society like ours its IMPOSSIBLE for a cis not to be transphobic at least once in his lifetime."

 

[Logiko]

Small percentage lmao, it’s half of the population and the second record in US history in popular vote.

Granted, it still not something that we can generalize to the entire population.

You’re literally making a case for purity here.

"In a racist society like ours its IMPOSSIBLE for whites not to be racist at least once in his lifetime."
"In a transphobic society like ours its IMPOSSIBLE for a cis not to be transphobic at least once in his lifetime."

Its not purity, its just factual.

And yes in a racist and transphobic society such as ourself its impossible not to have transphobic and racist biases.

The point is that we are ALL socialized by our environment and our environment is patriarcal, sexist, racist, ableist and transphobic. Now, the question is not "who is not like that ?" the question is "How do we change our environment for things to change ?"

The first step is to accept that we are not saint, none of us, especially men. Then we can act.

 

[Mathias]

Its not purity, its just factual.

And yes in a racist and transphobic society such as ourself its impossible not to have transphobic and racist biases.

The point is that we are ALL socialized by our environment and our environment is patriarcal, sexist, racist, ableist and transphobic. Now, the question is not "who is not like that ?" the question is "How do we change our environment for things to change ?"

The first step is to accept that we are not saint, none of us, especially men. Then we can act.

That's fair, still won't think stuff like "ALL whites are united to hate on Turks" because it remains fairly ridiculous.

Do people "who try to change our environment for things to change" are also sexist and racist ?

 

[Logiko]

Do people "who try to change our environment for things to change" are also sexist and racist ?

Yes of course. Its not because we become leftist materialists that all our sexist, transphobic, racist and ableist biases will magically disappear. Of course those behaviors will be less important and predominant but anyone can have those bias, even people with the best intentions. I myself had to dealt with a lot of racist and meritocratic biases in the last few years despite the fact that I've considered myself a leftist for quite some time now.

We are not perfect. The important thing is to do our best to be better. Our actions will speak for us.

 

[Mathias]

Yes of course. Its not because we become leftist materialists that all our sexist, transphobic, racist and ableist biases will magically disappear. Of course those behaviors will be less important and predominant but anyone can have those bias, even people with the best intentions. I myself had to dealt with a lot of racist and meritocratic biases in the last few years despite the fact that I've considered myself a leftist for quite some time now.

We are not perfect. The important thing is to do our best to be better. Our actions will speak for us.

You actually really believe that transgender black women is the purest form of leftism ?

I won't follow this kind of radically pointless perspective. I think you can be not racist, not sexist and so on. No need to be an hardcore activist who is trying to purify society and themselves to the bone but cannot because of their skin & gender...

 

[Herrera95]

What the foods of Rio Grande do Sul at South of Brazil can teach us?

First of all that the climate changes isn't necessarily what is causing those tremendous natural disasters. Yes this flood is the worst in 80 years and activists are at least 40 years claiming we are doom because of oil and other stuff so for those 40 years we are "harming" the environment we didn't had flood of the same level as 80 years before until now?

https://www.news9live.com/videos/wo...om-worst-floods-in-80-years-video-2525525/amp

Also we've learned that the governament is inefficient and that private initiative is more than capable of helping people out

https://www.infomoney.com.br/busine...-vitimas-no-rio-grande-do-sul-veja-acoes/amp/

Translate the page and see how many private companies are helping in many ways. That's the brutality of capitalism some complain about it.

And as a bonus the infrastructure made by private initiative is cheaper and better done the one made by government

https://revistaoeste.com/brasil/ponte-do-rs-construida-pelo-povo-resiste-as-enchentes/

Translate it and see how the bridge made by the very own population resisted the flooding while the ones made by governament got carried away and costed way more.

 

[Uncle Van]

Why am I so certain the patriarch debate relies on using the term incorrectly by definition and ignoring history?