Controversial General Political Discussion

[HerreraIsBack]

If you can't believe a woman that tells you that she was raped, then trust me.
I'm not the problem.

You are the problem because you don't believe women lie

Saying this while completely ignoring a scenario where the option of not needing proof to judge is wild. But since you are using bad faith, here is a clearer exemple for you:

If a man kills another man in front of you. You don't have to wait for the delivering of a justice tribunal to call the man a murderer.

This is what not needing justice to judge means.

I'm a witness of the crime. It wasn't the case in your rape scenario. You are dishonest.

I will ignore this for your sake.

You will ignore because it is true

Your world has nothing to do with science mate, I'm very sorry. I'm trying to be respectfull but don't push the buttons here.

Learn about science, leanr about SOCIAL science too and then you will come back to me to try to lecture me about science.

Another bunch of nothing you said here with the same old I'm better than you and you can't hold a discussion with me because you don't understand the things I do

Never said "lived better". I said that there are things that were better, like for example, the distributions of tasks.

You are confusing everything I say while purpusely ignoring 50% of the actual content.. which is really starting to bug me off at the moment since I'm doing major effort to be nice.

Fair enough I may be wrong about this then.

I checked TWICE everything.

No you didn't. You ignored the entire paragraph


Here it is again :

My word is final

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

You are the problem because you don't believe women lie


I'm a witness of the crime. It wasn't the case in your rape scenario. You are dishonest.


You will ignore because it is true


Another bunch of nothing you said here with the same old I'm better than you and you can't hold a discussion with me because you don't understand the things I do


Fair enough I may be wrong about this then.


My word is final

Who is the real retard here, Herrera, let's be honest.
You know you are talking with a retard, you know beforehand and yet you still engage.
You guys all should stop replying to him, it's clearly unhealthy for all people involved.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Absolutely and utterly : NO

Fascism is PURELY capitalist. And historically placed at the far right of the political spectrum.

Fascism is literally what Capitalism can do when there is no barrier (libertarianism) and when they are reactionnary values added to the mix.

For exemple, Eugenism, is an extention of ableism that also exist and is pushed by fascism.

Fascism is a perfect product of capitalism.

This is tbh propaganda leftists use to slander capitalism by equating it with fascism.

irl fascists and capitalists want very different things.

Take Elon Musk. Elon might do the Nazi salute and back Trump. But at the end of the day, there is a stark divide between Musk and actual Nazis.

The difference being that whereas Elon has come out publicly in support of H1-B visas, actual Nazis despise the H1-B program as it lets immigrants, often from India and other non-white countries, benefit at (from their perspective) the expense of white people.

Fascists are willing to limit the extent of capitalism for the sake of the collective(however that is defined).

But they are not as extreme as the socialist in wanting to abolish private property

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Hence I’d argue they are a mid point between neoliberalism and socialism, but it is often worse than either.

 

[Zenos7]

When you are stuck in a belief you do not want to question, that's what a personnal truth is mate.

ironic.

 

[Logiko]

You are the problem because you don't believe women lie

You are confusing not believing that women can lie and thinking that women who risk their mental, economic, social and physical life when they call out a man will very rarely lie.

If you consider that a woman is lying to you when she tells you that she was raped. You are a danger for women. Plain and simple.

I'm a witness of the crime. It wasn't the case in your rape scenario. You are dishonest.

No, it's the same. What you are refusing is the body of evidences showing that women do not lie in this situation the absolute majority of the time.

Therefore, you are doing the same thing as not believing yourself if you saw a murder. Or if a group of friend told you that there was a murder. You are rejecting a body of converging evidences.

And you are doing the same thing with capitalism.

You will ignore because it is true

No I ignored that because it was racist and I don't want to deal with that with the lack of moderation on this thread. I already have enough hatefull rethoric.

Fair enough I may be wrong about this then.

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My word is final

Your word is wrong. You are avoiding the question.

It's as simple as that.

This is tbh propaganda leftists use to slander capitalism by equating it with fascism.

No, this is historical fact my guy. I'm relaying the words of historian, not just leftists here. This is a logic that is not hard to understand if you let me explain.

irl fascists and capitalists want very different things.

No they are not.
There are difference, yes, but not as big as you may think.

Take Elon Musk. Elon might do the Nazi salute and back Trump. But at the end of the day, there is a stark divide between Musk and actual Nazis.

Elon is LITERALLY a Nazi advocater and defender bro. And I think you do not understand that Nazism is just ONE type of fascism. We don't call out Elon just because he made a bad Nazi salute (which was not a roman Salute btw, Roman never used that, and which was actually a Nazi)

Elon is a white surpremacist and an eugenist. He is a fascist through and through.

Fascists are willing to limit the extent of capitalism for the sake of the collective(however that is defined).

No. They do the opposite.

They strike down the collective. They diseappear unions. Fascism is the last tool of the bourgeoisie to impose it's dominance.

ironic.

Indeed.

People who call themselves "rationnal" but do not use ethics, materialism or social sciences to look beyond their horizon are doomed to fall into the WORST traps of reactionnarism.

This is why I already warned you about Richard Dawkins, who is now considered an Eugenist by the left. And a person with a problem of ethics by scientists.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Clearly there's a problem with Immigration, Letting to many people in at one time etc.
Not having them assimilate etc.

 

[Logiko]

Clearly there's a problem with Immigration, Letting to many people in at one time etc.
Not having them assimilate etc.

Japan has always been a racist country. The refusal of SOME of the far right sympathizer is nothing new. This country should open the borders massively to immigration. They need it.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Japan has always been a racist country. The refusal of SOME of the far right sympathizer is nothing new. This country should open the borders massively to immigration. They need it.

Gladly you don't make Japan's decisions. It doesn't need massive immigration, It's own population needs better work standards, wage etc.
That and hopefully with government benefits to them having children. The pop, is unhappy from what I heard.

Once again you a piece of shit, Trying to tell other people what to do, a sign of a Piece of shit.

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Oh look, the opposite has happened, and yet another one of the usual suspects does crime.

 

[HerreraIsBack]

Who is the real retard here, Herrera, let's be honest.
You know you are talking with a retard, you know beforehand and yet you still engage.
You guys all should stop replying to him, it's clearly unhealthy for all people involved.

Maybe you are not wrong

 

[Logiko]

Gladly you don't make Japan's decisions. It doesn't need massive immigration, It's own population needs better work standards, wage etc.
That and hopefully with government benefits to them having children. The pop, is unhappy from what I heard.

Once again you a piece of shit, Trying to tell other people what to do, a sign of a Piece of shit.

wow.

I triggered you it seems. You are lucky I'm refusing to send back the hate bra.

Japan is dying of old age. They needs immigration. It's just a fact. And yeah, you are right, they need better working conditions. And also the end of patriarchy and far right BS in their country. This means, the rise of leftism in the institutions.

Oh look, the opposite has happened, and yet another one of the usual suspects does crime.

Do you prefer videos over statistics ?

Maybe you are not wrong

- When people tell me "why did you headbutt with the majority of the thread right from the beginning" and they don't understand when I say that I noticed VERY EARLY ON each reactionnary alliances and behaviors and pinpointed very precisely who was close to progressive ideas or not...

- And when someone who calls me a retard and multiple times attacked me on my mental health is telling to someone who is promoting and defending war criminal while invisibilizing a genocide and saying other horrible stuff that I should be ignored while calling themselves a leftist.

This is what I meant by understanding very clearly who are leftist allies and who are not.

 

[HerreraIsBack]

You are confusing not believing that women can lie and thinking that women who risk their mental, economic, social and physical life when they call out a man will very rarely lie.

If you consider that a woman is lying to you when she tells you that she was raped. You are a danger for women. Plain and simple.

Psycopaths don't risk anything.

No, it's the same. What you are refusing is the body of evidences showing that women do not lie in this situation the absolute majority of the time.

Therefore, you are doing the same thing as not believing yourself if you saw a murder. Or if a group of friend told you that there was a murder. You are rejecting a body of converging evidences.

And you are doing the same thing with capitalism.

You didn't showed a single evidence.

No I ignored that because it was racist and I don't want to deal with that with the lack of moderation on this thread. I already have enough hatefull rethoric.

Is not racist, you don't even understand that word.

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- When people tell me "why did you headbutt with the majority of the thread right from the beginning" and they don't understand when I say that I noticed VERY EARLY ON each reactionnary alliances and behaviors and pinpointed very precisely who was close to progressive ideas or not...

- And when someone who calls me a retard and multiple times attacked me on my mental health is telling to someone who is promoting and defending war criminal while invisibilizing a genocide and saying other horrible stuff that I should be ignored while calling themselves a leftist.

This is what I meant by understanding very clearly who are leftist allies and who are not.

Or maybe you are just extreme. No matter which "side" you go you will always be extreme to it. That's what many complain at US nowadays. They used to be left 20 years ago but people went to extreme and are not calling them right wing.

Donald Trump used to be a democrat, JFK kid used to be democrat, Elon Musk used to be democrat. Now they are all republicans. They didn't moved to the right, the democractic party went extreme to the left. They are sitll the same democrats from 00's.

 

[Logiko]

Psycopaths don't risk anything.

Are you really naming women who are denounce their abusers, "psychopaths" ?

You didn't showed a single evidence.

Yes I did, a hundreds of times in this thread already. You can check, I shared many peer solid studies, words of researchers, sociologist, historians, activists.

Is not racist, you don't even understand that word.

You do not understand the system that is racism. I'm willing to explain it to you. I already told you that.

But FIRST you need to be willing to expand your windows of vision to look beyond what was delivered to you as vulgarization at school in the first years of your education.

 

[HerreraIsBack]

Are you really naming women who are denounce their abusers, "psychopaths" ?

The ones who lie about it definitely are.

You do not understand the system that is racism

You don't know what racism means.

 

[Ravagerblade]

The ones who lie about it definitely are.


You don't know what racism means.

C4N is a #BelieveAllWomen Type.

 

[Logiko]

Or maybe you are just extreme. No matter which "side" you go you will always be extreme to it. That's what many complain at US nowadays. They used to be left 20 years ago but people went to extreme and are not calling them right wing.

Yes, you are right. I'm extrem yes. I'm more radical that anyone on this thread despite not being a clear anarchist or communist. But this is not a biases, this is testimony that I know ALL the spectrum from the far right to the extrem left.

Precisely because - like I already explained to you - I went through ALL OF IT.

So when I see someone who is depicting the same behavior I did years ago, I know how to place them very easily. I can see the pattern and pinpoint your ideology LONG before you even explain to me how you act or think.

Of course I will be wrong sometimes here and there, and of course there are nuance. But when the body of evidences is clear, there is nothing to deny.

The US were never leftist. And democrats are not leftist. Do I need to remind you of the red scare ?

The ones who lie about it definitely are.

It's the absolute minority. A very small %.
And this %, is mainly due to the lack of proof, not the actual rumor that women are lying.

In reality, women are risking EVERYTHING by calling out their abusers.

You don't know what racism means.

I love it, you just ignored my entire post just to tell me the same thing.

We could go on and on. You are absolutely not willing to learn more than what was distributed to you as a child in your education system

C4N is a #BelieveAllWomen Type.

Yup. We all should be like that.

That's basic respect in front of a systemic oppression.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Yes, you are right. I'm extrem yes. I'm more radical that anyone on this thread despite not being a clear anarchist or communist. But this is not a biases, this is testimony that I know ALL the spectrum from the far right to the extrem left.

Precisely because - like I already explained to you - I went through ALL OF IT.

So when I see someone who is depicting the same behavior I did years ago, I know how to place them very easily. I can see the pattern and pinpoint your ideology LONG before you even explain to me how you act or think.

Of course I will be wrong sometimes here and there, and of course there are nuance. But when the body of evidences is clear, there is nothing to deny.

The US were never leftist. And democrats are not leftist. Do I need to remind you of the red scare ?


It's the absolute minority. A very small %.
And this %, is mainly due to the lack of proof, not the actual rumor that women are lying.

In reality, women are risking EVERYTHING by calling out their abusers.



I love it, you just ignored my entire post just to tell me the same thing.

We could go on and on. You are absolutely not willing to learn more than what was distributed to you as a child.


Yup

We all should be like that.

You're one fucked up, twisted person.
If we did that Johnny Depp would have fucked. And Amber Turd would have gotten away with all her bullshit.
There's been more of women lying out there as well.
Just goes to show where you are and you're standing.

 

[Logiko]

You're one fucked up, twisted person.
If we did that Johnny Depp would have fucked. And Amber Turd would have gotten away with all her bullshit.
There's been more of women lying out there as well.
Just goes to show where you are and you're standing.

You know. There is something that women understand very early in feminist activism and it's this :

When a woman is victim of abuse, she will most probably be victim 4types of abuse linked to the oppression system that is patriarchy:

- The violence of the abuse itself
- The violence of the absence of justice by the institution
- The violence of society that will lash out hell upon her after the call out
- The violence of those who will consider her as NOT a "perfect" victim.

This final abuse is exactly the reason why Amber Heard was ridiculized by society despite being the actual victim.

Amber was a victim of violence, BUT, she was not a "perfect victim", she replied, and even was abusive herself. Men like you lashed out on her despite the evidences of the woman being a REAL victim of the man. We can in fact see here you completely ignored what did Depp and focused all your anger on a woman.

This is PURE patriarcal behavior.

This is something that women are living day after day, call out after call out. A single step out of the line of "pure victimhood" transforms women into objects of ridiculization and projected sexist violences.

Depp is not victim of systemic oppression. Amber is.
That's what you do not take into account. Because as any reactionnary man, you do not believe in social sciences and the existence of patriarchy and you will find any excuses you get to take down a woman who is genuingly sharing an horror story.

 

[Ravagerblade]

You know (i will not be talking to you here but to everyone who may read). There is something that women understand very early in feminist activism and it's this :

When a woman is victim of abuse, she will most probably be victim 4types of abuse linked to the oppression system that is patriarchy:

- The violence of the abuse itself
- The violence of the absence of justice by the institution
- The violence of society that will lash out hell upon her after the call out
- The violence of those who will consider her as NOT a "pure" victim.

This final abuse is exactly the reason why Amber Heard was ridiculized by society despite being the actual victim.

Amber was a victim of violence, BUT, she was not a "pure victim", she replied, and even was abusive herself. As such, men like you lashed out on her despite the evidences of the woman being a REAL victim of the man. As such, you completely ignored what did the Depp and focused all your anger on a woman.

This is PURE patriarcal behavior.

This is something that women are living day after day, call out after call out. A single step out of the line of "pure victimhood" transforms women into objects of ridiculization and projected sexist violences.

Depp is not victim of systemic oppression. Amber is.
That's what you do not take into account. Because as any reactionnary man, you do not believe in social sciences and the existence of patriarchy and you will find any excuses you get to take down a woman who is genuingly sharing an horror story.

I love how much You assume. You make up stories and them apply them to people. Peak Delusion.
You live for the Fantasy you build up and then act as if its real. You're no better than the people who falsify SA.
Women and Men both didn't like her, It's not a Patriarchal thing. It's both for both. On both sides.

 

[Logiko]

I love how much You assume. You make up stories and them apply them to people. Peak Delusion.
You live for the Fantasy you build up and then act as if its real. You're no better than the people who falsify SA.
Women and Men both didn't like her, It's not a Patriarchal thing. It's both for both. On both sides.

Mate. Those are things I see everyday. I see the testimony pop up, and I see the abuse from men like you that follows those women.

This is not an invention, it's real life my guy

Women and Men both didn't like her, It's not a Patriarchal thing. It's both for both. On both sides.

Well, good luck telling that to actual feminists who followed the trial. I don't think you will be received well

 

[Ravagerblade]

Mate. Those are things I see everyday. I see the testimony pop up, and I see the abuse from men like you that follows those women.

This is not an invention, it's real life my guy



Well, good luck telling that to actual feminists who followed the trial. I don't think you will be received well

There you go again making assusations without any evidence. You don't know me, but you've certain made a story about me and what I've done to anybody man or woman. You are displaying why You, are the problem in this world.

No no no, Only one faction of Feminists, The crazy new Wave/s. You wouldn't have the first 2. Third wave probably, but even then not all of them. Your clouded judgement is noted. Because Innocent until proven guilty is what should be applied. Not Guilty until proven innocent.