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Nameless was enforcing his values onto me, trying to make it seem like I'm complacent in killing people and defending drug/tobacco usage.
He made a direct comparison by saying I'm a hypocrite for calling out a CEO for abusing his power and denying people healthcare for profit. As if investing in a stock incites any comparison in the first place.
He made a direct comparison by saying I'm a hypocrite for calling out a CEO for abusing his power and denying people healthcare for profit. As if investing in a stock incites any comparison in the first place.
Where did i claim that? Care to quote me? My entire argument was that people that invest into shady industries should not be condescending that CEO.
Not forcing shit into anybody. I just called you out and gave my two cents on tobacco stocks. I didn't say shit about you killing anyone.
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Not forcing shit into anybody. I just called you out and gave my two cents on tobacco stocks. I didn't say shit about you killing anyone.
Problem is that Van is projecting false equivalencies into my posts. I never said either were equivalent. All i said that people that invest into shady shit should not be condescending that CEO, cause they ain't innocent either.
A health insurance company is not a charity organization. They are not entitled to give free expensive treatments to people that don't fit their criteria. Fraud and schemes to deny people their benefits is an entirely different matter. People are too fast to accuse the CEO dude of being a murderer. As far as we know, he wasn't condemned for no crimes. If just being a CEO of such company equals being a murderer, following the same logic, one could say investing into tobacco/alcohol/fast food/pharmaceuticals makes one complicity in that same crime. It's hypocrisy. All i'm seeing here is stupid people cheering for a senseless murder. Ironically, many of these are left wing oriented .Just goes to show the kind of people that adhere to left ideals. I'm taking a break cause i gotta party now. Bye.
Care to prove where did the CEO get condemned for such crime? As i said to Reborn, if being in such a position in that industry equals murder, investing in tobacco equals being complicity in destroying people's health. You are way to fast to judge the guy based on shady general shit that happens in that industry. Ironically, failing to see how your own logic applies to you too.
A health insurance company is not a charity organization. They are not entitled to give free expensive treatments to people that don't fit their criteria. Fraud and schemes to deny people their benefits is an entirely different matter. People are too fast to accuse the CEO dude of being a murderer. As far as we know, he wasn't condemned for no crimes. If just being a CEO of such company equals being a murderer, following the same logic, one could say investing into tobacco/alcohol/fast food/pharmaceuticals makes one complicity in that same crime. It's hypocrisy. All i'm seeing here is stupid people cheering for a senseless murder. Ironically, many of these are left wing oriented .Just goes to show the kind of people that adhere to left ideals. I'm taking a break cause i gotta party now. Bye.
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Care to prove where did the CEO get condemned for such crime? As i said to Reborn, if being in such a position in that industry equals murder, investing in tobacco equals being complicity in destroying people's health. You are way to fast to judge the guy based on shady general shit that happens in that industry. Ironically, failing to see how your own logic applies to you too.
And as I explained to you earlier, that means anyone who works in the tobacco and health industries, even if it's just a receptionist, is equally complicit in destroying lives. And it puts them in a postion where they can't call out someone in power, who is directly making decisions to kill people by denying them healthcare. It is indeed, a huge false equivalence.
Honestly looks like he's using his personal hatred of the stuff as a substitute for objectivity. His logic says someone who invests in an energy stock for the dividend payout for example, is as equally responsible as politicians waging war in the middle east for their resources. Invest in a military stock, you are as equally complicit as Vladimir Putin for destroying lives in Ukraine.
@Uncle Van
Stop arguing in bad faith and deflecting by accusing me of equating CEO with Investors( or investing with killing "thousands". lmfao. Look at this straw man). We both know your argument is a pile of bullshit. "Comparing high school bully with a mass murder". LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO The mental gymnastics and shitty comparison to deflect...
Bro, this is was your second false equivalence. I never meant that you couldn't criticize the guy that got shot down. What i meant was your critique was worthless, because at the end of the day, that guy was working for investors like you: People that put money on shady industries. If he is to blame for any supposed deaths, so are the people he works for. Going by your antics and reasoning, you can be a target of the same accusations. Again, you fail to see how your logic applies to you.
Money and strategic decisions are what runs an industry. Cleaning fucking floors doesn't matter. Anyone can do that. Most employees are replaceable. Their salaries are going to someone either way. Investing and administrating does matter. In fact, it's the very meat and bones of any business. Investors and CEO are both involved, be it directly or not.
Investors grow industries. While CEOs run the Orchestra. "CEOs work for investors profits"-Uncle Van. Don't act like financing stuff doesn't matter. It does and it can land you in jail if you finance illicit. If you don't care about it(financing tobacco), its a matter of diverging morals.If financing doesn't matter,I guess people that buy drugs have nothing to do with the bloodshed caused by organized crime either. Making business with the Nazis, Isis, Al-Qaed and so on is harmless too.
You are equating CEO and Investors to fucking Janitors. Again, who is making false equivalencies here? I already told you that i don't give a fuck about what you do with your money. If you think you ain't doing anything wrong, its up to you.
It sounds to me, YOU want me to agree that there is nothing wrong with investing into poison(aka tobacco) and back down from my statements on "blood money". Talk about enforcing values. If you don't care about what i say, why even debate for over 10 pages?
Just stop cooking mental gymnastics to save face and pretending there is no hypocrisy in your attitude of looking down on a family man that was murdered over nothing under the assumption that he was a murderer, cause at this point it is just disgusting and embarrassing.
Still waiting for you to prove any fraud(or any illicit) committed by the CEO(i'm not update with the news). Once again, i never equated being a CEO to being a Investor(or being equally responsible for that matter). You projected that. Here are the posts that prove who said what:
I doubt you even care about this debate. You are just instigating like Toby and Solis. Probably trying to bait me into a ban hammer like you did the other day.
False. The morality of investing on a ambiguous industry such as energy/military boils down to not investing in especific companies doing shady shit. Tobacco does no good to anyone. The entire industry is fucked up. False equivalencies again.
Now, plz stop quoting me cause i'm tired of saying the same thing over and over again. It's getting ridiculous. You acting like c4n. Looks like gaslighting to me.
Stop arguing in bad faith and deflecting by accusing me of equating CEO with Investors( or investing with killing "thousands". lmfao. Look at this straw man). We both know your argument is a pile of bullshit. "Comparing high school bully with a mass murder". LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO The mental gymnastics and shitty comparison to deflect...
Bro, this is was your second false equivalence. I never meant that you couldn't criticize the guy that got shot down. What i meant was your critique was worthless, because at the end of the day, that guy was working for investors like you: People that put money on shady industries. If he is to blame for any supposed deaths, so are the people he works for. Going by your antics and reasoning, you can be a target of the same accusations. Again, you fail to see how your logic applies to you.
Money and strategic decisions are what runs an industry. Cleaning fucking floors doesn't matter. Anyone can do that. Most employees are replaceable. Their salaries are going to someone either way. Investing and administrating does matter. In fact, it's the very meat and bones of any business. Investors and CEO are both involved, be it directly or not.
Investors grow industries. While CEOs run the Orchestra. "CEOs work for investors profits"-Uncle Van. Don't act like financing stuff doesn't matter. It does and it can land you in jail if you finance illicit. If you don't care about it(financing tobacco), its a matter of diverging morals.If financing doesn't matter,I guess people that buy drugs have nothing to do with the bloodshed caused by organized crime either. Making business with the Nazis, Isis, Al-Qaed and so on is harmless too.
You are equating CEO and Investors to fucking Janitors. Again, who is making false equivalencies here? I already told you that i don't give a fuck about what you do with your money. If you think you ain't doing anything wrong, its up to you.
It sounds to me, YOU want me to agree that there is nothing wrong with investing into poison(aka tobacco) and back down from my statements on "blood money". Talk about enforcing values. If you don't care about what i say, why even debate for over 10 pages?
Just stop cooking mental gymnastics to save face and pretending there is no hypocrisy in your attitude of looking down on a family man that was murdered over nothing under the assumption that he was a murderer, cause at this point it is just disgusting and embarrassing.
Still waiting for you to prove any fraud(or any illicit) committed by the CEO(i'm not update with the news). Once again, i never equated being a CEO to being a Investor(or being equally responsible for that matter). You projected that. Here are the posts that prove who said what:
Also, that guy was just an employee. If that company did something immoral, the owners and investors are to blame.
"My industry is less scummy"
I agree that big pharma and healthcare in general are more fucked up, but that doesn't make tobacco, alcohol, other drugs or fast food less fucked up. Some people are destined to get addicted to those and die due to neurological, genetical and psychological reasons. Financing anything that can take away people's freedom of choice, and harm their health in the process, is messed up imo.
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"My industry is less scummy"
I agree that big pharma and healthcare in general are more fucked up, but that doesn't make tobacco, alcohol, other drugs or fast food less fucked up. Some people are destined to get addicted to those and die due to neurological, genetical and psychological reasons. Financing anything that can take away people's freedom of choice, and harm their health in the process, is messed up imo.
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I doubt you even care about this debate. You are just instigating like Toby and Solis. Probably trying to bait me into a ban hammer like you did the other day.
False. The morality of investing on a ambiguous industry such as energy/military boils down to not investing in especific companies doing shady shit. Tobacco does no good to anyone. The entire industry is fucked up. False equivalencies again.
Now, plz stop quoting me cause i'm tired of saying the same thing over and over again. It's getting ridiculous. You acting like c4n. Looks like gaslighting to me.
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Ain't nothing moral nor immoral about it. I was specifically criticizing a CEO for denying healthcare and causing deaths. You said I'm a hypocrite for calling him out and applied logic that says everyone is complicit.
All this because I'm invested in a tobacco company that focuses on reducing the effects of tobacco and create smoke free zones.
All this because I'm invested in a tobacco company that focuses on reducing the effects of tobacco and create smoke free zones.