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Billionaires have companies that make hundreds of billions each year for their shareholders. And you potentially compare it to taxes from a country of millions of citizens with a public service to finance. I get the anarcho capitalist pov. But you’re wrong to think it’s equivalent. If it’s not democratically controlled, it will never serve your interests
True, I was a novice when it came to internet exchanges so it was a big shock for me seeing people spew so much hatred online. That's where the anger came from, not from personal experience. Regardless, my sharp words against you came solely from your opinions that were being discussed. I'm not really interested in talking about your personal life.
Problem is that you guys see people making a tons of money while others have nothing as a problem. It isn't. They are not stealing. Some people are just hyper productive, while others are useless. It is a sad reality. If i were God, everyone would be as amazing John D. Rockfeller. I don't like the sight of misery as much as you guys don't. But the reality is that i'm not God. People are not equal. Poverty will always exist because some people just don't have the tools to thrive.
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Great.
Begone, only angry mofos are allowed in this debate.
AI can synthesize tons of information much better than any human brain ever will. It isn't 100% accurate, though, so it should be used along with actual reliable sources too.
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Great.
Begone, only angry mofos are allowed in this debate.
AI can synthesize tons of information much better than any human brain ever will. It isn't 100% accurate, though, so it should be used along with actual reliable sources too.
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People are not equal by skills and poverty might actually always exist indeed. But it doesn’t change the fact that billionaires are frauds. Wether it’s from their so called merit of being billionaires or by the over priced product they sell or how they underpay their workers or how they treat them very badly at work. Not even mentioning how they couldn’t care less about climate change and whatnot.
Some billionaires are frauds? True. All of them? No, don't be silly. Just look up those celebrities. Who did singers and actors exploit? How about soccer players? Are they evil capitalists too? I keep saying that leftism is the ideology of envy because you guys pretend everyone that is rich became so by taking from others, which is just objectively false.
Those are not billionaires.
Most musicians are created by committees, used as tools and cranked out one a dozen, see disney children or Britney as example, chewed out, used, and spat out.
Footballers are millionaires and their career lasts 5/6 years in the average case scenario, and there are millions of Football players that never make it.
Still, plenty of caes of nepotism exist.
A billionaire takes from others because it buys their time to produce something, otherwise he wouldn't need to employ anyone.
But feel free to give me an example of ONE billionaires that never exploited anyone.
Most musicians are created by committees, used as tools and cranked out one a dozen, see disney children or Britney as example, chewed out, used, and spat out.
Footballers are millionaires and their career lasts 5/6 years in the average case scenario, and there are millions of Football players that never make it.
Still, plenty of caes of nepotism exist.
A billionaire takes from others because it buys their time to produce something, otherwise he wouldn't need to employ anyone.
But feel free to give me an example of ONE billionaires that never exploited anyone.
I did, you answered something else. Not my question.
+3 Millions, mainly to to the consequences of the introduction of big economical measures
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0140673609600052
For someone to be rich, another has to be poor.
If you are ok with that, we have a problem.
Btw you didn't answer about the difference between 1 million and 1 billion
It further proves my point about this forum.
Can you use chatgpt to try to verify what I'm saying please ?
+3 Millions, mainly to to the consequences of the introduction of big economical measures
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0140673609600052
For someone to be rich, another has to be poor.
If you are ok with that, we have a problem.
Btw you didn't answer about the difference between 1 million and 1 billion
C4N being used as an insult from everyone on both sides of the political spectrum is fucking gold
Can you use chatgpt to try to verify what I'm saying please ?
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There is only a handful of celebrity who are billionaires. They sell crappy movies. It’s a different business than selling crap like Jeff Bezos. But they don’t deserve all that money to the point of not knowing what to do with it and doing pointless stuff or just re investing their money in luxury hostels in the West Bank like Leonardo DiCaprio.
Soccer players don’t deserve hundreds of millions either. Having so much money just because you’re basically in a business that looks like a TikTok trend is silly. Talent or hard work should lead to other ways of recognitions than infinite money.
And yes you only become rich through business. Wether it’s Tom Cruise selling films for his cult or Neymar playing football to get ridiculous amounts of money. You’re mixing everything up.
Also trying to counter that with reversing what envy means is really dishonest. Peak manipulation of language from you there.
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Sounds like they had a Joe Biden stutter and their brain just repeated the same insults.
I overestimated soccer players, but there is one among them, and Cristiano is pretty much closer to a billion than 0, so honorary billionaire.
https://www.jagranjosh.com/general-knowledge/list-of-richest-footballers-in-the-world-1686137700-1
But musicians are different beasts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_music_artists_by_net_worth
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Why do you think you can judge who deserves what? If they did honest work, then they earned every cent they own. Soccer players earn more than teachers because soccer is more fun than education, and people pay more for it. It is as simple as that. You probably have a couple of valuables in your house that you haven't touched and are collecting dust in a forgotten corner of your house. That doesn't mean people are entitled to your shit. You are the one confused, buddy. That is not how the world works ever. The left wants re-distributtion of wealth. That is theft in my book. So, yes, envy is the appropriate word for this.
https://www.jagranjosh.com/general-knowledge/list-of-richest-footballers-in-the-world-1686137700-1
But musicians are different beasts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_music_artists_by_net_worth
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Why do you think you can judge who deserves what? If they did honest work, then they earned every cent they own. Soccer players earn more than teachers because soccer is more fun than education, and people pay more for it. It is as simple as that. You probably have a couple of valuables in your house that you haven't touched and are collecting dust in a forgotten corner of your house. That doesn't mean people are entitled to your shit. You are the one confused, buddy. That is not how the world works ever. The left wants re-distributtion of wealth. That is theft in my book. So, yes, envy is the appropriate word for this.
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I said this before, and I will say it again: You guys have a hateful bias against billionaires. An easy way to become a billionaire is to invent some groundbreaking shit and profit from royalties. Henry Ford is a good example of this. But nah, you will say he stole the surplus money from the work of his employees, who didn't invent any cars and didn't revolutionize the industrial process.
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That's not what marxisme explains mate. Economy is not a 0-sum game. You didn't understand that Surplue values is something that is accaparated by the exploiters ON TOP OF what workers are already paid to produce!! There is no such thing as exploiter giving 1 to receive 1.
Under capitalism, the exploiter gives 1 so the worker creates 2 and the system captures the rest through exploitation !
This is how rich people get richer and poor people get poorer. This is simple sociologic, economic and well.. mathematic logic. This is not hard to understand and I KNOW FOR A FACT that everyone here already experienced this before, you included.
- When your boss asked you to stay for the compagny late after work to get a "BoNuS"
- When the condition of work were not related to pure salary commodities but a race toward productivity.
I worked in fast food restauration. I know for a FACT that I wasn't paid for the amount of work I produced when I was so hypnotised by the idea of pleasing my manager and doing more to be considered more, when what I did NEVER improved my material condition of existences.
It took just a few month for me to get burned out because no one told me that overdoing that during studies was risky for the health.
How can you justify a system like this and say, yeah.. "not all billionnaires" ?
When you are stuck in a belief you do not want to question, that's what a personnal truth is mate.
Under capitalism, the exploiter gives 1 so the worker creates 2 and the system captures the rest through exploitation !
This is how rich people get richer and poor people get poorer. This is simple sociologic, economic and well.. mathematic logic. This is not hard to understand and I KNOW FOR A FACT that everyone here already experienced this before, you included.
- When your boss asked you to stay for the compagny late after work to get a "BoNuS"
- When the condition of work were not related to pure salary commodities but a race toward productivity.
I worked in fast food restauration. I know for a FACT that I wasn't paid for the amount of work I produced when I was so hypnotised by the idea of pleasing my manager and doing more to be considered more, when what I did NEVER improved my material condition of existences.
It took just a few month for me to get burned out because no one told me that overdoing that during studies was risky for the health.
How can you justify a system like this and say, yeah.. "not all billionnaires" ?
When you are stuck in a belief you do not want to question, that's what a personnal truth is mate.