Controversial General Political Discussion

[Ravagerblade]

Yes, you are right. I'm extrem yes. I'm more radical that anyone on this thread despite not being a clear anarchist or communist. But this is not a biases, this is testimony that I know ALL the spectrum from the far right to the extrem left.

Precisely because - like I already explained to you - I went through ALL OF IT.

So when I see someone who is depicting the same behavior I did years ago, I know how to place them very easily. I can see the pattern and pinpoint your ideology LONG before you even explain to me how you act or think.

Of course I will be wrong sometimes here and there, and of course there are nuance. But when the body of evidences is clear, there is nothing to deny.

The US were never leftist. And democrats are not leftist. Do I need to remind you of the red scare ?


It's the absolute minority. A very small %.
And this %, is mainly due to the lack of proof, not the actual rumor that women are lying.

In reality, women are risking EVERYTHING by calling out their abusers.



I love it, you just ignored my entire post just to tell me the same thing.

We could go on and on. You are absolutely not willing to learn more than what was distributed to you as a child.


Yup

We all should be like that.

You're one fucked up, twisted person.
If we did that Johnny Depp would have fucked. And Amber Turd would have gotten away with all her bullshit.
There's been more of women lying out there as well.
Just goes to show where you are and you're standing.

 

[Logiko]

You're one fucked up, twisted person.
If we did that Johnny Depp would have fucked. And Amber Turd would have gotten away with all her bullshit.
There's been more of women lying out there as well.
Just goes to show where you are and you're standing.

You know. There is something that women understand very early in feminist activism and it's this :

When a woman is victim of abuse, she will most probably be victim 4types of abuse linked to the oppression system that is patriarchy:

- The violence of the abuse itself
- The violence of the absence of justice by the institution
- The violence of society that will lash out hell upon her after the call out
- The violence of those who will consider her as NOT a "perfect" victim.

This final abuse is exactly the reason why Amber Heard was ridiculized by society despite being the actual victim.

Amber was a victim of violence, BUT, she was not a "perfect victim", she replied, and even was abusive herself. Men like you lashed out on her despite the evidences of the woman being a REAL victim of the man. We can in fact see here you completely ignored what did Depp and focused all your anger on a woman.

This is PURE patriarcal behavior.

This is something that women are living day after day, call out after call out. A single step out of the line of "pure victimhood" transforms women into objects of ridiculization and projected sexist violences.

Depp is not victim of systemic oppression. Amber is.
That's what you do not take into account. Because as any reactionnary man, you do not believe in social sciences and the existence of patriarchy and you will find any excuses you get to take down a woman who is genuingly sharing an horror story.

 

[Ravagerblade]

You know (i will not be talking to you here but to everyone who may read). There is something that women understand very early in feminist activism and it's this :

When a woman is victim of abuse, she will most probably be victim 4types of abuse linked to the oppression system that is patriarchy:

- The violence of the abuse itself
- The violence of the absence of justice by the institution
- The violence of society that will lash out hell upon her after the call out
- The violence of those who will consider her as NOT a "pure" victim.

This final abuse is exactly the reason why Amber Heard was ridiculized by society despite being the actual victim.

Amber was a victim of violence, BUT, she was not a "pure victim", she replied, and even was abusive herself. As such, men like you lashed out on her despite the evidences of the woman being a REAL victim of the man. As such, you completely ignored what did the Depp and focused all your anger on a woman.

This is PURE patriarcal behavior.

This is something that women are living day after day, call out after call out. A single step out of the line of "pure victimhood" transforms women into objects of ridiculization and projected sexist violences.

Depp is not victim of systemic oppression. Amber is.
That's what you do not take into account. Because as any reactionnary man, you do not believe in social sciences and the existence of patriarchy and you will find any excuses you get to take down a woman who is genuingly sharing an horror story.

I love how much You assume. You make up stories and them apply them to people. Peak Delusion.
You live for the Fantasy you build up and then act as if its real. You're no better than the people who falsify SA.
Women and Men both didn't like her, It's not a Patriarchal thing. It's both for both. On both sides.

 

[Logiko]

I love how much You assume. You make up stories and them apply them to people. Peak Delusion.
You live for the Fantasy you build up and then act as if its real. You're no better than the people who falsify SA.
Women and Men both didn't like her, It's not a Patriarchal thing. It's both for both. On both sides.

Mate. Those are things I see everyday. I see the testimony pop up, and I see the abuse from men like you that follows those women.

This is not an invention, it's real life my guy

Women and Men both didn't like her, It's not a Patriarchal thing. It's both for both. On both sides.

Well, good luck telling that to actual feminists who followed the trial. I don't think you will be received well

 

[Ravagerblade]

Mate. Those are things I see everyday. I see the testimony pop up, and I see the abuse from men like you that follows those women.

This is not an invention, it's real life my guy



Well, good luck telling that to actual feminists who followed the trial. I don't think you will be received well

There you go again making assusations without any evidence. You don't know me, but you've certain made a story about me and what I've done to anybody man or woman. You are displaying why You, are the problem in this world.

No no no, Only one faction of Feminists, The crazy new Wave/s. You wouldn't have the first 2. Third wave probably, but even then not all of them. Your clouded judgement is noted. Because Innocent until proven guilty is what should be applied. Not Guilty until proven innocent.

 

[Logiko]

There you go again making assusations without any evidence. You don't know me, but you've certain made a story about me and what I've done to anybody man or woman. You are displaying why You, are the problem in this world.

No accusations here mate, just a comparizon.

You rejected the testimony of Amber Heard and insulted her based on patriarcal biases JUST LIKE men who insult women are reject their testimonies after their call out because of patriarcal education.

Comparizon is no accusation. I'm as much as a problem as you, I'm a man, and like you I can depict patriarcal behavior. I'm not immune to my education and my material conditions of existence. But you seems to think you are.

Not Guilty until proven innocent.

So if a someone kills someone else in front of you, you will refuse to call them a murderer ?

You seems to confuse a call out (which is simply a social pressure) with a judiciary verdict.

Most women who are aware of the oppression of women by men know this difference.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Hope y’all enjoyed the little break from my antics, because I am ready to rumble once more

 

[Logiko]

Hope y’all enjoyed the little break from my antics, because I am ready to rumble once more

 

[AL sama]

Mate. Those are things I see everyday. I see the testimony pop up, and I see the abuse from men like you that follows those women.

bro don't return to your habit of labeling other users

 

[Uncle Van]

Hope y’all enjoyed the little break from my antics, because I am ready to rumble once more

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Hope y’all enjoyed the little break from my antics, because I am ready to rumble once more

 

[Logiko]

@Mathias @Blax Blah @Toby D. Dog @Jew D. Boy

Observe very closely. This is how the far right rises:

bro don't return to your habit of labeling other users

My bad, I thought you grew a little political backbone during my absence.

It seems I will have to deal once again with your threat of threatban for calling out the behavior toxic people. Thank you for letting me know.

Just a heads up, maybe you didn't notice it. But fascists are that the door. If there was a time for the moderation to wake the F up, it would be now. Especially when you are defending someone that explain that we should not believe all women in the context of a call out.

I want to remind everyone that this thread STILL exist:

> Why refusing to name call Name (call out) or label troubles is problematic

 

[Jew D. Boy]

I don’t know this one, but…

THIS is one of my all-time favorite songs, good choice…also, sorry for going off on you a few days ago, I don’t think you’re one of the bad ones but I was fucking around too much

@Mathias @Blax Blah @Toby D. Dog @Jew D. Boy

Observe very closely. This is how the far right rises:


My bad, I thought you grew a little political backbone during my absence.

It seems I will have to deal once again with your threat of threatban for calling out the behavior toxic people. Thank you for letting me know.

Just a heads up, maybe you didn't notice it. But fascists are that the door. If there was a time for the moderation to wake the F up, it would be now. Especially when you are defending someone that explain that we should not believe all women in the context of a call out.

I want to remind everyone that this thread STILL exist:

> Why refusing to name call Name (call out) or label troubles is problematic

You don’t have to convince me, C4N, and the people who DO need to hear this don’t respect you enough to listen…but I’m more than happy to continue calling a spade a spade whenever necessary

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

I don’t know this one, but…

THIS is one of my all-time favorite songs, good choice…also, sorry for going off on you a few days ago, I don’t think you’re one of the bad ones but I was fucking around too much

You don’t have to convince me, C4N, and the people who DO need to hear this don’t respect you enough to listen…but I’m more than happy to continue calling a spade a spade whenever necessary

No worries mate, got too laye you were doing it on purpose and I fell for it.
Don't get what you mean with the last phrase but yeah

 

[Uncle Van]

I don’t know this one, but…

THIS is one of my all-time favorite songs, good choice…also, sorry for going off on you a few days ago, I don’t think you’re one of the bad ones but I was fucking around too much

You don’t have to convince me, C4N, and the people who DO need to hear this don’t respect you enough to listen…but I’m more than happy to continue calling a spade a spade whenever necessary

Goddamn you @Gaimon The Pirate

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Elon is LITERALLY a Nazi advocater and defender bro. And I think you do not understand that Nazism is just ONE type of fascism. We don't call out Elon just because he made a bad Nazi salute (which was not a roman Salute btw, Roman never used that, and which was actually a Nazi)

Elon is a white surpremacist and an eugenist. He is a fascist through and through.


No. They do the opposite.

They strike down the collective. They diseappear unions. Fascism is the last tool of the bourgeoisie to impose it's dominance.
.

Is ethnonationalism not a fundamental part of fascism?

I don’t see how you can be pro immigration and also be a fascist. You can be an authoritarian, but is that the same thing as fascism?

Elon is certainly a racist, but I feel like being a globalist would inherently disqualify you from being a fascist.

Unless you think Mussolini would support the H1-B visa program

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Elon Musk is a technofeudalist.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Goddamn you @Gaimon The Pirate

What have I done now, I don't get it

 

[Uncle Van]

What have I done now, I don't get it

Had the audacity to post a better video. You won't get away with this

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Clearly there's a problem with Immigration, Letting to many people in at one time etc.
Not having them assimilate etc.

I mean at the end of the day, every action has consequences and there often isn’t a perfect solution to things.

If the Japanese people don’t want to have kids, then they need immigrants to replace aging workers.

Having kids is tough, and a lot of people would rather not have too many of them if they don’t need to.

If some Japanese folk are so concerned with their culture dying, they can start a group like the Amish or the haredi Jews that is communal where everyone has 8 kids.

But that life isn’t for everyone.