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Zenos7

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Logiko said:
When the boycott is targeted factually it does as I showed before.

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Boycotts have impacts. Time to accept that mate.

If you have the choice, just tell us that you don't want to make the boycott effort instead of trying to justify your inaction by attacking those who cares.

It's not about "the morally superior products." It's about a political and targeted campaign to maximize the boycott.

BDS do not target everything, it only targets a few brands in order to maximize the impact. So it's not a question of morality, it's a question of political strategy.
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Yes just like the boycott and activism of vegetarians/vegans in the last couple of decades have drastically changed the meat industry and the mass suffering of animals, right?
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Bisoromi Bear said:
Better option
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Nah psych runs on netflix currently
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Ravagerblade said:
Tell that to pl who took the shot and are not the same anymore. It's your excuse to look the other way when the negatives are told to you. Your a gross despicable human trash.
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This is bs. It was clear from the beginning that there would be side effects. Thats true for every vaccine and every drug. Science and scientists didnt claim otherwise.

So this is either you being stupid as fuck or disingenuous. . . Or both
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Mr. Reloaded said:
Promoting McDonalds Coffee drink in a Mexican Mc D's chain isn't helping Israel nor is it supporting genocide go outside.
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And this
 
Monkey D Theories

Monkey D Theories

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Logiko said:
Not in this case. The brand bought back its franchises. 200 of them. So everything is now under the direction of McDonald and directly feeding the Israelian market.

There is no such thing as apolitical support. Either McD. support's Israel's economy and therefore indirectly support the politic of the entire country OR it does not.

Politics matter. We can't just support an apartheid country and brush off the responsibility.
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By this logic engaging in the economy in any way, shape, or form is supporting any bad thing any country does.

it doesn’t make sense, which is why I think people who moralize about this are just posturing.
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If you seriously care about Palestine and don’t feel comfortable eating at McDonald’s by all means feel free to boycott.

but there are other issues in the world and acting like everyone needs to abide by this just puts Israel/palestine on a higher pedestal than it deserves.

Any real change can only come from government action. What some actor does is tbh irrelevant, let alone what absolute nobodies choose to do.

The vast majority of the money you spend on a product goes towards the raw material and labor used to create the product. Very very little goes to profit.

Which is why again, nobody cares what you choose to spend your money on.
 
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Logiko

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Monkey D Theories said:
but there are other issues in the world and acting like everyone needs to abide by this just puts Israel/palestine on a higher pedestal than it deserves.
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Do you have an issue that is more urgent at the moment that the genocide of 40 000 people that you can have a significant impact on ?

Spoiler : There is none.

The situation in Gaza is not only important, its urgency is a TOP priority at the moment. There are thousands of people in danger of IMMINENT death!!! So yes. The world is choosing to prioritize those people at the moment.

But do not be confused. It is a FALLACY to believe that because BDS is here, that other organization are not acting for others causes and that those are not respected or highlighted.

Once again, you are creating a strawman to justify your own inaction. But everyone has their own way to fight. Do not think that because we talk about Gaza, we do not talk about other subjects. Because we do, in fact, we do it a LOT MORE than people criticizing us - like you - for not doing it enough.


Monkey D Theories said:
Any real change can only come from government action.
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Wrong

It can come from a lot of ways. Government actions is one of them, but the boycott canhelp twist the balance too just like revolutions can.

There is not one only way. There are many part to the solution.


Monkey D Theories said:
What some actor does is tbh irrelevant
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It is not.

1. Because this actor is dear to people who are touched by the conflict in their bones or values.
2. Because he is an influencer and as an influencer, Inaki holds a form of power.


Monkey D Theories said:
Which is why again, nobody cares what you choose to spend your money on.
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Go tell that to palestinians to their faces.
 
Logiko

Logiko

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Monkey D Theories said:
What the fuck are you talking about?
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I'm talking about the fact that you can't have the same impact as a group, an individual or a governement on:

- The Ouighour Genocide
- The colonization of Palestine and the appartheid
- The genocide of Gaza
- The election of Trump
- The climate change
- The Russian invasion of Ukraine
- The patriarchy of Iran
- The school shootings in USA
- The roundups of homosexuals in Russia
- The ignorance of Macron
- The rise of the far right in the world
- The killing of whales by Japan
- Capitalism
Etc..

And so, there are DIFFERENT strategies for each ones of those fights. And some are more urgent and the problem more imminent than others.

And so, it is fallacious blame those like BDS who fight through Boycott because you think that we should boycott everything else. Reality does not work that way. There is a different solution for all problem and you can't ask people to do everything at onece. Especially when you do not do the same.
 
NAMELESS

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Zenos7 said:
Yes just like the boycott and activism of vegetarians/vegans in the last couple of decades have drastically changed the meat industry and the mass suffering of animals, right?
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Nah psych runs on netflix currently
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This is bs. It was clear from the beginning that there would be side effects. Thats true for every vaccine and every drug. Science and scientists didnt claim otherwise.

So this is either you being stupid as fuck or disingenuous. . . Or both
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And this
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It was clear to people that were a bit educated. The media was saying it was 100% safe and the side effects were all a hoax.
 
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Monkey D Theories

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Logiko said:
I'm talking about the fact that you can't have the same impact as a group, an individual or a governement on:

- The Ouighour Genocide
- The colonization of Palestine and the appartheid
- The genocide of Gaza
- The election of Trump
- The climate change
- The Russian invasion of Ukraine
- The patriarchy of Iran
- The school shootings in USA
- The roundups of homosexuals in Russia
- The ignorance of Macron
- The rise of the far right in the world
- The killing of whales by Japan
- Capitalism
Etc..

And so, there are DIFFERENT strategies for each ones of those fights. And some are more urgent and the problem more imminent than others.
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Frankly, none of this is my responsibility. I didn’t cause these conflicts nor am I in a major position of power to stop them.

I felt bad about the war a while back so I donated to PCRF. If I feel bad in the future, perhaps I’ll donate some more.

But I don’t owe these people my lives and I’m not going to uproot my life and bend over backwards just because of this.

The fate of these people is simply not under my control.
 
Blax Blah

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@Logiko Kakarot may Iask, as the leader of the minks, what are your plans?

Monkey D Theories said:
Frankly, none of this is my responsibility. I didn’t cause these conflicts nor am I in a major position of power to stop them.

I felt bad about the war a while back so I donated to PCRF. If I feel bad in the future, perhaps I’ll donate some more.

But I don’t owe these people my lives and I’m not going to uproot my life and bend over backwards just because of this.

The fate of these people is simply not under my control.
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About this, something I want to mention is to not let it destroy you but to have a spirit of peace and work towards solving these issues if you are looking to, I want to change them but that will not happen by my destruction, but maybe by me learning enough to have a position of wealth to fund donations, physical mental and spiritual help, and fund other needed services and worker run and owned organisations,
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And the reason I say of destruction is because I have had and may in the future have self destructive thoughts about it,
 
Monkey D Theories

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I think it’s hard for some people to grasp exactly how powerless they are.

If someone such as myself could have stopped what’s happening in Gaza, then this conflict would have ended decades ago.

Yitzakh Rabin was an Israeli prime minister and he got assassinated due to his peace plan. If even he couldn’t stop this then I sure as hell can’t.

I can do little things like donate and maybe go to a protest or speak out when I hear something especially distasteful.

But let’s not pretend as if the little things we do to make ourselves feel better somehow alter the course of fate by drastic degrees. Sure Inaki is definitely more influential than me, and maybe he could do more.

But why should he be held to such a high standard?
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Blax Blah said:
@Logiko Kakarot may Iask, as the leader of the minks, what are your plans?


About this, something I want to mention is to not let it destroy you but to have a spirit of peace and work towards solving these issues if you are looking to, I want to change them but that will not happen by my destruction, but maybe by me learning enough to have a position of wealth to fund donations, physical mental and spiritual help, and fund other needed services and worker run and owned organisations,
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And the reason I say of destruction is because I have had and may in the future have self destructive thoughts about it,
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I think a necessary fact of life is you need to learn when it’s okay to stop caring about things.

@Uncle Van I'm sure as a cop you probably have to do this all the time.
 
Blax Blah

Blax Blah

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It is ok to want to live, it's not always easy @Monkey D Theories but I hope and I believe it will get a lot easier for you and for us all because I believe things will improve very much, at least for some time

For a bit of religious political discussion @NAMELESS when I think about improving the world I think about Revelation and how the world may turn into a far worse place anyway, and that does not take away the meaning of helping the present now, but it can be used as a discouraging thing against us, however I do think it's important to remember that we don't know how far away Revelation is, it could be after a societal collapse or after many societal collapses, and we also are not to interpret it into a message of doom when it is a message of hope, and the dooming interpretations of it may be mistaken, we don't know, but sometimes I struggle with those thoughts,
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Monkey D Theories said:
I think it’s hard for some people to grasp exactly how powerless they are.

If someone such as myself could have stopped what’s happening in Gaza, then this conflict would have ended decades ago.

Yitzakh Rabin was an Israeli prime minister and he got assassinated due to his peace plan. If even he couldn’t stop this then I sure as hell can’t.

I can do little things like donate and maybe go to a protest or speak out when I hear something especially distasteful.

But let’s not pretend as if the little things we do to make ourselves feel better somehow alter the course of fate by drastic degrees. Sure Inaki is definitely more influential than me, and maybe he could do more.

But why should he be held to such a high standard?
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I think a necessary fact of life is you need to learn when it’s okay to stop caring about things.

@Uncle Van I'm sure as a cop you probably have to do this all the time.
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You can't and I can't, but together we can,
 
Logiko

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Monkey D Theories said:
Frankly, none of this is my responsibility. I didn’t cause these conflicts nor am I in a major position of power to stop them.
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You can say the same for everything else in this case.

- If you see a man circulating strangely in front of a school, you could say that it's not your responsibility
- If you see a bunch a men beat up a woman in the streets, you could also say that it's not your responsibility.
- If you neighboor beats his wife, you could also say that it's not your responsibility.
- If there are groups of fascist hunting down black people, you could also say that it's not your responsibility.
- If there is a terrorist group in the other city but you are the only one to know, you could also say that it's not your responsibility.
- If there is a fascist candidate at the door of power, you could also say that it's not your responsibility.
- If there is a dictature in the neighboring country, you could also say that it's not your responsibility.
- If black people are enslaved in your neighboring city, you could say that it's not your responsibility.

It's up to you. I can't force you to take responsibility in front of a moral imperative when we do have a way to twist the balance.

If you don't have a choice, take care of you first. But if you have,. Think about the ways you could help. There are a few.

Blax Blah said:
@Logiko Kakarot may Iask, as the leader of the minks, what are your plans?
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Monkey D Theories said:
But why should he be held to such a high standard?
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Because he has power. Power entails responsibility. It's as simple as that.

If we do not hold people in power or with power accountable of their moral responsibility, there will be no way to create a viable society.


Blax Blah said:
You can't and I can't, but together we can,
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This
 
NAMELESS

NAMELESS

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Blax Blah said:
It is ok to want to live, it's not always easy @Monkey D Theories but I hope and I believe it will get a lot easier for you and for us all because I believe things will improve very much, at least for some time

For a bit of religious political discussion @NAMELESS when I think about improving the world I think about Revelation and how the world may turn into a far worse place anyway, and that does not take away the meaning of helping the present now, but it can be used as a discouraging thing against us, however I do think it's important to remember that we don't know how far away Revelation is, it could be after a societal collapse or after many societal collapses, and we also are not to interpret it into a message of doom when it is a message of hope, and the dooming interpretations of it may be mistaken, we don't know, but sometimes I struggle with those thoughts,
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You can't and I can't, but together we can,
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It certainly has begun. The era of apostasy is here.
 
Bisoromi Bear

Bisoromi Bear

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Logiko said:
- The Ouighour Genocide
- The colonization of Palestine and the appartheid
- The genocide of Gaza
- The election of Trump
- The climate change
- The Russian invasion of Ukraine
- The patriarchy of Iran
- The school shootings in USA
- The roundups of homosexuals in Russia
- The ignorance of Macron
- The rise of the far right in the world
- The killing of whales by Japan
- Capitalism
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This one relatively harmless soundin among the others just made me chuckle
 
Reborn

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
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Online morality police - let's boycott
companies who are supporting Israel regardless of how many people who basically has nothing to do with the crisis would go unemployed....


But here's the catch...

Just US alone under Biden - gave 20B$ foreign aid (and this is military aid and not counting economic aid) to Israel in last one year.....one year....
 
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