Prejudice is the default setting because they distrust another race they are not acquainted with.
There is no such things as natural distrust for people with different skin colors in humans.

Of course this isn't true, there were also light skinned populations
No, this is literally a fact. A majority of european were black up until 8000 years ago

https://www.science.org/content/article/how-europeans-evolved-white-skin

As shown here hunter gatherer in the far noth were already pale, but others were dark skin. Chances are that the environment put more pressure on those people.

The point being that the color of skin is not genetically registered as a danger for evolution, which is logical since our ancestor were all dark skin to begin with. Which is another reason why racism is not inscribed in our biology but is a complete social construct.


man you're fairly knowledgeable so why do you fail to use common sense??
There is no such thing as common sense when we ask questions in science.

I had a doubt about the discriminations in animals, due to me not remembering the fact that some animals do indeed discriminate others based on their disabilities (or potential danger for reproduction or cohesion of the group), so I asked you the sources and I checked myself later. Simple as that.

And this lead me to understand that Humans do not discriminate other humans in the same way, which is interesting. We are really a social specie.

Understand that when I'm asking sources, I'm never in the mindset of proving the other wrong, I'm in a state of doubt and in the mindset of learning something potentially new.


That's the point, wars are often justified through discriminations/differences between the people fighting
Justified, yes. But that rarely the real reason, wars are usually a question of power and ressources. Even Hitler didn't wage war based on his ideology.


Romans propagated the idea that the Gauls were "barbarians" aka different type of humans for ex
Indeed. But the real reason was a question of domination. But those behavior are socially constructed. Wars, despite what pessimistic people will have you think, are not a consequence of our human nature, they are the consequences of the systems we live in.

In a good system were people have enough ressources to live and were there are no reasons for discrimination, there shall be no wars.


I think the fact that it is even shown in our most common ancestors and lots of social animals lends some merit to the idea that our tribal instincts are genetic
"tribal instinct" can mean a lot of things, you will have to precise that. Because as it is, I don't think that there is any proof of anything remotely comparable in our genetic.

You might wanna be talking about cognitive biases for example, that are most likely due to evolution and our need for survival. But as a social specie, we learned to override those, and therefore the tribe instinct doesn't really hold a candle. Some early humans were probably as pacifist toward others as some people on this planet right now.


biologist seldom
You just made me learn a new word, thanks.

Indeed. i'm not talking about biologist, but rather anthropologist here. Biologist don't really have a lot to say about human behaviors and usually, when some are trying to bridge the gap, it's not really pretty. See what I mean by that HERE.

Some people think that human have a fundamental nature and that this fundamental nature is egotistical. Hence the sayin "man is a wolf to man".. this is deeply flawed, we do have a form of natural egoism, but it's balanced by a evoltionnary altruism as well.. In result, we are not an homogenous specie, and our behavior will vary in function of a lot of parameters such as the social system, the climate, the cultural habbits, the beliefs etc.

Sadly, the beliefs that man is a wolf to man is hegemonic and has been one of the fundations for the system that we know today as Capitalism.

Meaning that as long as we will believe in that sayin, we will not manage to create a new path and a new system.


Of course, who doesn't ?
 
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There is no such thing as common sense when we ask questions in science.

I had a doubt about the discriminations in animals, due to me not remembering the fact that some animals do indeed discriminate others based on their disabilities (or potential danger for reproduction or cohesion of the group), so I asked you the sources and I checked myself later. Simple as that.

And this lead me to understand that Humans do not discriminate other humans in the same way, which is interesting. We are really a social specie.

Understand that when I'm asking sources, I'm never in the mindset of proving the other wrong, I'm in a state of doubt and in the mindset of learning something potentially new.
at times I tend to forget who you really are

nvm you believe what you believe not my problem
 
There is no such things as natural distrust for people with different skin colors in humans.


No, this is literally a fact. A majority of european were black up until 8000 years ago

https://www.science.org/content/article/how-europeans-evolved-white-skin

As shown here hunter gatherer in the far noth were already pale, but others were dark skin. Chances are that the environment put more pressure on those people.

The point being that the color of skin is not genetically registered as a danger for evolution, which is logical since our ancestor were all dark skin to begin with. Which is another reason why racism is not inscribed in our biology but is a complete social construct.



There is no such thing as common sense when we ask questions in science.

I had a doubt about the discriminations in animals, due to me not remembering the fact that some animals do indeed discriminate others based on their disabilities (or potential danger for reproduction or cohesion of the group), so I asked you the sources and I checked myself later. Simple as that.

And this lead me to understand that Humans do not discriminate other humans in the same way, which is interesting. We are really a social specie.

Understand that when I'm asking sources, I'm never in the mindset of proving the other wrong, I'm in a state of doubt and in the mindset of learning something potentially new.



Justified, yes. But that rarely the real reason, wars are usually a question of power and ressources. Even Hitler didn't wage war based on his ideology.



Indeed. But the real reason was a question of domination. But those behavior are socially constructed. Wars, despite what pessimistic people will have you think, are not a consequence of our human nature, they are the consequences of the systems we live in.

In a good system were people have enough ressources to live and were there are no reasons for discrimination, there shall be no wars.



"tribal instinct" can mean a lot of things, you will have to precise that. Because as it is, I don't think that there is any proof of anything remotely comparable in our genetic.

You might wanna be talking about cognitive biases for example, that are most likely due to evolution and our need for survival. But as a social specie, we learned to override those, and therefore the tribe instinct doesn't really hold a candle. Some early humans were probably as pacifist toward others as some people on this planet right now.



You just made me learn a new word, thanks.

Indeed. i'm not talking about biologist, but rather anthropologist here. Biologist don't really have a lot to say about human behaviors and usually, when some are trying to bridge the gap, it's not really pretty. See what I mean by that HERE.

Some people think that human have a fundamental nature and that this fundamental nature is egotistical. Hence the sayin "man is a wolf to man".. this is deeply flawed, we do have a form of natural egoism, but it's balanced by a evoltionnary altruism as well.. In result, we are not an homogenous specie, and our behavior will vary in function of a lot of parameters such as the social system, the climate, the cultural habbits, the beliefs etc.

Sadly, the beliefs that man is a wolf to man is hegemonic and has been one of the fundations for the system that we know today as Capitalism.

Meaning that as long as we will believe in that sayin, we will not manage to create a new path and a new system.



Of course, who doesn't ?
I just showed a study which proves prejudice towards unknown racial groups.

By the way light skinned individuals were already present in Europe, at least in the north, and even much earlier if you consider Neanderthals.
 
at times I tend to forget who you really are

nvm you believe what you believe not my problem
Who I really am ? What is this supposed to mean ? Why the free shot ?


I just showed a study which proves prejudice towards unknown racial groups.
No. If you really read the study, you would have understood that it has nothing to do with prejudice, but the lack of benevolance. This study shoes than the lack of benevolance toward an exterior group of a different stripe can be coutner by social construction (in the case of the mice, keeping them together in order to acclimate them to the difference) which will result in positive behavior later.
 
Who I really am ? What is this supposed to mean ? Why the free shot ?



No. If you really read the study, you would have understood that it has nothing to do with prejudice, but benevolance. This study shoes than the lack of benevolance toward an exterior group of a different stripe can be coutner by social construction (in the case of the mice, keeping them together in order to acclimate them to the difference) which will result in positive behavior later.
Which ultimately means prejudice towards an unknown group, just as I said.
 
A prejudice is a human concept. It doesn't apply to animals. It's a instinctive reaction that has nothing negative. The mice will simply ignore the other.
Who says that prejudice is exclusive to humankind? The fact that mices are willing to help unknown individuals from a race they are acquainted with seems to indicate they have a racial bias on the basis of past experience.
 
Who says that prejudice is exclusive to humankind?
Because prejudice is a negative opinion based on nothing rationnal. Animals can't do that.


The fact that mices are willing to help unknown individuals from a race they are acquainted with seems to indicate they have a racial bias on the basis of past experience.
It doesn't seem to have something to do with race and rather, the social interactions the rats had previously.

In fact, the experience shows that if you separate two mice from the same strain, they will not help the stranger mice coming from their own strain. Showing that it is not a question of genetic but social interactions and environement

 
Because prejudice is a negative opinion based on nothing rationnal. Animals can't do that.



It doesn't seem to have something to do with race and rather, the social interactions the rats had previously.

In fact, the experience shows that if you separate two mice from the same strain, they will not help the stranger mice coming from their own strain. Showing that it is not a question of genetic but social interactions and environement

Animals can have some sort of opinions and they are even less rational than human beings, so nothing keeps them from having prejudices according to your definition. I wouldn't even say that a prejudice is necessarily based on irrationality, for example you may have some negative experience and develop a prejudice towards a group of people.
In the experiment, race is a big factor, it's one of the criteria that influence the decision.
 
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Animals can have some sort of opinions and they are even less rational than human beings, so nothing keeps them from having prejudices according to your definition
Prejudice is the fact of having an opinion without a rationnal reason or without experience and in some case to act on that opinion. To do that, you need to be able to project yourself and stray from the path of rationnality following our cognitive biases (confirmation bias, survivor bias etc.).

Animals can't think deeply and therefore can't project beyond themselves and their ""opinions"" are always based on their experience or biology. Those are therefore rationnal reasons.

So no, they can't have prejudice.
In the experiment, race is a big factor, it's one of the criteria that influence the decision.
Not really. When you really take a deep look at the experience, you understand that race is not a real factor (since the rats will act the same way with strangers from their own strains). It has more to do with experience in relationship to the social environement.

This study actually supports my argument of racism being a social construction.
 
According to a new study published in Nature. Anti-transgender laws, including healthcare bans, have increased suicide attempts by up to 72 % in states passing such legislation:

Article speaking about the study
The study itself


Prejudice is the fact of having an opinion without a rationnal reason or without experience and in some case to act on that opinion. To do that, you need to be able to project yourself and stray from the path of rationnality following our cognitive biases (confirmation bias, survivor bias etc.).

Animals can't think deeply and therefore can't project beyond themselves and their ""opinions"" are always based on their experience or biology. Those are therefore rationnal reasons.

So no, they can't have prejudice.

Not really. When you really take a deep look at the experience, you understand that race is not a real factor (since the rats will act the same way with strangers from their own strains). It has more to do with experience in relationship to the social environement.

This study actually supports my argument of racism being a social construction.
Often words don't have very specific meanings, they are millennia-old concepts that are prone to various interpretations. A prejudice can also be directed towards an unknown person on the basis of bad experience with someone from the same ethnicity, for example. It is still a prejudice because you are judging that person without knowing them. I don't think animals are exempt from such a simple defence mechanism.
 

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I heard most of the Fentanyl gets produced in China. China is slowly killing the Yankees.
 
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Please everyone..

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Especially those who don't understand why I'm criticizing the words "illegal aliens"

A prejudice can also be directed towards an unknown person on the basis of bad experience with someone from the same ethnicity
In that case it's not a prejudice. This word exist especially because it's based on nothing rationnal and no experience, so it can't be something else.

A prejudice is a projected opinion on someone.


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So you are telling me that the Zionist movement was created on top of the oppression of jews at the times in a way to create a more virilist ways to shine ?

:wonderland::usosmug:

Why am I not surprised..


The last part about forcing Jews to breed is pure madness :crazwhat:
Yeah.. I got chills
 
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Illegal Aliens/Illegal Immigrants same thing, stop bitching about different wording. The key matter is they are breaking the Law. Why is that so harsh to grasp. Ignorance or don't care for the Laws?
 
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