Controversial General Political Discussion

[RayanOO]

Anyway I see you're dodging the Israel/Palestine and LFI questions

lol don’t worry

French PS (Socialist Party) stopped being socialist a few decades ago... their last president was a hell of a neo-liberal.

And what is being a socialist ?

was Mitterand a real socialist too after the first 2 years of his government ?

 

[RebelliousSoma]

It's like saying that current Labour Party is socialist or even social-democrat....

It's literally the definition of the Labour party. Keir Starmer self describes as a socialist.

 

[Mathias]

lol don’t worry

I worry

And what is being a socialist ?

was Mitterand a real socialist too after the first 2 years of his government ?

That's a good question. Mitterrand stopped passing socialist reforms after two years indeed. Many argue that the choices taken were bad and that they weren't ineluctable. Other alternatives existed.

It's literally the definition of the Labour party. Keir Starmer self describes as a socialist.

Did he you should check a quick youtube video essay about socialism then. Maybe @Logiko can help you find one

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

Doesn't look or sound, nor act like one.

??
Who made you the judge

 

[Reborn]

In 2022 before the election he had the majority and was ruling the country

I’m not talking about today

While Mitterand and Chirac got elected again while not really governing. Mitterand lost the legislative and it’s was Chirac and the RPR which governed the country and Chirac dissolved the parliament and it was Jospin and the left / PS which governed the country,

So it was a bit « easier » to be elected again while not actively governing

Why are you dodging Israel/Palestine issue and LFI questions?

Don't worry we won't tell logiko where you live in France

 

[Natalija]

Why are you dodging Israel/Palestine issue and LFI questions?

Don't worry we won't tell logiko where you live in France

The cat is out of the bag, now he knows that Rayan is a far right fan

 

[Zemmi]

Trump and Project 2025 is the end of democracy in US. Simple.

No one truly believes this not even the people using it as a fearmongering tactic to fool people. You don't have to believe me on this, believe their actions. No democrat with president aspirations will attach themselves to this election as a candidate be it president or Vice. They understand the chance of a win this year is slim to none, and would end any future attempts for them. So they are letting Kamala take the fall while they plan for 2028 because they understand the US will continue as normal after Trump because of US's built in ability to limit control and self correct.

 

[Natalija]

And here I thought democracy in the US already died in 2016

 

[RayanOO]

What's wrong with wearing a keffieh and what do you think is wrong with Rima Hassan ?

And who are they provoking ?

Way too lazy to go in real depth here
But quickly ;

Many things are wrong here

- First real wrong thing is putting the Israel / Palestine conflict as a center in the European campaign. 70 or 80% of LFI program/campaign during EU election was about Israel and Palestine. WTF was that ? You can obviously talk about conflicts in the world but as much ? For a conflict far from Europe and having no link with the actual election ? it’s unprecedented

And bringing this conflict as much as they did divided the population, raised the tension to the max, put the Jewish population at risks ( and the number of antisemitic acts rised/is rising tenfold)

And they talked about this conflict without any nuance, without any second thoughts, creating polarization

And the worst is they obviously did that to please their base and attract muslims and suburbs votes. They promote communitarism.

While at the same time you can find videos of Melenchon about Russia or China defending their invasions or finding excuses.

- the way they justified and almost promoted the act of Hamas during the 7th October. It was only « resistance », it was acceptable, it was not terrorism etc etc. You can find some posts that are terrible. How can a Republican Party say that kind of things ? During the NFP deal and creation the biggest point of deal was to know if Hamas was or not a problem ? LOL. They wrote that they didn’t to work on their antisemitism Lool

And even recently when you have a guy like Caron, when a 12y old little girl was raped because being Jewish, can only tweet that we are talking about that too much and 2 weeks ago a Romanian woman was killed because of racism….. really ? This is the new level now ? Not being able to care about a little girl and putting racism against the other form of racism ?
and doing so is denying that since 7th October Antisemitism rose a lot, denying it’s an actual real problem today.

Even Melenchon himself partakes : taking to Jerome Guedj and saying he took positions because he is Jewish, saying antisemitism wasn’t that big in France etc etc.

And obviously this level of polarization and verbal violence and tension made their militants and supports on fire. During the EU election the PS / Left candidate was insulted and talked down because he was Jewish etc etc.

LFI is responsible.

‘So yeah the words and the way LFI handled the whole conflict is atrocious.

92% of the Jewish community thinks LFI is a big problem and I even know lots of Jewish people wanting to vote Le Pen instead of LFI if they had that choice. It’s a fucking new low and whose fault is that once again ??

- Rima Hassan is an other problem and the same too. Putting her front row for the EU election was nuts. Once again putting the conflict at the center of an election that had no link at all. She maybe did 70% of the talking during the campaign. Once again because politically LFI wanted to make things ablaze.

‘Now Rima herself is a problem : fake news after fake news about Israel, tweeting all day long about the conflict, insulting people etc etc

And putting her at the front row once again didn’t allow to talk rationally about this conflict and didn’t allow to calmly analyzing things and not just putting people against the others.

I have also ton of other things to say about the LFI even outside the Israelian / Palestinian conflict.

So yes I say this again : LFI today is as bad as RN and it shows how much they sank as a party
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Why are you dodging Israel/Palestine issue and LFI questions?

Don't worry we won't tell logiko where you live in France

Fuck didn’t think about that….

 

[Natalija]

Way too lazy to go in real depth here
But quickly ;

Many things are wrong here

- First real wrong thing is putting the Israel / Palestine conflict as a center in the European campaign. 70 or 80% of LFI program/campaign during EU election was about Israel and Palestine. WTF was that ? You can obviously talk about conflicts in the world but as much ? For a conflict far from Europe and having no link with the actual election ? it’s unprecedented

And bringing this conflict as much as they did divided the population, raised the tension to the max, put the Jewish population at risks ( and the number of antisemitic acts rised/is rising tenfold)

And they talked about this conflict without any nuance, without any second thoughts, creating polarization

And the worst is they obviously did that to please their base and attract muslims and suburbs votes. They promote communitarism.

While at the same time you can find videos of Melenchon about Russia or China defending their invasions or finding excuses.

- the way they justified and almost promoted the act of Hamas during the 7th October. It was only « resistance », it was acceptable, it was not terrorism etc etc. You can find some posts that are terrible. How can a Republican Party say that kind of things ? During the NFP deal and creation the biggest point of deal was to know if Hamas was or not a problem ? LOL. They wrote that they didn’t to work on their antisemitism Lool

And even recently when you have a guy like Caron, when a 12y old little girl was raped because being Jewish, can only tweet that we are talking about that too much and 2 weeks ago a Romanian woman was killed because of racism….. really ? This is the new level now ? Not being able to care about a little girl and putting racism against the other form of racism ?
and doing so is denying that since 7th October Antisemitism rose a lot, denying it’s an actual real problem today.

Even Melenchon himself partakes : taking to Jerome Guedj and saying he took positions because he is Jewish, saying antisemitism wasn’t that big in France etc etc.

And obviously this level of polarization and verbal violence and tension made their militants and supports on fire. During the EU election the PS / Left candidate was insulted and talked down because he was Jewish etc etc.

LFI is responsible.

‘So yeah the words and the way LFI handled the whole conflict is atrocious.

92% of the Jewish community thinks LFI is a big problem and I even know lots of Jewish people wanting to vote Le Pen instead of LFI if they had that choice. It’s a fucking new low and whose fault is that once again ??

- Rima Hassan is an other problem and the same too. Putting her front row for the EU election was nuts. Once again putting the conflict at the center of an election that had no link at all. She maybe did 70% of the talking during the campaign. Once again because politically LFI wanted to make things ablaze.

‘Now Rima herself is a problem : fake news after fake news about Israel, tweeting all day long about the conflict, insulting people etc etc

And putting her at the front row once again didn’t allow to talk rationally about this conflict and didn’t allow to calmly analyzing things and not just putting people against the others.

I have also ton of other things to say about the LFI even outside the Israelian / Palestinian conflict.

So yes I say this again : LFI today is as bad as RN and it shows how much they sank as a party
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Fuck didn’t think about that….

Yes, I believe in horseshoe theory that far right and far left are closer to each other than to the centre. I would even go as far to say that it’s a circle and they meet up at the same spot at a certain point.

 

[RebelliousSoma]

??
Who made you the judge

Who made you the judge? Was stating a fact.

Question marks go at the end btw.
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I worry




That's a good question. Mitterrand stopped passing socialist reforms after two years indeed. Many argue that the choices taken were bad and that they weren't ineluctable. Other alternatives existed.




Did he you should check a quick youtube video essay about socialism then. Maybe @Logiko can help you find one

You need a reality check. I don't need to check anything regarding this. Give it some more thought before being hasty to disagree.

 

[RayanOO]

Yes, I believe in horseshoe theory that far right and far left are closer to each other than to the centre. I would even go as far to say that it’s a circle and they meet up at the same spot at a certain point.

Yeah both in France don’t really want to govern and are really great in the opposition and just want for things to go worse and divide society for them to take power after

 

[Ravagerblade]

No one truly believes this not even the people using it as a fearmongering tactic to fool people. You don't have to believe me on this, believe their actions. No democrat with president aspirations will attach themselves to this election as a candidate be it president or Vice. They understand the chance of a win this year is slim to none, and would end any future attempts for them. So they are letting Kamala take the fall while they plan for 2028 because they understand the US will continue as normal after Trump because of US's built in ability to limit control and self correct.

Agenda 47.
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And here I thought democracy in the US already died in 2016

Harambe died in 2016.

 

[Roo]

And here I thought democracy in the US already died in 2016

I mean did you miss the part where the guy who won in 2016 did attempt to overturn our elections

 

[Ravagerblade]

I mean did you miss the part where the guy who won in 2016 did attempt to overturn our elections

Why you always crying? You know that's not what happened. What part of march to the capital peaceful and patriotically, do you not understand?
Anything else besides that you are misinformed.

 

[Roo]

Why you always crying? You know that's not what happened. What part of march to the capital peaceful and patrioticly, do you not understand?
Anything else besides that you are misinformed.

You're so fucking brainwashed LMAO

For those who are still wondering, yes Trump did try to change the election results. It isn't even a question at this point

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election

If you have the knowledge of the world at your fingertips and refused to inform yourself then you're a mental zombie

 

[Ravagerblade]

You're so fucking brainwashed LMAO

For those who are still wondering, yes Trump did try to change the election results. It isn't even a question at this point

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election

You're going to cite Wikipedia? haha Talk about Brainwashed.
God help your soul, because it needs saving.

 

[Natalija]

I mean did you miss the part where the guy who won in 2016 did attempt to overturn our elections

He made a mistake at the time that made some clowns overreact massively, though he tried to take it back the same afternoon. It’s bad, but I hold the rioters even more responsible for their actions - like every adult should.

It’s a far far cry from “democracy dying”.

 

[Roo]

You're going to cite Wikipedia? haha Talk about Brainwashed.
God help your soul, because it needs saving.

Oh yeah I forgot you need to cite *God Emperor Trump

Fucking lunatic
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He made a mistake at the time that made some clowns overreact massively, though he tried to take it back the same afternoon. It’s bad, but I hold the rioters even more responsible for their actions - like every adult should.

It’s a far far cry from “democracy dying”.

It wasn't just "one time", he was attempting to change the election results in several states the months preceding Jan 6.

Also how can you call it a mistake when to this day he acts as if the election was stolen?

 

[Zemmi]

I hate cancel culture and everyone knew it would eat its own one day. It should've never existed, but I would be a liar if I said I didn't enjoy watching it attack its creators.