Nah, Bella Ciao is an antifascist music that we usually love to play in antifascist circles. A lot of neonazi try to recuperate our symbols (for ex, they try to take back the ACAB by trying to assignate the "all cops are brothers" stuff) but it doesn't stick, we love them too much.



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Logiko, imma be nice to you and say this. When I say it was a meme in their circles, I’m not trying to imply it’s a fascist anthem. You don’t need to insert yourself into every single little exchange and be a know it all. Most people won’t appreciate it.
 
I honestly never got the ACAB movement.
Pretty simple, we don't like cops.
We consider them as the FIRST tool of the oppression of the system.


Logiko, imma be nice to you and say this. When I say it was a meme in their circles, I’m not trying to imply it’s a fascist anthem. You don’t need to insert yourself into every single little exchange and be a know it all. Most people won’t appreciate it.
Kindly, what you implied or not doesn't matter here. The interpretation of others on your words doesn't belong to you. Your words can be interpreted as I did. So I intervened as an antifascist. Don't make a fuss about it, I simply added some context. There is no unilateral exchange here, if you want some Pms are here for that.

Politics are an open field. Accept that.

Ok? We good?

:sweat:
 
Pretty simple, we don't like cops.
We consider them as the FIRST tool of the oppression of the system.



Kindly, what you implied or not doesn't matter here. The interpretation of others on your words doesn't belong to you. Your words can be interpreted as I did. So I intervened as an antifascist. Don't make a fuss about it, I simply added some context. There is no unilateral exchange here, if you want some Pms are here for that.

Politics are an open field. Accept that.

Ok? We good?

:sweat:
I don't see a reason to generalize cops and spread hate against them. I know very well some of, or a lot of, them are horrible people, but that should never fall on the shoulders of every cop.
 
Might be different where you are but religion is very much in bed with extremely questionable ideas here.
now purely anecdotal, but in my experience I am more likely to see racist and far right ideologies here from predominantly religious groups. Understandably they were losing the cultural battle from the pulpit and decided to use politics to enforce it. you claim to study these things?
some of these realities are things you simply have to live through.



The era of anyone thinking people cant be terrible based on faith is way behind us.
Absolutely, people can do crazy things in the name of religion. Down here in Rio, we have devils chopping off limbs from innocent people in the name of JESUS (I'm not making this up; there really are drug dealers doing this). The Supreme Court forbade military police in Rio from going after these guys. We have been facing serious violations of the constitution these past few years. These same guys just now convicted Bolsonaro for crimes that he didn't commit and that don't even exist in our penal code.
I wish I had a 2A in my constitution right now. Be grateful none of this shit will ever happen in America because you guys have a constitutional right to start an insurrection and own weapons to do so. This can also create civil wars too, sure, but those come to an end eventually. It is very hard to end a dictatorial regime that employs modern tech. Just look at the state of Russia, China, North Korea, Cuba, and other similar nations. They have 0 chance to start an uprising. They simply lack the logistics, weapons, training, and sometimes basic things like water and food. Tyranny is the death of a nation.
I have no practical answer to prevent something like what happened to Kirk, but I would be more than willing to run that risk to have a fight against both crime and domestic dictators. Currently, we don't have such luxury. Our future really looks very fucking grim. Lula is making all kinds of deals that benefit China and weaken Brazilian autonomy. Venezuela already suffered this exact same process. Colombia is in a very weird spot right now, but not as bad as the others. Trump is doing something, but let's be real, he isn't doing this out of charity. America is interested in maintaining hegemony in the American continent and also enriching itself further.
Brazil , Venezuela, and Colombia have a lot of resources. You do the math on how this can end. We are in deep shit right now. I'm not going to pretend I wish well for Lula either, but some things are better not said in public to not radicalize people further. You get it. So, on religion again, you think religion is to blame for the actual scenario that I described south of the Americas? No, it's good old Marxism showing its ugly nature. You really think American religious fundamentalists will create such a scenario for America? Really? I'm more worried about the people that want to get rid of the 2A. Gun control in Brazil is supposed to protect citizens, and yet...
We are the number 1 nation in the world in terms of homicide rates. We are sheep in a slaughterhouse; that is what we are. We had a dictator too back in the 50s, his name was Vargas. He was sympathetic to Hitler and Mussolini. He tricked regional political leaders into giving up their weapons to make the nation safer. The next thing he did was arrest said leaders and start two bloody conflicts on Brazilian soil. We have been bleeding since the inception of the Brazilian Republic.
So, yeah, insurrectional power is a big deal, man. Like it or not, every man has the responsibility to fight for himself, his family, his own land, and his own freedom.

Far right just doesn't like Islam or Muslims mate
And American far right is no different. Ofc they try to appeal to us when it suits their needs.


Kirk himself was an islamophobic mouthpiece.


I'm not surprised more like frustrated...ik the right is dogmatic on extremely flawed premises

And i agree that the left is intuitive and open to recognizing desirable human values including but not limited to being more considerate and rational at times, but far left also has this dogma problem like the far right where if you don't subscribe to or recognize their ideas then you sre essentially seen as the problem. That basically transpires into.. sure empathic and sympathetic traits and moral consideration but an extremely radical lense on it where no other application of those values to derive a different moral conclusion is seen acceptable.

I don't know what you think of Candice Owens but i consider her to be what rational open mindedness + conservative values would be as a good right winger.

Sure you might disagree morally with some particulars with her i mean so do I but she is a rational individual ..
My guy, Christians being uneasy around Muslims has to do with historical reasons because there has been war between Muslims and Christians for centuries, and these conflicts leave scars and stigma. Bro, I'm not going to pretend that i know who Candice Owens is, but I will take note and do research some time later.
 
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I don't see a reason to generalize cops and spread hate against them. I know very well some of, or a lot of, them are horrible people, but that should never fall on the shoulders of every cop.
oh boi..

It's really ... really difficult for me to explain something that I know people can't understand unless we have a much bigger talk about it. To understand why we say "ACAB", you must first understand an entire branch of bullet points about activism, materialism and social sciences.

At the moment you are thinking with your idealist mind, to make you a metaphor, imagine than what you see of my rethoric is a sun (bright and all. No ego I swear, I was looking at my pp and it's the first thing that popped into my mind), and what you are doing at the moment, is looking straight at it for an eclipse (my actual point) with your regular glasses.

By defaut, the only thing that you can say to me if I ask you to look at it, is "you are crazy, that will burn me" and you would be right. If you look at my argumentation without the proper tools to understand it, you will burn your brain and probably end up a radical conservative (it happens often).

But what I'm asking you is different. I'm asking you to search for a new type of glasses. A pair that will make you look at the sun without danger. That way, you will be able to see the actual moon of my words. The eclipse that is currently invisible to you and many many more people on this forum including some leftists here.

This pair of glasses is called : historical materialism. It's philosophical materialism, but applied to the social and political world through the spectre of social sciences.

When you will put those glasses: You won't see the world the same way ever again. You will see the structures, the systems, the relationships of powers.

Through their lens, you won't see cops as individualized people, I'm not targetting cops as people, I'm sure a lot of them are nice people, I'm targetting the Police as an institution. An institution that has two main social function:

- To repress anything that enters in contradiction with the interest of the power
- To protect the power itself as the last line of defense.

When we say ACAB, or when we say "men are trash", or when we say "all psychiatrist are trash", we are not targetting people, but systems and institutions. We alert on the fact that those system will create - with the people who work in them - behaviors that will perpetuates oppressions and domination and exploitations.

No matter how hard one tries to resist, the system will shape them in the form of the interest of the power. This is what systemic domination means.

Patriarchy shapes men into oppressors, Capitalism shapes rich people into exploiters, ableism shapes institutions into eugenist agencies. Colonialism shapes powerful nation into genociders..

Again from Marx himself: It is not consciousness that determines life, but life that determines consciousness.
 
Kindly, what you implied or not doesn't matter here. The interpretation of others on your words doesn't belong to you. Your words can be interpreted as I did. So I intervened as an antifascist. Don't make a fuss about it, I simply added some context. There is no unilateral exchange here, if you want some Pms are here for that.

Politics are an open field. Accept that.

Ok? We good?
This is why people don’t open up to your ideas.
 
"Fucking leftist..."

Some people probably
Leftists are so violent, they actually turn good little MAGAts into murderers :shocked:
I thought white people were angels while black people (and many other minorities) were evil hoodlums, so why are all these assassins white dudes:Think:
There are a few good pale faces out there, but it sure seems like most of them are angry, spiteful homunculi like our little friends around here :cr7:
 
Patriarchy shapes men into oppressors, Capitalism shapes rich people into exploiters, ableism shapes institutions into eugenist agencies. Colonialism shapes powerful
It's the other way around
You're confusing cause and effect
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Yea but all you are about is constantly reminding everyone that the bad guys don't come from your side.
You're participating in the polarized discourse instead of being a voice of reason.
There are a few good pale faces out there, but it sure seems like most of them are angry, spiteful homunculi like our little friends around here
Hmmmmmmm..🤔😶‍🌫️
 
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