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Problem is that you guys see people making a tons of money while others have nothing as a problem. It isn't. They are not stealing. Some people are just hyper productive, while others are useless. It is a sad reality. If i were God, everyone would be as amazing John D. Rockfeller. I don't like the sight of misery as much as you guys don't. But the reality is that i'm not God. People are not equal. Poverty will always exist because some people just don't have the tools to thrive.
Great.
Begone, only angry mofos are allowed in this debate.
AI can synthesize tons of information much better than any human brain ever will. It isn't 100% accurate, though, so it should be used along with actual reliable sources too.
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Great.
Begone, only angry mofos are allowed in this debate.
AI can synthesize tons of information much better than any human brain ever will. It isn't 100% accurate, though, so it should be used along with actual reliable sources too.
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People are not equal by skills and poverty might actually always exist indeed. But it doesn’t change the fact that billionaires are frauds. Wether it’s from their so called merit of being billionaires or by the over priced product they sell or how they underpay their workers or how they treat them very badly at work. Not even mentioning how they couldn’t care less about climate change and whatnot.
Some billionaires are frauds? True. All of them? No, don't be silly. Just look up those celebrities. Who did singers and actors exploit? How about soccer players? Are they evil capitalists too? I keep saying that leftism is the ideology of envy because you guys pretend everyone that is rich became so by taking from others, which is just objectively false.
Those are not billionaires.
Most musicians are created by committees, used as tools and cranked out one a dozen, see disney children or Britney as example, chewed out, used, and spat out.
Footballers are millionaires and their career lasts 5/6 years in the average case scenario, and there are millions of Football players that never make it.
Still, plenty of caes of nepotism exist.
A billionaire takes from others because it buys their time to produce something, otherwise he wouldn't need to employ anyone.
But feel free to give me an example of ONE billionaires that never exploited anyone.
Most musicians are created by committees, used as tools and cranked out one a dozen, see disney children or Britney as example, chewed out, used, and spat out.
Footballers are millionaires and their career lasts 5/6 years in the average case scenario, and there are millions of Football players that never make it.
Still, plenty of caes of nepotism exist.
A billionaire takes from others because it buys their time to produce something, otherwise he wouldn't need to employ anyone.
But feel free to give me an example of ONE billionaires that never exploited anyone.
I did, you answered something else. Not my question.
+3 Millions, mainly to to the consequences of the introduction of big economical measures
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0140673609600052
For someone to be rich, another has to be poor.
If you are ok with that, we have a problem.
Btw you didn't answer about the difference between 1 million and 1 billion
It further proves my point about this forum.
Can you use chatgpt to try to verify what I'm saying please ?
+3 Millions, mainly to to the consequences of the introduction of big economical measures
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0140673609600052
For someone to be rich, another has to be poor.
If you are ok with that, we have a problem.
Btw you didn't answer about the difference between 1 million and 1 billion
C4N being used as an insult from everyone on both sides of the political spectrum is fucking gold
Can you use chatgpt to try to verify what I'm saying please ?
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There is only a handful of celebrity who are billionaires. They sell crappy movies. It’s a different business than selling crap like Jeff Bezos. But they don’t deserve all that money to the point of not knowing what to do with it and doing pointless stuff or just re investing their money in luxury hostels in the West Bank like Leonardo DiCaprio.
Soccer players don’t deserve hundreds of millions either. Having so much money just because you’re basically in a business that looks like a TikTok trend is silly. Talent or hard work should lead to other ways of recognitions than infinite money.
And yes you only become rich through business. Wether it’s Tom Cruise selling films for his cult or Neymar playing football to get ridiculous amounts of money. You’re mixing everything up.
Also trying to counter that with reversing what envy means is really dishonest. Peak manipulation of language from you there.
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Sounds like they had a Joe Biden stutter and their brain just repeated the same insults.
I overestimated soccer players, but there is one among them, and Cristiano is pretty much closer to a billion than 0, so honorary billionaire.
https://www.jagranjosh.com/general-knowledge/list-of-richest-footballers-in-the-world-1686137700-1
But musicians are different beasts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_music_artists_by_net_worth
Why do you think you can judge who deserves what? If they did honest work, then they earned every cent they own. Soccer players earn more than teachers because soccer is more fun than education, and people pay more for it. It is as simple as that. You probably have a couple of valuables in your house that you haven't touched and are collecting dust in a forgotten corner of your house. That doesn't mean people are entitled to your shit. You are the one confused, buddy. That is not how the world works ever. The left wants re-distributtion of wealth. That is theft in my book. So, yes, envy is the appropriate word for this.
https://www.jagranjosh.com/general-knowledge/list-of-richest-footballers-in-the-world-1686137700-1
But musicians are different beasts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_music_artists_by_net_worth
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Why do you think you can judge who deserves what? If they did honest work, then they earned every cent they own. Soccer players earn more than teachers because soccer is more fun than education, and people pay more for it. It is as simple as that. You probably have a couple of valuables in your house that you haven't touched and are collecting dust in a forgotten corner of your house. That doesn't mean people are entitled to your shit. You are the one confused, buddy. That is not how the world works ever. The left wants re-distributtion of wealth. That is theft in my book. So, yes, envy is the appropriate word for this.
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I said this before, and I will say it again: You guys have a hateful bias against billionaires. An easy way to become a billionaire is to invent some groundbreaking shit and profit from royalties. Henry Ford is a good example of this. But nah, you will say he stole the surplus money from the work of his employees, who didn't invent any cars and didn't revolutionize the industrial process.
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That's not what marxisme explains mate. Economy is not a 0-sum game. You didn't understand that Surplue values is something that is accaparated by the exploiters ON TOP OF what workers are already paid to produce!! There is no such thing as exploiter giving 1 to receive 1.
Under capitalism, the exploiter gives 1 so the worker creates 2 and the system captures the rest through exploitation !
This is how rich people get richer and poor people get poorer. This is simple sociologic, economic and well.. mathematic logic. This is not hard to understand and I KNOW FOR A FACT that everyone here already experienced this before, you included.
- When your boss asked you to stay for the compagny late after work to get a "BoNuS"
- When the condition of work were not related to pure salary commodities but a race toward productivity.
I worked in fast food restauration. I know for a FACT that I wasn't paid for the amount of work I produced when I was so hypnotised by the idea of pleasing my manager and doing more to be considered more, when what I did NEVER improved my material condition of existences.
It took just a few month for me to get burned out because no one told me that overdoing that during studies was risky for the health.
How can you justify a system like this and say, yeah.. "not all billionnaires" ?
When you are stuck in a belief you do not want to question, that's what a personnal truth is mate.
Under capitalism, the exploiter gives 1 so the worker creates 2 and the system captures the rest through exploitation !
This is how rich people get richer and poor people get poorer. This is simple sociologic, economic and well.. mathematic logic. This is not hard to understand and I KNOW FOR A FACT that everyone here already experienced this before, you included.
- When your boss asked you to stay for the compagny late after work to get a "BoNuS"
- When the condition of work were not related to pure salary commodities but a race toward productivity.
I worked in fast food restauration. I know for a FACT that I wasn't paid for the amount of work I produced when I was so hypnotised by the idea of pleasing my manager and doing more to be considered more, when what I did NEVER improved my material condition of existences.
It took just a few month for me to get burned out because no one told me that overdoing that during studies was risky for the health.
How can you justify a system like this and say, yeah.. "not all billionnaires" ?
When you are stuck in a belief you do not want to question, that's what a personnal truth is mate.
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Unless you are a highly skilled laborer that took years to master something that very few people in the world can do, you provide 0 extra value. Anyone can clean dishes, push buttons, and say "Hello!" Do you want fries with your burger?" Blue-collar people get little money because there are a ton of people that can do the exact same thing they can do. This is scarcity at work.
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Btw, there is truth and there is bullshit. You can deny gravity all you want, but if you jump from a plane without a parachute, you will get hurt. Relativism is dumb. There is no modern philosophy, only demagogy and bullshit.
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Ford wanted to give the surplus to his employees indeed. He was sued by his shareholders and created a precendeny that the only purpose of a company is to increase the value of the shares, not to give more to employees.
You should understand the examples you write before you post them, do you even know how to read?
You literally posted as an example a WRONG EXAMPLE.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Co.
You should understand the examples you write before you post them, do you even know how to read?
You literally posted as an example a WRONG EXAMPLE.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Co.
You didn't understand my sarcasm. What part of "factory workers are brainless idiots that only push buttons, therefore don't deserve to get paid any more than their time is worth" don't you understand? Ford was a genius. He became rich by changing the fucking game. If advanced robots were a thing, most factory workers could be substituted by them. You guys overestimate the value of doing menial jobs.
Mate, I just explained to you a burn out from a fast food compagny. How do you think it happen ? By just WORKING?
Being at those compagny LITERALLY means being asked to be a multitask "employee". This means being payed only for one task when I gave a production of MULTIPLE.
When you are being asked to stay after hour "for the compagny" > You give more
Shortenned break > You give more
Teaching a collegue when it's not in your salary > You give more
Working faster ? > YOU GIVE MORE
Working with a smile ? > YOU FUCKING GIVE MORE
What are you not understanding in the words "being socially pushed to GIVE MORE ?" What I described is not just some random CEO work, it's what I experienced in a fast food compagny when I was paid peanuts.
This is Capitalism!
It accapparates the surplue value of the worker. This means sweat, emotions, skill, money, time, strenght, vital forces. And ALL OF THAT ends up in the end of the exploiting system with the idea that "productivity" is the future.
IT'S A FUCKING SCAM
Being at those compagny LITERALLY means being asked to be a multitask "employee". This means being payed only for one task when I gave a production of MULTIPLE.
When you are being asked to stay after hour "for the compagny" > You give more
Shortenned break > You give more
Teaching a collegue when it's not in your salary > You give more
Working faster ? > YOU GIVE MORE
Working with a smile ? > YOU FUCKING GIVE MORE
What are you not understanding in the words "being socially pushed to GIVE MORE ?" What I described is not just some random CEO work, it's what I experienced in a fast food compagny when I was paid peanuts.
This is Capitalism!
It accapparates the surplue value of the worker. This means sweat, emotions, skill, money, time, strenght, vital forces. And ALL OF THAT ends up in the end of the exploiting system with the idea that "productivity" is the future.
IT'S A FUCKING SCAM