Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

When a Superhero is meant to give hope.. this is what it means:

Just because you say it. Whatever.

I would love for it not to be the case trust me. But sadly... liberals are the reason why we do not progress on the left.

Now saying you want to teach the basics to the people is your excuse for having no arguments at all and just keep talking a bunch of nothing

No. this means that the subject is too hard to understand on the first go. Mostly because there are too much counter culture, thinking and biases in the path.

To talk to you about antipsychiatry (for example), I need to talk to you about institutionnalization first, but to understand that, I need to talk to you about psychiatrization first and so on, through materialism, capitalism, Foucault, dominations system etc.

There are too many subjects that we need to tackle before I can talk to you about that without you going "you are a scientific denier" or "you are just making stuff up because no arguments". It's needs to be a step by step process.

But you are proving to me, for the moment, that you are not willing to listen to me, respect me or have a good faith conversation with me.

So I will wait.

Another bunch of nothing. Just say US instead.

No. The US is the country as an entity, what I means it's the functionning parts of said country.

To make a metaphor, when you are learn about human biology on a dead man, you do not call the circulatory system by the name of the dead person. You call it circulatory system.

Naming thing is important to udnerstand what we are talking about.

Thanks for making my point

No. Your point essentialized the IDF/the governement of Israel with all Israelians.

Essentialization is the basis for genocides and dehumanizations. It's important not to do that.

 

[HerreraIsBack]

I would love not to be the case trust me. But sadly... liberals are the reason why we do not pogress on the left.

The left is the reason why the world doesn't progress

No. this means that the subject is too hard to understand on the first go. Mostly because there are too much counter culture, thinking and biases in the path.

To talk to you about antipsychiatry (for example), I need to talk to you about institutionnalization first, but to understand that, I need to talk to you about psychiatrization first and so on, through materialism, capitalism, Foucault, dominations system etc.

There are too many subjects that we need to tackle before I can talk to you about that without you going "you are a scientific denier" or "you are just making stuff up because no arguments". It's needs to be a step by step process.

But you are proving to me, for the moment, that you are not willing to listen to me, respect me or have a good faith conversation with me.

So I will wait.

You can't make your point without made up words that only make sense to you. You don't have a point at all.

No. The US is the country as an entity, what I means it's the functionning parts of said country.

To make a metaphor, when you are learn about human biology on a dead man, you do not call the circulatory system by the name of the dead person. You call it circulatory system.

Naming thing is important to udnerstand what we are talking about.

But in this case you meant the US as a whole. Specially when talking about politics that the whole country is involved at them.

No. Your point essentialized the IDF/the governement of Israel with all Israelians.

Essentialization is the basis for genocides and dehumanizations. It's important not to do that.

Is like Nazis saying they are not against Jews just the ones protecting them.

 

[Logiko]

You can't make your point without made up words that only make sense to you. You don't have a point at all.

If you search correctly, you will see that everything I say is based on either scientific or philosophical or activist work.
I'm here to explain the words you do not understand, if you have questions.

But in this case you meant the US as a whole. Specially when talking about politics that the whole country is involved at them.

No. But I think this point is argue over anyway

Is like Nazis saying they are not against Jews just the ones protecting them.

What ? (I didn't understand your point)

 

[HerreraIsBack]

Hey, you remembered how to spell correctly! You’re welcome for the grammar lesson

I really appreciate getting corrected like that

Anyway, if you’re dumb enough to think I’m saying criminals should run free, then we’re already starting off on different pages…I know you don’t like reading or research, but Chicago’s crime rate is lower than places like Houston or Phoenix, both in deep red states, so why aren’t we focusing on where the real trouble is??
https://www.newsweek.com/chicago-crime-rate-compared-trump-threatens-cracdown-2119052
Plus, most police forces suck up 70-80 percent of any given city’s budget, you’re telling me these domestic abusing fucks can’t keep law and order with that much financial power?? Sounds like a major flaw in the system if you ask me, which you did!!

I'm smart enough to know that's essentially what you are saying. Because you didn't criticized the effectiveness of what Trump is doing or even condemned crime. You simply said that US president trying to do something against crime is wrong.

Yes DC is not the most dangerous place of US and crime rate has being lowering since 2023 which is the most recent peak but that doesn't mean nothing should be done because crime rate is still high. I made a post about it here not long ago comparing to Brazil cities like Brasilia (another capital) and Rio de Janeiro. And the crime rate of DC for a 1st world country is absurd!

DC being the capital of US and where Trump lives is more than obvious that he should focus first there and then in other places.

Now this is a VERY interesting take…what year do you think it is??
If anything, Donnie’s family is the closest thing we have to modern day slaveholders; they used to write songs about how racist his daddy was
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Man_Trump
And again, I know you have a tenuous relationship with facts and evidence, but Donnie has been a public figure for half a century, so there is ample proof of his feelings towards minorities; you don’t have to agree or like it for it to be true, baby boy
https://burnett-lynn.medium.com/donald-trumps-deep-white-supremacist-roots-64fe9d860adc
Now, unless you can come up with a defense that isn’t off the top of your delusional dome or asking loaded questions instead of crafting an actual argument, how about you sit down and take some quiet time? Christ, you’re making Ravager look so much better, at least he occasionally includes low quality YouTube videos to back him up

Can't call them real slave owners so you made up modern day slaveholders. Whatever makes your hipocrisy logic feels better.

"They used to write songs" one person wrote a song and never actually sang it?

Thanks to ChatGPT I did my search. Trump Father was never confirmed to be a KKK member. There is no confirmation of donation of the KKK to Trump's campaign. Trump's campaign rejected the KKK support. Giving KKK history from the Democractic party it would make sense for them to do that to lower Trump's popularity.

So there is no roots.
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If you search correctly, you will see that everything I say is based on either scientific or philosophical or activist work.
I'm here to explain the words you do not understand, if you have questions.

I don't want to understand such words. If you with all that knowledge can't explain in a simple way then you don't know nothing you just repeat words that you hear/read somewhere else.

What ? (I didn't understand your point)

Your argument is that you only call Nazi the ones defending Israeli (IDF and Governament) and not the people. So basically you hate IDF and Israel Governament and not Israeli people. What would be the same as saying Nazis didn't hated Jews just the ones defending them. Because without IDF and Israel Governament all those arabs would have killed all the Israeli just like Nazis tried to do with Jews but people protected them.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

I'm smart enough to know that's essentially what you are saying. Because you didn't criticized the effectiveness of what Trump is doing or even condemned crime. You simply said that US president trying to do something against crime is wrong.

Yes DC is not the most dangerous place of US and crime rate has being lowering since 2023 which is the most recent peak but that doesn't mean nothing should be done because crime rate is still high. I made a post about it here not long ago comparing to Brazil cities like Brasilia (another capital) and Rio de Janeiro. And the crime rate of DC for a 1st world country is absurd!

DC being the capital of US and where Trump lives is more than obvious that he should focus first there and then in other places.

How has Donnie been effective? He has the National Guard cleaning up trash on the sidewalks because there just isn’t enough crime going on to justify their presence! Can you produce a single piece of evidence that his tactics have had any positive effects? Didn’t realize I had to condemn crime to be against it, who the fuck supports crime?? Do you have any critical thinking skills at all??

Thanks to ChatGPT

Guess not!!

Can't call them real slave owners so you made up modern day slaveholders. Whatever makes your hipocrisy logic feels better.

"They used to write songs" one person wrote a song and never actually sang it?

Thanks to ChatGPT I did my search. Trump Father was never confirmed to be a KKK member. There is no confirmation of donation of the KKK to Trump's campaign. Trump's campaign rejected the KKK support. Giving KKK history from the Democractic party it would make sense for them to do that to lower Trump's popularity.

So there is no roots.

Since you’re evidently incapable of using your real one, go tell your computer brain to find me something about other presidents being descended from slaveholders; shouldn’t be too hard if their families have been around enough, but just taking a wild guess here, something tells me Obama at the very least won’t be on that list. As for the rest, again, you aren’t providing any actual facts, you’re just bloviating into the void, so what reason do I have to take you seriously?? Moreover, why am I arguing about a guy who continuously defends Nazis and pedophiles? Wait, actually, I get why you’re supporting the latter…how low did you say you wanted the age of consent to be? 14? 13?
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https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0096144219858599
“Never confirmed to be a KKK member” Then why was he present/arrested during the raid?? Was he there for the fucking refreshments?? Jesus, if Herrera ain’t the dumbest son of a bitch here…

 

[NikaInParis]

How has Donnie been effective? He has the National Guard cleaning up trash on the sidewalks because there just isn’t enough crime going on to justify their presence! Can you produce a single piece of evidence that his tactics have had any positive effective? Didn’t realize I had to condemn crime to be against it, who the fuck supports crime?? Do you have any critical thinking skills at all??

Guess not!!


Since you’re evidently incapable of using your real one, go tell your computer brain to find me something about other presidents being descended from slaveholders; shouldn’t be too hard if their families have been around enough, but just taking a wild guess here, something tells me Obama at the very least won’t be on that list. As for the rest, again, you aren’t providing any actual facts, you’re just bloviating into the void, so what reason do I have to take you seriously?? Moreover, why am I arguing about a guy who continuously defends Nazis and pedophiles? Wait, actually, I get why you’re supporting the latter…how low did you say you wanted the age of consent to be? 14? 13?
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https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0096144219858599
“Never confirmed to be a KKK member” Then why was he present/arrested during the raid?? Was he there for the fucking refreshments?? Jesus, if Herrera ain’t the dumbest son of a bitch here…

You're arguing against a guy that already got banned once for racism. Thankfully our mods are very tolerant and forgiving

 

[Jew D. Boy]

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/08/15/politics/donald-trump-david-duke-charlottesville
Any Democratic presidents ever been endorsed by the KKK? He didn’t even disavow Duke until weeks after the endorsement; if I wasn’t a virulent racist, I would have done it the second it happened
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You're arguing against a guy that already got banned once for racism. Thankfully our mods are very tolerant and forgiving

I know, but it’s just so easy to make him look like a clown and I’m bored at work, so here we are…

 

[Logiko]

I don't want to understand such words. If you with all that knowledge can't explain in a simple way then you don't know nothing you just repeat words that you hear/read somewhere else.

Like in our other conversation. I'm trying to explain... but an exchange goes both way.
I tried to explain those things so many times and I revieved only hatred, deny and laugh in return from mostly everyone, so now. I'm waiting for people to either ask, or be willing to have a normal conversation.

I'd love for people here to understand that what i'm trying to explain, is not simple stuff. It's not intuitive (at first), so it must be approached step by step.

Your argument is that you only call Nazi the ones defending Israeli (IDF and Governament) and not the people.

No.
Those who defend Israel are not called Nazi by me just because of that, usually, they said some other stuff that are Nazi like.
Usually, I call ou those who defend Israel like that:
- Genocide apologist
- Genocide deniar
- Complicite in the invisibilization of a genocide

So basically you hate IDF and Israel Governament and not Israeli people

I do not "hate" the IDF, hate is something that does not really rings with me. Hate is dehumanization, it's considering the other as subhuman, and I never do that.

But yeah. I want the IDF gone, even through violence if necessary. I want they to be brought to justice and the army to be disassembled.

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Now, you are saying that without the IDF, palestinians (I'll ignore the essentialization) would've killed the Israelian.

First, no. Since there are also allies of Palestinians in Israel.
Second, without the army of Israel, there wouldn't have been a colonization in the first place, there wouldn't have been 70 years of oppression and massacres against Palestinian in and out of Gaza. Hate wouldn't be the same.

Now, yeah, palestinian would most likely be fighting against the settlers, but this doesn't mean that there would be necessary a bloodbath. This is like saying that native American would kill European stellers if they had no army when they came. What would you think would have happenned if European came without the desire to exploit the land and the people there and to colonize the entire territory?

 

[Jew D. Boy]

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...ke-says-of-course-trump-voters-are-his-voters
Straight from the horse’s ass himself…is ChatGPT telling you to have any thoughts on this @HerreraIsBack??
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Kinda impressive how Herrera has become my new favorite punching bag in record time…

 

[HerreraIsBack]

How has Donnie been effective? He has the National Guard cleaning up trash on the sidewalks because there just isn’t enough crime going on to justify their presence! Can you produce a single piece of evidence that his tactics have had any positive effective? Didn’t realize I had to condemn crime to be against it, who the fuck supports crime?? Do you have any critical thinking skills at all??

The police is first to PREVENT crime then later to CATCH the criminal. Just being there is enoug to reduce crime. If there is no crime for them to act then their mere presence is proving to be effective.

Guess not!!

Because???

Since you’re evidently incapable of using your real one, go tell your computer brain to find me something about other presidents being descended from slaveholders; shouldn’t be too hard if their families have been around enough, but just taking a wild guess here, something tells me Obama at the very least won’t be on that list. As for the rest, again, you aren’t providing any actual facts, you’re just bloviating into the void, so what reason do I have to take you seriously?? Moreover, why am I arguing about a guy who continuously defends Nazis and pedophiles? Wait, actually, I get why you’re supporting the latter…how low did you say you wanted the age of consent to be? 14? 13?

Not sure if I ever said what the age of consent should be. I say that here in Brazil is 14 and it works just well. Some arabic countries it is 12. But 18 is totally unreasonable and illogical.

About Obama...

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTU...xt=Obama's great,based on 1850 census records

https://www.tampabay.com/archive/20...lave-ownership-by-obama-s-maternal-ancestors/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...xt=Reitwiesner traced Obama's great,old woman

 

[Jew D. Boy]

The police is first to PREVENT crime then later to CATCH the criminal. Just being there is enoug to reduce crime. If there is no crime for them to act then their mere presence is proving to be effective.

False equivalence right here; the only way you can “prevent” crime is preemptively striking people who haven’t actually done anything wrong yet, which is exactly what fascists do for crowd control. If the crime rate hasn’t shown any discernible changes, then having the National Guard isn’t really doing shit since things are holding steady, and again, they’re out there like felons on the highway with vests and trash bags…for an administration that claims to be “America First,” misappropriating taxpayer money on a frivolous display of power and intimidating the populace doesn’t line up!! 🤯😒

Because???

If you don’t understand this one without an explanation, you’re not gonna get it with one either

Not sure if I ever said what the age of consent should be. I say that here in Brazil is 14 and it works just well. Some arabic countries it is 12. But 18 is totally unreasonable and illogical.

About Obama...

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTU...xt=Obama's great,based on 1850 census records

https://www.tampabay.com/archive/20...lave-ownership-by-obama-s-maternal-ancestors/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...xt=Reitwiesner traced Obama's great,old woman

Aight, I’m big enough to admit I’m wrong on this one…doesn’t change anything I said about the Trump klan, but this country was literally founded on the backs of African slaves so we shouldn’t be surprised that other presidents would have this in their background

 

[Uncle Van]

@Jew D. Boy single handedly made this thread entertaining. Don't know why it feels like Jim Carrey going off on people but it does lol

 

[Jew D. Boy]

@Jew D. Boy single handedly made this thread entertaining. Don't know why it feels like Jim Carrey going off on people but it does lol

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again…

I am the funniest person on a small-time anime forum and have accomplished absolutely nothing else of note

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Man I see so many people talk to themselves here it's really tiring

Genocide apologist
- Genocide deniar

Lerrera ain't the only Brazilian assclown here who fits this description

@HerreraIsBack
Why do you even care so much about US events that don't affect you, you can't even vote for the cunt you're defending. What about taking a look at your own country's genocidal policies?
Talk to the wall because I'm not un-ignoring you to read your response

 

[HerreraIsBack]

Like in our other conversation. I'm trying to explain... but an exchange goes both way.
I tried to explain those things so many times and I revieved only hatred, deny and laugh in return from mostly everyone, so now. I'm waiting for people to either ask, or be willing to have a normal conversation.

I'd love for people here to understand that what i'm trying to explain, is not simple stuff. It's not intuitive (at first), so it must be approached step by step.

It is simple stuff you just overcomplicate it to feel intellectual about it.

No.
Those who defend Israel are not called Nazi by me just because of that, usually, they said some other stuff that are Nazi like.
Usually, I call ou those who defend Israel like that:
- Genocide apologist
- Genocide deniar
- Complicite in the invisibilization of a genocide

You will really be this low and say you didn't understand that I meant physically defend Israel. Like an army. And not ideologically/politically?

I do not "hate" the IDF, hate is something that does not really rings with me. Hate is dehumanization, it's considering the other as subhuman, and I never do that.

But yeah. I want the IDF gone, even through violence if necessary. I want they to be brought to justice and the army to be disassembled.

Can you please realize how hypocrite/incoherent you are being here?

Now, you are saying that without the IDF, palestinians (I'll ignore the essentialization) would've killed the Israelian.

First, no. Since there are also allies of Palestinians in Israel.
Second, without the army of Israel, there wouldn't have been a colonization in the first place, there wouldn't have been 70 years of oppression and massacres against Palestinian in and out of Gaza. Hate wouldn't be the same.

Now, yeah, palestinian would most likely be fighting against the settlers, but this doesn't mean that there would be necessary a bloodbath. This is like saying that native American would kill European stellers if they had no army when they came. What would you think would have happenned if European came without the desire to exploit the land and the people there and to colonize the entire territory?

There is no essentialization. I really meant arabs because Israel historically was attacked by many arabic countries nearby. So saying just palestinians would be wrong.

Well your first no is wrong because those racists nazis don't care if you are pro palestine or not they would kill like they would kill a jew.

Your second means you don't know about history. British was in charge of that region before giving it to the born of Israel state. And before that was the Otaman Empire. There was no oppresion or massacre against Palestinians at all. By the opposite they tried to exterminate Israel from day 1 and failed over and over again.

Native americans wasn't so organized as people can easily be as today. I don't know what they thought of Europeans were at time. But they do had a lot of war between themselves for territory just like Europe used to as well (and still has nowaday). Europe would have no reason to come here without the intention to exploit and make it grown like Europe did.
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Lerrera ain't the only Brazilian assclown here who fits this description

@HerreraIsBack
Why do you even care so much about US events that don't affect you, you can't even vote for the cunt you're defending. What about taking a look at your own country's genocidal policies?
Talk to the wall because I'm not un-ignoring you to read your response

You ignored me and then send me a message or you ignored me after sending the message?

I don't care if you reply or not, actually I rather if you don't. But I won't ignore that.

Why would I not care about US events just because is far from where I live and I cannot vote for their presidency? Why I defend Trump?

Well I don't defend Trump but only his ideas that I also agree with. I also have many disagreetments with Trump I've being saying here a lot recently about Russia. And yea I'm very grateful for Trump for what his is doing putting Alexandre de Moraes under Magnitisky Law for his dictatorship in Brazil.

But anyway, I care because I care about human beings all over the planet. I also care about what is happening in Ukraine, Europe as a whole, Asia, Africa etc. And why would you send that message to me when everyone here is talking about events all over the world?

My own country genocidal policies would be what exactly? Guess I will never know...
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False equivalence right here; the only way you can “prevent” crime is preemptively striking people who haven’t actually done anything wrong yet, which is exactly what fascists do for crowd control. If the crime rate hasn’t shown any discernible changes, then having the National Guard isn’t really doing shit since things are holding steady, and again, they’re out there like felons on the highway with vests and trash bags…for an administration that claims to be “America First,” misappropriating taxpayer money on a frivolous display of power and intimidating the populace doesn’t line up!! 🤯😒

You are ignorant on the matter. No criminal wanna do any crime in front of police or even if there is police nearby. Just having more police at street, patrol etc helps to reduce the crime.

And how are crime rates not changed but at the same time there is no crime for National Guard to deal with? Those two can't be true at same time.

Aight, I’m big enough to admit I’m wrong on this one…doesn’t change anything I said about the Trump klan, but this country was literally founded on the backs of African slaves so we shouldn’t be surprised that other presidents would have this in their background

Funny to see how you suddenly changed your reproval of this matter since you can't blame Trump on it. But I agree. It is absurd to pull guilty into someone who lives today about what someone who lived 200 years ago in their family did.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

You are ignorant on the matter. No criminal wanna do any crime in front of police or even if there is police nearby. Just having more police at street, patrol etc helps to reduce the crime.

And how are crime rates not changed but at the same time there is no crime for National Guard to deal with? Those two can't be true at same time.

You’ll forgive me if I dismiss that “ignorant” comment from someone with your track record…and again, crime prevention entails more than just standing around armed to the fucking teeth in random neighborhoods, they’re not actually helping in any tangible way. I never said there was no crime, but all the numbers show that the rate wasn’t higher than usual before he called in reinforcements and it doesn’t seem to have increased OR decreased yet, so there’s visibly no need for more police when there isn’t more crime. Run that through ChatGPT if you need it in simpler terms, I’m already explaining this as slowly as I can…

Funny to see how you suddenly changed your reproval of this matter since you can't blame Trump on it. But I agree. It is absurd to pull guilty into someone who lives today about what someone who lived 200 years ago in their family did.

You don’t seem to understand this, so I’ll hold your hand through it - Trump is every bit as complicit in fomenting racial discord as anyone else who’s held his office (if not more so), I can’t help it if you refuse to do a 30 second Google search (slightly less erratic than your AI of choice) and see all the proof that’s been published for 50 years and you clearly can’t comprehend the idea that a fire has to be the source of the smoke. Owning slaves in the 1800s is only disqualifying if the guy who called white supremacists “very fine people” after Charlottesville is also held accountable, one is MUCH more immediately concerning than the other. This isn’t just a generational thing, he has been repeatedly called to task for his race baiting in his own time, it’s only his defenders who seem to think he arrived out of the ether squeaky clean in 2015 because they can’t remember any further back than that.
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No, you bearded ghoul, you pray because actually taking action to keep people safe would disrupt the revenue flow of the gun market you run and you don’t wanna risk pissing off the NRA…nobody’s attacking you for your beliefs, we’re attacking you for not following through on them

 

[HerreraIsBack]

You’ll forgive me if I dismiss that “ignorant” comment from someone with your track record…and again, crime prevention entails more than just standing around armed to the fucking teeth in random neighborhoods, they’re not actually helping in any tangible way. I never said there was no crime, but all the numbers show that the rate wasn’t higher than usual before he called in reinforcements and it doesn’t seem to have increased OR decreased yet, so there’s visibly no need for more police when there isn’t more crime. Run that through ChatGPT if you need it in simpler terms, I’m already explaining this as slowly as I can…

Just being there doing nothing while armed is enough to help reduce. Again no criminal would commit a crime in front of officer's face or knowing there is one nearby. Plus just saying that crimes wasn't higher than usual is very vague and doesn't means much. The usual compared to what? And even if it is the usual, if the usual is high crime rate that means you should do nothing about it? This is not an argument.

And ChatGPT helped me again, just like before with Obama's slaveholders family members, and it seems that we had a significantly dropped in crimes in such a short period (less than 20 days)

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dc-cri...-deployments-analysis/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dc-cri...-deployments-analysis/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

You don’t seem to understand this, so I’ll hold your hand through it - Trump is every bit as complicit in fomenting racial discord as anyone else who’s held his office (if not more so), I can’t help it if you refuse to do a 30 second Google search (slightly less erratic than your AI of choice) and see all the proof that’s been published for 50 years and you clearly can’t comprehend the idea that a fire has to be the source of the smoke. Owning slaves in the 1800s is only disqualifying if the guy who called white supremacists “very fine people” after Charlottesville is also held accountable, one is MUCH more immediately concerning than the other. This isn’t just a generational thing, he has been repeatedly called to task for his race baiting in his own time, it’s only his defenders who seem to think he arrived out of the ether squeaky clean in 2015 because they can’t remember any further back than that.

You the one who doesn't understand, or worse you understand but you are being hypocrite on purpose as you already admitted.

What I said about not blaming people of today about ancestors actions of 200 years ago has nothing to do with Trump but the very Obama. You just need to make everything about Trump. But anyway black people did good at Trump's governament not something that should happen if he was racist or something. Just like Palestinian population and Arabic population inside Israel growing despite the false accusations of genocide.

 

[Logiko]

It is simple stuff you just overcomplicate it to feel intellectual about it.

If everything was simple, we would agree instantly on everything.

But as you can see in the other conversation, it's not a simple task to be simple about such complicated subjects, it requiere a lot of explanations. Once you we will be synchronized, you will see that none of what I'm saying is an overcomplication. It's actually quite the opposite.

You will really be this low and say you didn't understand that I meant physically defend Israel. Like an army. And not ideologically/politically?

Sorry, I missread. I thought you were talking about the defense by words.

Yes, those guys are Nazi or more precisely, acting like Nazis. Definitely yeah. There is the entire package with those assholes.

Can you please realize how hypocrite/incoherent you are being here?

Are you sure about that ?
For me, hatred has the value of dehumanization. This means that if I hated someone, I would view them less valuable than humans and animals. That I would consider their existence as usueless. But I can't do that, even for genociders. It's beyond me.

This is still coherent with the wish of wanting the IDF gone as the IDF is commiting forced stavation, apartheid, tortures, war crimes, journalist killing and overall, a genocide.

If violence is necessary to stop a criminal action, violence is the ETHICAL thing to do. It doesn't mean we have to see people as sub-human while we are fighting.

But before talking about violence, we can already ask for the colonial and apartheid state of Israel and the IDF to be dismantled. That would be a start.

Well your first no is wrong because those racists nazis don't care if you are pro palestine or not they would kill like they would kill a jew.

Your second means you don't know about history. British was in charge of that region before giving it to the born of Israel state. And before that was the Otaman Empire. There was no oppresion or massacre against Palestinians at all. By the opposite they tried to exterminate Israel from day 1 and failed over and over again.

I will not have this debate for now. Let's leave it at that.

Native americans wasn't so organized as people can easily be as today.

There are nuances to this. There were wars, yes. but the native of Abya Laya were exceptionnally organized. Of course, not to the point of today's nations, but the organizations of societies, the way they interacted, the technological wonders they achieved, the level of political awereness they had..

It was on a different level. Conquerors had the technology and the weapon, Natives had the awereness and the hearth of the land. (and i'm not saying that in the cringe way, it was a real political structure system were the land was not private property but a shared environement). A little 500 more years and they would have developped one of the most advanced civilization of the planet. Do NOT underestimate those people.

Once europpeans started their conquest, there were already actions of resistance, organized groups, and strategies of rebellion. It just happen that those colonizers were stronger.

At first, a lot of Europpean were welcomed as friends.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

If violence is necessary to stop a criminal action, violence is the ETHICAL thing to do. It doesn't mean we have to see people as sub-human while we are fighting.

You're pro self defense after all?!?!?

It was on a different level. Conquerors had the technology and the weapon,

and the contagious diseases. Don't underestimate their impact. Entire regions were depopulated before directly coming in contact because disease traveled faster.

A little 500 more years and they would have developped one of the most advanced civilization of the planet. Do NOT underestimate those people.

Tenochtitlán >> Constantinople btw

There are nuances to this. There were wars, yes. but the native of Abya Laya were exceptionnally organized. Of course, not to the point of today's nations, but the organizations of societies, the way they interacted, the technological wonders they achieved, the level of political awereness they had..

yoire talking to a guy who probably thinks indigenous Americans were too dumb to invent the wheel and lIVed iN The STOnE aGe because they used obsidian knives.

Abya Laya

Can you tell me what language this is?

 

[Logiko]

You're pro self defense after all?!?!?

I'm pro resistance. I'm on the side of the oppressed, not the oppressors.

Any oppressed nation has the right to resist an oppressive nation.

and the contagious diseases. Don't underestimate their impact. Entire regions were depopulated before directly coming in contact because disease traveled faster.

Yup, also, sometimes intentionnally distributed.

Can you tell me what language this is?

It comes from the Guna poeple, in Panama. A delegation proposed this term and it has been used since then by natives and sociologists. I'm using this term to be respectfull when I'm talking about the genocide of native Americans by Europeans.