I read about what happened to those people living in nazi germany who tried standing up to the government.

tbh, it seems like they died meaningless deaths. They might name a street or something after Sophie Scholl, but it was the Soviets that conquered Berlin, not some activists.
If someone were to enter this thread for the first time, this post here is all they'd need to see to know what to think about you.
What a shameful way to disrespect people who have courage and choose to act on it.
I'll go even further: cowards live meaningless lives.

I’m genuinely confused. Are you actually that dense or are you actually that desperate for an argument?
The latter.
He replaced me with you once I stopped entertaining him.
 
Meaningless deaths..?

It was not meaningless. They died for what was right. They were brave.
What they died for was right and it was brave, but

it didn’t stop the Holocaust, nor did it stop the regime.

I think there is something admirable about those who die for an ideal. But also I think the concept of martyrdom is quite toxic. There is an element of foolishness in it that I think society fails to realize.

human life is very important and people shouldn’t give it up, nor encourage others to give it up, lightly.

Ultimately life is complicated. There are times when one must fight and there are times it’s better not too. Personally I’d be extremely hesitant to throw my life away if I wasn’t certain it would make a significant difference.
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Insurgents fought Nazis all over Europe. Look up French and Polish resistance.
perhaps those people had a bigger impact, haven’t read too much about them

but in school I did read about the German college students who handed out anti-nazi pamphlets and got executed for it

there cause was righteous and it is good society honors people such as that, to uphold the values they died for

I suppose that is the meaning of their death. So they can be an example of virtue or something.

but I just really struggle with the idea of people throwing away their lives on whims like that. People shouldn’t be dispensable like that.
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If you are an american you must defend the staple of its constitution, otherwise what's the point of being one?

Saying "I was born in america I did not swear an oath" sounds disingenous. It's the ultimate escapism. Being part of a culture and having a nationality should mean something, sharing a culture and common ideals. Otherwise you just reinforce the stereotype of the immigrate that comes only for the money.
Perhaps there will come a day and time I will need to fight for my nation. I cannot say what I would do then, but I hope I do the right thing, whatever that might be.

What I can say, is that time is surely not now.
 
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Like i understand some real deranged people write here, but flexing of being an immigrant proud of not caring about the culture that hosts you and faster you is insane
We should all care for the well being of each other. I’m not proud to be an American or Colombian, I don’t think nationality is something to be proud of. But I do care about these places and want what’s best for them. Same goes to the rest of the world.
 
Probably not…like I said, it’s not just a financial matter; I don’t think I have it in me to be a good father, and I’d rather not bring a child into the world if I can’t give it the life it deserves :hapnoel:
Ok, i respect that.
What they died for was right and it was brave, but

it didn’t stop the Holocaust, nor did it stop the regime.

I think there is something admirable about those who die for an ideal. But also I think the concept of martyrdom is quite toxic. There is an element of foolishness in it that I think society fails to realize.

human life is very important and people shouldn’t give it up, nor encourage others to give it up, lightly.

Ultimately life is complicated. There are times when one must fight and there are times it’s better not too. Personally I’d be extremely hesitant to throw my life away if I wasn’t certain it would make a significant difference.
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perhaps those people had a bigger impact, haven’t read too much about them

but in school I did read about the German college students who handed out anti-nazi pamphlets and got executed for it

there cause was righteous and it is good society honors people such as that, to uphold the values they died for

I suppose that is the meaning of their death. So they can be an example of virtue or something.

but I just really struggle with the idea of people throwing away their lives on whims like that. People shouldn’t be dispensable like that.
You realize there are smarter ways to be useful in such a scenario, right? There were people literally infiltrating concentration camps to scout things in there.
 
Probably not…like I said, it’s not just a financial matter; I don’t think I have it in me to be a good father, and I’d rather not bring a child into the world if I can’t give it the life it deserves :hapnoel:
My wife really wants kids, but even she’s having second thoughts with everything that’s happening. Well probably give it a go when we’re closer to 40
 
We should all care for the well being of each other. I’m not proud to be an American or Colombian, I don’t think nationality is something to be proud of. But I do care about these places and want what’s best for them. Same goes to the rest of the world.
I believe that an immigrant has more duties than a natural born citisen, starting from the fact that the citizen is part of a culture that immigrant want to be part of, so as a starting point the immigrant owes to the country that hosts me.
I find repugnant immigrating and spitting on the values that allowed you to built your life, and extremely entitled.
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My wife really wants kids, but even she’s having second thoughts with everything that’s happening. Well probably give it a go when we’re closer to 40
Do it now man, the later the more issues you can have.
 
I believe that an immigrant has more duties than a natural born citisen, starting from the fact that the citizen is part of a culture that immigrant want to be part of, so as a starting point the immigrant owes to the country that hosts me.
I find repugnant immigrating and spitting on the values that allowed you to built your life, and extremely entitled.
It’s a nuanced subject. Do you believe you should become an atheist if you move to a country like Japan? You should respect culture and traditions, and never impose your traditions on your host country.

idk where you’re from but on this side of the world, most of us aren’t native to these lands. America is a mishmash of cultures and it will continue to absorb different traditions in the future. Same goes to almost every country in this continent. It was not that big of an issue for me in the first place since my culture and values have always been “western” in nature.
 
It’s a nuanced subject. Do you believe you should become an atheist if you move to a country like Japan? You should respect culture and traditions, and never impose your traditions on your host country.

idk where you’re from but on this side of the world, most of us aren’t native to these lands. America is a mishmash of cultures and it will continue to absorb different traditions in the future. Same goes to almost every country in this continent. It was not that big of an issue for me in the first place since my culture and values have always been “western” in nature.
I prefer not to dox myself, sorry if it's a bit psychotic.
Let's say I am from EU.
Most us immigrants come from community that share the same catolic/cristian set of values, the modern crisis of the clash of cultures is a first seen phenomenon on this scale.
Now we have people with culture clashing orthogonal with each other and no shared set of values living together, and we pretend that diversity is strength, when community are vanishing and everyone is more isolated than ever.
Just 500 years ago there were religion wars in Europe, imagine.
 
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