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There is no -ism meaning no ideology in the posters you mentioned. They just fools. As in ideologies are well structured.
I’m trying to imagine this entire thread reading French theory all day now
To be fair, belittling someone’s opinion as « Wikipedia article » is often seen as disrespectful.
Zizek is Zizek. Not the speaker of worldwide scholars. Especially when he makes people think that post modernist can both refer to philosophers like Lyotard and wannabe dictators like Trump at the same time. Trump is a populist like there has always been. Listen to how Mussolini behaves and what he says, I’m sure he could be called post modernist by this definition of « he uses irony to make fun of facts » and whatnot. So could be said the same about any demagogues who are trying to kill democracy. I really don’t see the appeal nor the interest or the point in this definition. It’s almost like he is making an artistic reading of reality and views Trump as a novel.
I’m trying to imagine this entire thread reading French theory all day now
To be fair, belittling someone’s opinion as « Wikipedia article » is often seen as disrespectful.
Zizek is Zizek. Not the speaker of worldwide scholars. Especially when he makes people think that post modernist can both refer to philosophers like Lyotard and wannabe dictators like Trump at the same time. Trump is a populist like there has always been. Listen to how Mussolini behaves and what he says, I’m sure he could be called post modernist by this definition of « he uses irony to make fun of facts » and whatnot. So could be said the same about any demagogues who are trying to kill democracy. I really don’t see the appeal nor the interest or the point in this definition. It’s almost like he is making an artistic reading of reality and views Trump as a novel.
There is no -ism meaning no ideology in the posters you mentioned. They just fools. As in ideologies are well structured.
I’m trying to imagine this entire thread reading French theory all day now
To be fair, belittling someone’s opinion as « Wikipedia article » is often seen as disrespectful.
Zizek is Zizek. Not the speaker of worldwide scholars. Especially when he makes people think that post modernist can both refer to philosophers like Lyotard and wannabe dictators like Trump at the same time. Trump is a populist like there has always been. Listen to how Mussolini behaves and what he says, I’m sure he could be called post modernist by this definition of « he uses irony to make fun of facts » and whatnot. So could be said the same about any demagogues who are trying to kill democracy. I really don’t see the appeal nor the interest or the point in this definition. It’s almost like he is making an artistic reading of reality and views Trump as a novel.
I’m trying to imagine this entire thread reading French theory all day now
To be fair, belittling someone’s opinion as « Wikipedia article » is often seen as disrespectful.
Zizek is Zizek. Not the speaker of worldwide scholars. Especially when he makes people think that post modernist can both refer to philosophers like Lyotard and wannabe dictators like Trump at the same time. Trump is a populist like there has always been. Listen to how Mussolini behaves and what he says, I’m sure he could be called post modernist by this definition of « he uses irony to make fun of facts » and whatnot. So could be said the same about any demagogues who are trying to kill democracy. I really don’t see the appeal nor the interest or the point in this definition. It’s almost like he is making an artistic reading of reality and views Trump as a novel.
Either way, this is the way postmodernism is being used now. That's how it was explained to me in college, especially when it relates to modern political movements.
Yes he happens to be.
As for your political definition. I could agree on an analysis perspective. I’d be cool with saying something like « in a post modern era of information, when truth doesn’t matter etc etc Trump embodies this archetype of the system ». But saying that Trump is this -ism without him having the single idea of what this school of thinking is doesn’t sound right to me. At best « post modernist » becomes an insult.
As for your political definition. I could agree on an analysis perspective. I’d be cool with saying something like « in a post modern era of information, when truth doesn’t matter etc etc Trump embodies this archetype of the system ». But saying that Trump is this -ism without him having the single idea of what this school of thinking is doesn’t sound right to me. At best « post modernist » becomes an insult.
This man is legit. But his projection here is not.
What he is doing here, is apply his notions of post-modernism to the surface of who Trump is. Leaving out everything else (his political actions, his political values) by only using ONE face of what actually is post-modernism in its globality on only ONE surface of Trump's character.
There is what Trump looks like, his mannerism, his attitude as a leader, and there is what Trump thinks and do. And they are completely different. (which is why I'm trying my hardest to warn people of his dangerosity here)
And I told you already, I do understand why this Philosopher uses this analogy, but we should NOT called Post-modernism precisely because Trump has a MODERNIST and REACTIONNARY vision of the world. ( and uses the same types of actions too). Trump is not just a deconstruction of what a leader is, cynical and ironical in appearance. It's a MIX of the heritage of the worst of post-modernism (complete reversal of the modern "enlightened" leader"), with the worst of Modernism.
So yeah. In a sense, I can grant you that Trump DO HAS traces of post-modernism heritages in him. But his political vision completely bypass ALL the surface level.
And modernism is what Trump transpires in reality outside of his appearance
And in reality, this means that Trump is a racist, Imperialist, mysogynistic and colonist essentialist piece of **** that thinks the world revolves around white people like him.
And this means that when reactionnarism comes into the matter, no matter how much cynism or irony we put in our words, if we promotes thoses reactionnary BS, we are not post-modernist, but the pure unhinge result of the modern age capitalistic era.
What he is doing here, is apply his notions of post-modernism to the surface of who Trump is. Leaving out everything else (his political actions, his political values) by only using ONE face of what actually is post-modernism in its globality on only ONE surface of Trump's character.
There is what Trump looks like, his mannerism, his attitude as a leader, and there is what Trump thinks and do. And they are completely different. (which is why I'm trying my hardest to warn people of his dangerosity here)
And I told you already, I do understand why this Philosopher uses this analogy, but we should NOT called Post-modernism precisely because Trump has a MODERNIST and REACTIONNARY vision of the world. ( and uses the same types of actions too). Trump is not just a deconstruction of what a leader is, cynical and ironical in appearance. It's a MIX of the heritage of the worst of post-modernism (complete reversal of the modern "enlightened" leader"), with the worst of Modernism.
So yeah. In a sense, I can grant you that Trump DO HAS traces of post-modernism heritages in him. But his political vision completely bypass ALL the surface level.
And modernism is what Trump transpires in reality outside of his appearance
And in reality, this means that Trump is a racist, Imperialist, mysogynistic and colonist essentialist piece of **** that thinks the world revolves around white people like him.
And this means that when reactionnarism comes into the matter, no matter how much cynism or irony we put in our words, if we promotes thoses reactionnary BS, we are not post-modernist, but the pure unhinge result of the modern age capitalistic era.
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Post modernism may mean many things depending on context.
Logiko controversy aside, The way you're using it here is, while indeed legitimate, symptom of a more general fragmentation of society leading to eventual retribalization of society.
which is but merely the other side of the 'speak your truth' coin: the abandonment of a society where a few (political establishment) authorities are seen as the holders of absolute truth. Because the problem with this always has been that many groups in society don't feel represented by the mainstream, be it for ideological, ethnic, cultural, religious or other reasons.
In short: agreed upon social and religious consensus is merely a vehicle to express shares identity.
Since imperial-sized identity is and always has been unnatural, this fragmentation of not only outward but also the psychological and emotional fragmebtat of society was bound to happen.
Logiko controversy aside, The way you're using it here is, while indeed legitimate, symptom of a more general fragmentation of society leading to eventual retribalization of society.
which is but merely the other side of the 'speak your truth' coin: the abandonment of a society where a few (political establishment) authorities are seen as the holders of absolute truth. Because the problem with this always has been that many groups in society don't feel represented by the mainstream, be it for ideological, ethnic, cultural, religious or other reasons.
In short: agreed upon social and religious consensus is merely a vehicle to express shares identity.
Since imperial-sized identity is and always has been unnatural, this fragmentation of not only outward but also the psychological and emotional fragmebtat of society was bound to happen.
