Controversial General Political Discussion

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Even if you disagreed strongly with Kirk and think he was a fucking bastard, it should be normal to say that killing him was a serious crime, that the guy didn’t the wrong thing, that it’s not like that at all that you fight against political ideas and yeah he was still a human with a family and children / child

Having no sympathy means you remove a bit the human aspect of your opponent and it can lead for a group to encourage / trivialize such acts.

that all things considered the guy who killed Kirk didn’t do such a bad thing

I keep telling you I know it's a serious crime and I don't think it was exactly right to kill Kirk. I think Kirk likely should have gone to a mental institution or something like that instead of being assassinated.
But I still don't care much about his death. Just like he wouldn't care if me or you or anyone else here dropped dead tomorrow.

 

[Logiko]

I think Kirk likely should have gone to a mental institution.

 

[Reborn]

It’s not what I meant

you can a be a anti abortion if you want

But if your state allows abortion and you’re against that you’re free to protest on the street, to lobby for abortion to be banned again etc

But it is indeed crazy to allow people to demonstrate right in front hospitals and clinics, to threaten doctors and patients, to demonize people and riled them up.

it can only generate violence

the way America is allowing people to be right against each other is crazy and much higher than in Europe

America is slipping down day by day.

All authoritarians regardless of ideology have a trait - use violence as a tool to suppress dissenting voices... freedom of expression

So, if anyone from left supports killing of people just because of their differing views on matters by giving justification that they are fascists then they are actually walking on the same path they advocate to be against.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

He clearly had to get years worth of therapy. The dude was a massive bigot and was excusing people dying for being gay or simply for the 2nd amendment to be upheld.

 

[Logiko]

All authoritarians regardless of ideology have a trait - use violence as a tool to suppress dissenting voices... freedom of expression

The system is already violent and I don't see you being mad when it kills people. There is absolutely nothing new.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

all this reminds me of Record of Ragnarok manga
Where Jack the ripper is introduced as this deranged, insane murderer and Lü Bu as the great leader beloved by his soldiers.
We all know who killed more people haha

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All authoritarians regardless of ideology have a trait - use violence as a tool to suppress dissenting voices... freedom of expression

Aka proto war.
Or do you think (civil) wars happen out of nowhere?

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

The political thread really is the place where some users show their true colors.

That place is filled with so much toxicity and hatred.

The political thread is toxic because the normal.posters stay away from it.
Once normal people start using it, the culture will gradually shift

 

[Bullet]

The political thread really is the place where some users show their true colors.

That place is filled with so much toxicity and hatred.

It just makes the ignore list bigger when you take a peak
Unhinged vile people

 

[Logiko]

He clearly had to get years worth of therapy. The dude was a massive bigot and was excusing people dying for being gay or simply for the 2nd amendment to be upheld.

Maybe. But we must absolutely destroy this idea of a link between bad political behavior and the mental state the person. Because at the end of the day, it's people with real mental struggle and have to faith psychiatrization, who will face the consequences of the stigma. It's also depoliticizing.

The guy is not ill or anything. He was just a product of the capitalist and reactionnary system. Nothing really exceptionnal nor surprising.

 

[Uncle Van]

Even if you disagreed strongly with Kirk and think he was a fucking bastard, it should be normal to say that killing him was a serious crime, that the guy did the wrong thing, that it’s not like that at all that you fight against political ideas and yeah he was still a human with a family and children / child

Having no sympathy means you remove a bit the human aspect of your opponent and it can lead for a group to encourage / trivialize such acts.

that all things considered the guy who killed Kirk didn’t do such a bad thing

The problem is that political violence happens all the time in America, and people pick n' choose when it's bad depending on their political agenda. Because of simple disagreements, they use Charlie Kirk's death was a tool to push their political beliefs. One side says he is the embodiment of evil and had it coming, while the other says his death is indicative of leftists in general.

People will use anything they can to justify their beliefs and actions.

 

[NAMELESS]

The problem is that political violence happens all the time in America, and people pick n' choose when it's bad depending on their political agenda. Because of simple disagreements, they use Charlie Kirk's death was a tool to push their political beliefs. One side says he is the embodiment of evil and had it coming, while the other says his death is indicative of leftists in general.

People will use anything they can to justify their beliefs and actions.

Pretty sure gunning down Democratic politicians and prominent voices is seen in a bad light by other conservatives in America. Don't pretend conservatives endorse violence as much as the left.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Maybe. We must absolutely destroy this idea that bad behavior must be psychiatrized. Because at the end of the day, it's people with real mental struggle, who will face the consequences of the stigma. It's also depoliticizing.

The guy is not ill or anything. He was just a product of the capitalist and reactionnary system. Nothing really exceptionnal nor surprising.

At this point I don't know what the fuck I can say then.
If I say that I simply don't care for his death (I don't even think he deserved death I just don't care), I get flak for it
I say he should have been in an institution, I get flak for it
I say he deserves any type of punishment, I get flak for it
At this point who cares. Let's just keep letting horrible people like him and Trump run amuck because you're all too much of a pussy to stand on 10 toes with your beliefs and try to get these people out of a position of power.

 

[NAMELESS]

Maybe. But we must absolutely destroy this idea of a link between bad political behavior and the mental state the person. Because at the end of the day, it's people with real mental struggle and have to faith psychiatrization, who will face the consequences of the stigma. It's also depoliticizing.

The guy is not ill or anything. He was just a product of the capitalist and reactionnary system. Nothing really exceptionnal nor surprising.

Agreed, let's stop calling people we don't like mentally ill.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Agreed, let's stop calling people we don't like mentally ill.

So wishing death on gay people isn't a mentally ill thing?

 

[HerreraIsBack]

No one is saint . I think ideology level Lula is showing brave face he could have coward and accept Trump’s terms .

Like i said i have less knowledge what goes over in brasil but hopefully we dont want Trump’s friends in powers .

No one is saint but don't need to be corrupted.

Lula is stealing the retirement from old people. Not only nothing is gonna happen about it, no one will be arrested or the money won't be paid back, but it will come out from the taxes we pay the stolen money and people will still be stealing putting us in an endless cycle to pay the stealers.

Is that the ideology you defend? Steal from old people retirement?

 

[Uncle Van]

Pretty sure gunning down Democratic politicians and prominent voices is seen in a bad light by other conservatives in America.

Your point?

Don't pretend conservatives endorse violence as much as the left.

Conservatives loved lynching people for their skin color so....

 

[BleakAsh]

The political thread really is the place where some users show their true colors.

That place is filled with so much toxicity and hatred.

You lowkey realize how religiously people worship their political stances.

 

[RayanOO]

So wishing death on gay people isn't a mentally ill thing?

It can be
But it is mostly indoctrinated people and/or bigoted ones

its not really an illness, or there are huge ass number of people who are mentally ill

Saying they are mentally ill diminishes their responsibility about what they are saying or doing

 

[NAMELESS]

Your point?



Conservatives loved lynching people for their skin color so....

*AMERICANS.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

It can be
But it is mostly indoctrinated people and/or bigoted ones

its not really an illness, or there are huge ass number of people who are mentally ill

Saying they are mentally ill diminishes their responsibility about what they are saying or doing

Either way they need some type of help. That type of thinking isn't normal nor is it healthy.