Controversial General Political Discussion

[Uncle Van]

Yes, that's true.
But I don't see how it relate to this context lol

The conversation about whether saying something hateful makes someone a hateful person, or just a person saying hateful things.

 

[BleakAsh]

no but are you gonna draw parallels??

Nah, but it really is a thing this time around

 

[Reborn]

Yea, Russia had a decrease of trade with many countries and the ones who don't give a shit about sanctions increased the trades specially because they can now buy from a lower price. Suply x Demand. Overall Russia is trading less and going broke.

Idk from where you read Russia is going broke because this isn't the case at all.


There is slowdown but Russia still have massive forex 1.6 trillion and its national debt is way less than you even imagine.

And, with rising trade with BRICS and other countries, Russia is far away from collapsing or going broke.

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

Why dis he switch from Israel loyalist to fearing Israel will kill him?

Started to see through the lies and questioned the official narrative.

Israel invested a lot of money in him, they must have been pissed to hell when Kirk started implicating them in Epstein's Child-Rape-Trafficking List.

I think this was a message to the rest of the GOP, too, to get in line, or get what Kennedy got decades ago, and Kirk got yesterday.

Always remember: there is nothing these heathens fear more, than truth.

 

[AL sama]

Globalization for you.

chill

 

[AL sama]

Nah, but it really is a thing this time around

people try to innovate all the time

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Guys, watch this video from the begining. I’m not saying all of this speculation is true but it’s something to be mindful of.

 

[BleakAsh]

people try to innovate all the time

It doesn't taste like butter chicken at all though.

I recently tried pineapple on pizza.

Never has blasphemy tasted this good

 

[Jew D. Boy]

I feel you but the US is far from the worst country on earth. You people need to stop comparing the US to west European countries. Comparing it to the likes of Ethiopia, Haiti and Myanmar makes more sense

I didn’t say worst, but there is a prevalent mental health crisis that is not only NOT being addressed, there are a cadre of politicians/billionaires who are actively making it harder to get treatment. Christ, just look at Ravager; his several competing behavioral issues have turned him into a slobbering hatemonger, and I’m positive he wouldn’t seek out help even if he accepted that he desperately needs it…just one example of many dolts who have irretrievably tripped down the rabbit hole and cannot be reasoned with under any circumstances. It just sucks to know that things don’t have to be this bad, but anyone who has the power to change our conditions are only interested in bleeding us dry for profit just like the dearly departed was doing for the last decade

The nation founded on the doctrine that all men are created equal!...by slave owners. Hooray!

All for me and none for thee, baby!!

 

[HerreraIsBack]

Idk from where you read Russia is going broke because this isn't the case at all.


There is slowdown but Russia still have massive forex 1.6 trillion and its national debt is way less than you even imagine.

And, with rising trade with BRICS and other countries, Russia is far away from collapsing or going broke.

If you believe in Russia numbers.

They also said they were winning the war, that they would win in weeks. And here we are...

 

[Logiko]

As if evil actions happened in a vaccum.

They are the product of systems of domination and exploitations.

The conversation about whether saying something hateful makes someone a hateful person, or just a person saying hateful things.

Nevermind, I just went to the bathroom and what you said just clicked. You bypassed slightly the conversation, but yeah, you are right, I don't see people as essentially evil and it can - in some way - explain what I'm trying to say here. Although the subject is not really if I see the actions of a transphobe as hatefull, rather than a product of a system of domination.

And I thank you for pointing that out since it is a nuance that I never bring up here.

@Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier In a Way van is right, if it can help you understand, EVEN when I say that someone is "racist" or "fascist", I never picture the person as "bad" or essentialize this behavior to their entire persona. I rather consider people as potentials for good.

For me, a person, even a fascist can evolve and change for the better. As such, when I'm pointing a behavior, I'm pointing a behavior in the time dimension specifically and not the person as a whole.

But technically. Our subject here is more materialistic. What I'm trying to convey is the fact that instead of looking at individual behavior or conditions "this guy is racist", "this guy is sexist", "this guy is mentally unwell", "this guy is not valid" I want to point out the system that creates those behavior:

- A guy is racist most likely because he lives in an environement that promotes this ideology
- A guy is sexist possibly because he lives in an environement where women are still objectified
- A guy is mentally unwell because he lives in an environement that pushes big pressures on him
- A guy is not valid, because his environement see his invalidity as a parameter of marginalization etc.

It's also worse nothing that for me (and other leftist like me) we do not believe in the concept of mental health as I explained here:

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For liberals, mental struggles are "a problem with mental health", therefore, it is a problem that must be solved by working directly on the person itself.

But in reality, WE know that MOST mental struggles are responses to highly detrimental material conditions of existence. For exemple, If you lose your job, you have more chances to start a "depression." When you are trans, you will most likely experience "gender dysphoria," which is not something natural but a socially constructed phenomenon (trans people have gender dysphoria not because they are trans but because they were educated, raised, and gendered in their opposite gender identity, it is a form of harm created by their social circle and social construction).

Careful tho :

It is important here to understand that antipsychiatry does not consider that conditions like schizophrenia do not exist, but we consider that those conditions are a result of material consequences of trauma and other stuff like that.

The problem to tackle is therefore not schizophrenia, but what causes people to develop it. We do not individualize problems, we think in terms of systems and structural issues. We refuse the psychiatrized look on the problem.

For that reason, antipsychiatry is NOT advocating for the absence of treatment or medication, but it will advocate strongly for a peer-helping solidarity network around the person. Not through the help of psychiatry, as people who can't come back to production and will be considered by the institution as "too harmful for themselves or others" will most likely be sent to psychiatric institutions. >> BAD STUFF HAPPENS THERE.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

They are the product of systems of domination and exploitations.



Nevermind, I just went to the bathroom and what you said just clicked. You bypassed slightly the conversation, but yeah, you are right, I don't see people people as essentially evil and it can - in some way - explain what I'm trying to say here. Although the subject is not really if I see the actions of a transphobe as hatefull, rather than a product of a system of domination.

And I thank you for pointing that out since it is a nuance that I never bring up here.

@Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier In a Way van is right, if it can help you understand, EVEN when I say that someone is "racist" or "fascist", I never picture the person as "bad" or essentialized to this behavior alone, but as a potential.

For me, a person, even a fascist can evolve and change for the better. As such, when I'm pointing a behavior, I'm pointing a behavior in the time dimension specifically and not the person as a whole.

But technically. Our subject here is more materialistic. What I'm trying to convey is the fact that instead of looking at individual behavior "this guy is racist", "this guy is sexist", "this guy is mentally unwell", "this guy is not valid" I want to point out the system that creates those behavior:

- A guy is racist most likely because he lives in an environement that promotes this ideology
- A guy is sexist possibly because he lives in an environement where women are still objectified
- A guy is mentally unwell because he lives in an environement that pushes big pressures on him
- A guy is not valid, because his environement see his invalidity as a parameter of marginalization etc.

It's also worse nothing that for me (and other leftist like me) we do not believe in the concept of mental health as I explained here:

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I don't care as much as you think

 

[Logiko]

I don't care as much as you think

I know. I'm not only speaking to you, but the audience, what I'm telling you can be read by others. I'm using this conversation as a tool to convey an idea.

 

[AL sama]

you're a nazi and I mean it very strongly but you aren't one inherently, only you actions are

 

[Senfret]

Defensive gun use far outweighs homicides. This isn't up for debate.

From whom? I mean if nobody has guns why do you need a gun? Guns only works as intimidation or to exercise violence against someone... If you said hunting I could have passed it, but definitely defending is only a half-assed way to say everyone in the US has maniac behaviours, the US citizens are afraid of each others guns, without guns the problem is solved.

There isn't a defensive way to use a gun, it's an instrument for violence

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

you're a nazi and I mean it very strongly but you aren't one inherently, only you actions are

rofl

 

[Logiko]

you're a nazi and I mean it very strongly but you aren't one inherently, only you actions are

More like "you are acting like a Nazi" and I mean it very strongly but you aren't bad inherently.

It's coherent. As long as we explain the fact that a label is a way to name efficiently a problem. As the conversation with @Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier proved, people on the right usually take a description for a label, so it's useless to make a distinction on the get go.

Whether I say "You are acting bad" or "you are bad".. Most people here will take it as a personnal attack anyway.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

More like "you are acting like a Nazi" and I mean it very strongly but you aren't bad inherently.

It's coherent. As long as we explain the fact that a label is a way to name efficiently a problem. As the conversation with @Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier proved, people on the right usually take a description for a label, so it's useless to make a distinction on the get go.

Whether I say "You are acting bad" or "you are bad".. Most people here will take it as a personnal attack anyway.

there is no acting with those things
you can't act like a misogynist, if you say misogynistic things you're just a plain old misogynist
same for racist remarks
or homophobic remarks
transphobic remarks
islamophobic remarks
etc

 

[Mathias]

there is no acting with those things
you can't act misogynist, if you say misogynistic things you're just a plain old misogynist
same for racist remarks
or homophobic remarks
transphobic remarks
islamophobic remarks
etc

What if -- it is ironic

 

[Uncle Van]

there is no acting with those things
you can't act misogynist, if you say misogynistic things you're just a plain old misogynist
same for racist remarks
or homophobic remarks
transphobic remarks
islamophobic remarks
etc

Was Ted Bundy, Ed Gein, and John Wayne Gacy(Infamous American serial killers) serial killers? Or were their actions simply serial killer-like?