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[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

What the hell did nameless do??

 

[Mathias]

Nazi and Fascists were literally captured, judged, and executed by the end of WW2. You really think Bolsonaro is a monster? Have you even seen what he was saying during his campaign? He got elected on the promise of eradicating corruption and stopping the extreme left wing insanity. He cowered and tried to lure alongside the people he said he would fight. This is why this witch hunt is happening. It's because he thought we could negotiate with the left. Now he is probably going to die. That stabbing really got into his head.
Stop pretending you guys know shit about Brazil or Latin America. Most of you think we are uncultured cavemen. I bet if I did a quiz here doing basic questions about some history, cultural references, and so on, most of you would fail badly. Brazil has the same cancer that Venezuela and other nations down here have left. The left is an evil ideology. Period. History proves my point. Nobody went after the Communists of the Soviet Union. No Nuremberg trials for the left. They were untouched and unpunished.
Lula speech about the inauguration of the Foro de São Paulo( Aka Latin America):
https://www.gov.br/planalto/pt-br/a...a-na-abertura-da-reuniao-do-foro-de-sao-paulo
Speech by President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva at the opening of the Sao Paulo Forum meeting

Transcript of the speech of President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva on the occasion of the opening of the Sao Paulo Forum, on June 29, 2023
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If at that time I had realized that I was so beautiful, I would not have aged
Well, the first thing I wanted to apologize for was not having to read a nominate here with the names of the companions who are on the table, because it has already been read by three people who spoke before me and I would then take my time to talk to the nominate. Since no one here is a candidate for anything, you don't need to repeat the names.
One thing I wanted to remind you is that who is 43 today, I was only 10 years old when we did the first meeting of the Sao Paulo Forum. I want to believe that many of you who are participating in this forum were no more than 10 years old in 1990.
And I wanted to tell a little bit of the story of why we created the Sao Paulo Forum, why we discussed creating a forum. The first thing is that in 1985 I was aware that we could never come to power through voting, through democracy. That was something I had in my head at the time: it is not possible for a worker to reach the Presidency of the Republic by means of a vote.
I had been a candidate for governor of Sao Paulo in 1982, I imagined that I would win the elections by the amount of people we put on the street, but when it came to the election result, I had only 10% of the vote. I was very disappointed, because I believed that worker voted worker and found that it was not so true. We needed to create a mechanism to evolve people's political consciousness so they could vote for us.
And there were elections of '89. The PT made the decision to launch me as a candidate for president in 89, in an election in which all the great public and historical figures of my country were vying for the presidency of the Republic.
I was, among all the candidates, a very small thing, I was a metal worker, creator of a political party of only 8 years old, competing in the elections against important figures like Leonel de Moura Brizola, a great companion who had been impeached in 1964, who was in exile and who returned to Brazil exactly close to the time of contesting the elections.
Against Dr. Ulysses Guimaraes, who was president of the largest political party in Brazil, he was president of the Constituent Assembly and had a party that had 23 state governors and 306 deputies and senators. There was a former governor of Sao Paulo, Mario Covas, who was a very important public figure in Brazil.There was the vice president of the Republic, Aureliano Chaves, and there were many important people from Brazilian politics vying for the elections.
And I imagined that we would have no chance to contest that election, no chance. And a surprise happened: I went to the second round of the elections. And for the first time, a metal worker from a leftist party in Brazil, which had only the PC B as its ally, we got almost 47% of the vote and almost won the elections.
From the result of the elections of 89, on a trip to Cuba, I and comrade Marcus Aurelius began to talk with the comrades of the Cuban Communist Party and with comrade Fidel Castro and we ventured the possibility of holding a meeting with the entire latin american left, which many at the time fought in very small parties trying to make the revolution.
And so we decided to invite all the organizations so that, together, we could discuss, through a lot of organization of the workers and the people in general, the democratic way to win power in our countries. This is how the idea of us convening the first forum in Sao Paulo was born. We wanted the left of Latin America to talk to each other again and we wanted the left of Latin America to once again dispute the democratic spaces existing in their countries.
And the first meeting took place in Sao Paulo, at a time of the World Cup. He had a country that had 15 left-wing organizations, all very small, but all very full of truth, all very aware that it was through them that the revolution was going to happen in his country. And then we started talking for the first time. Few people knew each other, few people had a relationship of friendship, and we established a way to gain trust between us, so that we could build what we call today the Sao Paulo Forum.
It's important you remember. Comrade Chavez, in the second meeting we had in El Salvador, Chavez wanted to participate in the Sao Paulo Forum and we did not leave. We did not leave because at the time Chavez had tried to deliver the coup in Venezuela, he was a colonel, he was a professor at the military academy in Venezuela. There had been Caracazo in Venezuela, 300 people had died, Chavez had tried to strike a blow and when he arrived and in El Salvador, Chavez wanted to participate.
We do not let Chavez participate because “look, you are not democratic, you tried to give coup, you will not participate in the Sao Paulo Forum”. And it was not just us no, the whole Forum of Sao Paulo had this awareness. Well, then the story you know.
The concrete fact is that the Sao Paulo Forum was the first Latin American experience in which the left decided to join without having to take away their differences or end their differences, but it decided to discuss, from the point of view of democratic organization, dispute the political spaces of our continent.
And you know that the victory was a lot in that period. You know that Latin America, and especially South America, lived its best moment in 500 years from 2002 to 2010. It was the victory in Argentina, Chile, Brazil, Venezuela, Ecuador. It was the victory even of more progressive people in the other countries that were on our side, in addition to the victory of our comrade Chavez in Venezuela.
We live in a period of great expansion, social conquest and political participation in our continent. I do not believe that there was another historical moment in which the society of South America and Latin America had as many achievements and as many social inclusion policies as they had in this period from 2000 to 2010, 2012, until 2015, when they impeached fellow Dilma Rousseff.
And you know how many times we have been accused, you know how much defamation and how many pejorative attacks are made against the left in South America. We are not seen by the fascist far right, neither in Brazil nor in the world, as democratic organizations. They treat us as if we are terrorists, they accuse us of communists, thinking that we are offended by it.
We would not be offended, we would be offended if they called us Nazis, neo-fascists, terrorists, but communist, socialist, never. This does not offend us, it makes us proud, often and often we know that we deserve these attacks.
Usually, when a person comes to the presidency of the Republic, people do not dare to participate in the Sao Paulo Forum. The truth is this, our comrades, even our comrades did not like to participate in the Sao Paulo Forum, because we are often elected president of the Republic and we do not like to hear criticism.
The same people who applaud us during the campaign are often the same people who boo us. And instead of asking why they are booing, we treat them as enemies. And often they are booing because we did not do what we promised during the election process.
So we need to learn to exercise democracy as much as possible that we can exercise. Because democracy, it is very important to the extent that you establish an alternation of power. Democracy is a constant exercise, I always say that democracy is like marriage. A marriage, if the husband and wife do not make concession to each other, every holy day, the marriage ends.
If in a family, the father and mother do not make concessions to their children, the relationship is bad. So democracy is this, democracy is you making concessions all the time, conquering all the time, defeating all the time, but establishing a democratic way of living democratically in adversity. And we can't create problems for each other.
It is important for us to be clear about this. I, here in Brazil, is the first time that a president governs this country for the third time, it is the first time. I certainly, if I had judgment, would not have been a candidate for president of the Republic again, because I had left my second term with 87% good and great in this country. I could use this historical capital for the annals of history and not go back.
After all, I am 77 years old. It doesn't seem like it, you're seeing that I'm here very young. And I say every day, for me to believe, I do not tell you to believe, I say for me to believe, old age only happens when a person does not have a cause. If every human being has a cause for him to dedicate himself, for him to fight, old age does not happen, old age, wrinkles may appear the face, but it does not appear within his consciousness. And then you're always new, always willing to fight.
And I returned to govern this country, first to reestablish the democratic process of this country. We like democracy, we like to have people protesting against us, we like it when we have a strike against us, we like it when we negotiate. None of this is against democracy, all of it is the result of democracy. Democracy is not a pact of silence, democracy is a society in motion, in search of better days, better achievements and better quality of life.
So democracy cannot bother any leader. And I know how much we've lost on our continent. I know how sad it was for Argentina to have a right-wing president a short time ago. I know how sad Rafael Correa's departure was. I know how sad the Chilean right has been. I know how sad the coup in Bolivia was. I know how sad it was for us to have our partner Dilma Rousseff impichada here in this country.
And we, instead of being sorry, have to take lessons. Where do we go wrong? What we can't do? Why did such a thing happen to us? Why after 30 years trying to make the revolution, the Farabundo Marti front loses the election to the right and in re-election has only 14% of the vote?
One cannot criticize others all their lives. Every now and then we have to look inside ourselves and know what we did wrong. Why did that happen? Why was President Dilma impeached? Was it just a mistake of the far right or do we have mistakes as a political party? From time to time, we have to think, we have to meditate, so that we can prevent new mistakes from hindering our walk by achieving the quality of life of our people.
I've come back to rule this country because I have a mission. It's not even a government program commitment, it's a mission. We need to end inequality in the world, it is not possible to continue with inequality in food, wages, education, housing, gender inequality, racial inequality, that is, every holy day we see increasing the number of poor on the planet. Children starve as the rich try to pay for rocket or submarine passage to search for a new world, when their world is this.
So, companions and companions of the Sao Paulo Forum. Among us, there are no longer many people who helped found the forum. Even from the PT, I was watching, Ze, appears there in that movie, I appear, Marcus Aurelius, you and Gushiken. Marcus Aurelius is dead, Gushiken is dead, we both have left. As I intend to live to 120 years, get ready, because I will continue preparing my speeches here.
Here in Brazil I usually call the death of Caetana and where Caetana is I'm far away. And I even made a decision not to visit more cemetery, not to visit more sick people in the hospital, I now want to visit only child being born, only new thing sprouting, you know, because if I raise my hand it may be that someone wants to take me and take me, and I will not allow it.
I want to say to you that the Sao Paulo Forum is a blessing that we have managed to create in Latin America. The left has problems all over the world. I do not know how many European comrades there are here at this meeting, but we need to rediscuss the discourse of the left. We need to rethink what we want and what we have to do to achieve.
Often the right has more ease than we do with fascist discourse. Here in Brazil, we face the discourse of custom, the discourse of the family, the discourse of patriotism, that is, here we face the discourse of everything that we have historically learned to combat.
In Europe, for example, the left has lost the discourse on the issue of migration. The left does not know how to defend the issue of immigrants. It is the right, which is really against it, and often the right, like Angela Merkel, has a correct political position of accepting thousands of immigrants in Germany.
We need to try to discuss our mistakes so that we can correct them. I do not think, comrade Gleisi, that we among the left here, can one be criticizing the other. Often we have the habit of talking “ah, such a guy is wrong, so we need to punish, we do not need to talk, we do not have to talk”. No, among friends, we talk in person. We do not make public criticism because criticism is of interest to the far right, it is of no interest to the people.
If we have a problem with a partner, instead of criticizing them publicly, we have to talk in person. I am president of the Republic, but none of you, neither of the PT, nor of the Brazilian parties and nor of the allied parties of the Latin American left, is forbidden to criticize me or to call the PT to attention for any mistake I may make.
Because otherwise, we are not a companion. Otherwise, we are not really allies. Ally is not the one who is always pleasing and smoothing, often the true friend is the one who says you are wrong. Often, the true companion is the one who catches your eye.
And that is why I have learned, throughout my life, to respect and admire fellow Fidel Castro. Because since 1985, in all the relationship I had with Fidel Castro, he never stopped doing the criticism he had to do personally and never stopped praising publicly. He acted differently, he personally criticized and publicly praised.
Often, we on the Latin American left self-destruct. Because we often use our adversaries in the media to speak ill of us, to try to destroy us, to show our faults. Because virtues are never shown.
So, dear companions, I wanted to end my speech by saying to you. I, although I am 77 years old, my energy to do politics is 30. And you know the tasks that we have at the international level. This year, we have many tasks. First, we have the BRICS in South Africa, then we have the G20 in India. Then we have the Celac meeting with the European Union in Brussels this month.
Then we have the first Amazonian meeting held in the state of Para, with all the Amazonian countries, including we are inviting French Guiana to participate. We are inviting Indonesia and we are inviting the two Congos.
What is more, we will now have in Leticia next week a meeting with experts and scientists to prepare the so-called Bethlehem Meeting. And more importantly, in 2025 we will have for the first time, a meeting to discuss the climate issue about the Amazon within the Amazon, in an Amazon state, for people to know what the Amazon actually is.
And we want to build with the 8 countries of South America a unitary policy, so that we can arrive in December or perhaps even earlier, in the UAE, for COP28 with the right position in defense of the countries that keep the forests standing like South America, Congo, Democratic Congo and more Indonesia. Our task is very big, it is very big and we cannot waste a minute of time, much less space, otherwise we lose.
Brazil was out of the world for almost six years, six years in which Brazil was not taken seriously anywhere in the world. We came back and we want to go back, not to Brazil to be highlighted again, we want to go back so that South America and Latin America will be highlighted again.
We return to fight for the autonomy of the United Nations. The UN cannot continue with the same size it had in 45. We need to increase the membership of the UN, with Africa, with Latin America, with the Asian countries, and we need to change the permanent members of the Security Council. Because they are the ones who produce weapons, they are the ones who produce war, without going through the decision of the Security Council.
So we are in a trench, in addition to taking care of our country, we have to take care of strengthening the role of the progressive and democratic sectors of society in this world, because the fascist right, it has grown. It has grown in many places, in places that we imagined it would grow again. She's grown back up.
So I wanted to make an appeal. Comrade Gleisi Hoffmann, president of the PT, companion of the PC do B, comrades of the Latin American parties. We do not have time to fight for minor things. Who was critical of fellow Tabare or who was critical of fellow Pepe Mujica knows how much they lack in power for us to be able to make criticism.
Therefore, it is much better to have a companion of us making some mistakes for us to criticize than to have someone from the right governing, which does not even allow us to have space to criticize. In Brazil, we learned. Four years of the far right in this country has been a lesson for all of us.
But either we create judgment, or we organize ourselves and we work to solve the problems of Brazilian society, especially with social inclusion, or the extreme right is there, as long as lies, using fake news, violating any parameter of dignity to return to power.
So I want you to know that you can count on me. As long as this young heart is pulsating, I will be fighting for us to achieve respectability, the dignity of the working people of our beloved Latin America.
A hug, dear, and good congress for you.

Could you at least say why you dropped a speech by Lula ?
I mean for context, before I read it eventually.
Because this looked like a copy-pasta troll at first.

Nazi and Fascists were literally captured, judged, and executed by the end of WW2.

*The main leaders mostly

You really think Bolsonaro is a monster? Have you even seen what he was saying during his campaign? He got elected on the promise of eradicating corruption and stopping the extreme left wing insanity.

Lula isn't even extreme left. Brazilian democracy is functioning pretty well.

This is why this witch hunt is happening. It's because he thought we could negotiate with the left. Now he is probably going to die. That stabbing really got into his head.

I mean. I'm talking to someone who thinks that the insurrection attempt in Brazil against democracy was a false-flag operation by lefties pretending to be pro-Bolsonaro. The far-right is doing so many batshit illegal stuff that they either have to win the elections to have immunity against the law like Trump or they get wrecked like Bolsonaro and Marine LePen (impossible to run for any election for a few years due to corruption).

Stop pretending you guys know shit about Brazil or Latin America. Most of you think we are uncultured cavemen. I bet if I did a quiz here doing basic questions about some history, cultural references, and so on, most of you would fail badly.

I know how to spot a far-righty like Bolsonaro. This isn't a cultural test about Brazil but about legal/illegal, liberty/tyranny and justice.

No one is asking to know about (for instance) Japanese literature to say that Hirohito was a dipshit far-righty and ally of Hitler.

Bolsonaro was a dipshit far-righty and ally of Trump, Milei and Netanyahu.

The left is an evil ideology. Period. History proves my point.

I wonder what you'd be like today if there hadn't been a left in history.

Nobody went after the Communists of the Soviet Union. No Nuremberg trials for the left. They were untouched and unpunished.

That's not because they're lefties (more like extremists making the horse-shoe theory legit btw). That's because they didn't lose by invasion and Russia is a super power that protects itself. Arresting Putin would be very complicated if not impossible for instance.

 

[NAMELESS]

@Blax Blah https://biblehub.com/genesis/3-19.htm
nd to Adam he said,


“Because you have listened to the voice of your wife
and have eaten of the tree
of which I commanded you,
‘You shall not eat of it,’
cursed is the ground because of you;
in pain you shall eat of it all the days of your life;
18thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you;
and you shall eat the plants of the field.
19By the sweat of your face
you shall eat bread,
till you return to the ground,
for out of it you were taken;
for you are dust,
and to dust you shall return.”

Remember, we are supposed to work for our shit. Turning charity into a legal obligation is called taxation.

 

[Logiko]

If its just a complete refusal to engage with what you're saying then the debate might not be worth having at all.

I know, but the risk of harm is real. Something needs to be done and I can't just insult them forever lol.

I'll try to shift my focus on people I can talk to for the moment.

1) You come off as preachy and a know it all, as if everyone must abide by what you say or else they are misguided. This ego comes off more of a moral superiority complex

I get it. But what if I say is the actual truth? What if the fact of not listening to me can mean not being aware of the harm that can be created?

I'm ok with sharing points of view, but if I'm here, it's for too main reasons:
- This forum is not safe for the fanbase
- There is a potential here for hatefull anti-one piece rethoric to appear. To a point where it can spread to the fanbase and cause actual damage even to the story itself

I can't avoid wanting to change that.

Some people you cant help or enlighten.

I can't accept that.

He does alot of charity in Africa

Charity is like a finger you put on a 20 cm opened wound on a fainted man to stop it from bleeding.

Charity doesn't fix anything. It's only a tool of support. And Mr Beast is the last guy that I would call a system fixer. Check all the files there is on him.

He hosted events for teen girls called “women’s leadership summits” and told them that their duty was to skip education and get to having kids as soon as they’re legal

Could you at least say why you dropped a speech by Lula ?
I mean for context, before I read it eventually.
Because this looked like a copy-pasta troll at first.

He did that yesterday too, I had to put the entire thing on chatgpt to understand it. Took me 30 minutes lol

Not doing that again

 

[HerreraIsBack]

Zionists are closet nazis far rights

And most of the right wing with political authority in the US are zionist by in large

Some right wingers are just dumb parrots, and some realize what they were associating with (Ft Candice Owen's) and step away from psuedo-nazism.

So by deduction.. US is governed by closet nazis
Not all right wingers are zionists.. Many have human decency and many fall prey to the zionist far right propaganda ( ft @HerreraIsBack)

Fantastic calling Jews as nazists hahaha

Candice Owns the antisemetic of the year? Hahahaha. You guys are full nazis and don't even hide it.

 

[NAMELESS]

He thinks anyone will read this.. lmfao

Go on more about how the left are all evil and must be targeted and you’re totally not an authoritarian evil yourself lol

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I don’t think he would get banned

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Yeah I believe in human rights for the evil gays and trans menace and non whites and don’t think women should submit

Seriously we mustn’t discount the grooming Charlie Kirk did. He hosted events for teen girls called “women’s leadership summits” and told them that their duty was to skip education and get to having kids as soon as they’re legal

Gaslighting is the left's entire political strategy. "We saints, the rightists are evil; kill them all. Nazis and Fascists should die."

 

[HerreraIsBack]

Its doing it

It has been doing it

It has always been a systematic propaganda because the history books don't lie about who the land belongs to so the world needed a blind fold

With USA slaving off for them they had all the machinery to pull it off

All it took was October the 7th and the world is now awake and the douche rapist state is desperate.

Oh yea is doing by giving his own land when seeking for peace? Or no you jsut ignore that fact that happened not long ago less than 20 years.

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The goal of Israel is to wipe out Gazan out of Palestine while keeping western support. Stop your BS.

What bullshit? You will deny Israel gave away it's territory in seek of peace? As I always said you are a bunch of nazis and dishonest liars.

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good watch @NAMELESS @HerreraIsBack

I have no idea what your video is about and don't care to watch is. I just remember people saying here how most terrorism comes from the right and then this video showed up to me today someone who did minimal digging and quiackly found out how left terrorism isn't even reported as terrorism.

 

[NAMELESS]

I know, but the risk of harm is real. Something needs to be done and I can't just insult them forever lol.

I'll try to shift my focus on people I can talk to for the moment.



I get it. But what if I say is the actual truth? What if the fact of not listening to me can mean not being aware of the harm that can be created?

I'm ok with sharing points of view, but if I'm here, it's for too main reasons:
- This forum is not safe for the fanbase
- There is a potential here for hatefull anti-one piece rethoric to appear. To a point where it can spread to the fanbase and cause actual damage even to the story itself

I can't avoid wanting to change that.


I can't accept that.


Charity is like a finger you put on a 20 cm opened wound on a fainted man to stop it from bleeding.

Charity doesn't fix anything. It's only a tool of support. And Mr Beast is the last guy that I would call a system fixer. Check all the files there is on him.

He did that yesterday too, I had to put the entire thing on chatgpt to understand it. Took me 30 minutes lol

Not doing that again

So is social welfare; the government has no plans to rehabilitate you and turn you into a business owner, for example. If all the poor people on social benefits didn't need them anymore because they ascended into the middle class, they would lose their electoral base.

 

[HerreraIsBack]

@HerreraIsBack @NAMELESS @Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier @Mathias @Blax Blah @Z-Saber @Ravagerblade @Monkey D Theories @Jew D. Boy @Gaimon The Pirate @Uncle Van @AL sama and others i forgot...

Please forget me too

 

[Mathias]

I don’t think he would get banned

This would fall into hate-speech. But anyway there was a guy here with problematic views on Hamas, Talibans and so on. He got banned and rightfully so because he was so fucking cringe...

But let's just be straightforward to see how this works.
Would people who support dictatorships get banned from the forum/thread or get their message removed ? @Uncle Van @AL sama

 

[Logiko]

Nazis and Fascists should die

Personnally... I wouldn't say that

But I know activists who won't hesitate to say it



Also I wouldn't call you "Evil". There is no such thing. But missguided yea. Uninformed yeah. In denial ? Yeah. Idealist ? Yeah... Harmfull ?

Completely.

So is social welfare; the government has no plans to rehabilitate you and turn you into a business owner, for example. If all the poor people on social benefits didn't need them anymore because they ascended into the middle class, they would lose their electoral base.

Funny, you didn't answer my question :

>>>

Ok I will precise the thought here.

Imagine that you are in a cold desert, you are with your family of three, you, your wife and a daughter. At one point, you find a giant beast that will help you survive for far more that the entire trip out of the desert. Somehow, the giant beast is lying there, you just have to kill it.

You do that and voilà, you have a giant beast that will allow you to survive (don't mind the logistic, you have a magic bag that can contain the giant beast without being heavy)

Now..

What would you do if you find a couple, stranded, like you in the desert, starving?

Please forget me too

Only if you stop being harmfull.

 

[eamonpro]

for example I don't think it's morally right to mock the dead but you seem to be fine with it

So if someone’s dead we have to pretend they weren’t groomers?

It’s not mocking. It’s a warning. The far right is trying to use the fact he’s dead to pretend he was not a virulent racist or sexist, just a kind debater.

He hosted tpusa “women’s leadership summits” where he told teen girls who wanted to be leaders that the only thing that will bring them fulfillment is skipping education and marrying (and submitting to) a man for immediate summary childmaking; and a Christian one in particular. You’re allowed to be Christian, but it doesn’t make you NOT a groomer for trying to get kids ready to fuck a Christian man once they’re legal. What is the world coming to where we can’t call this shit out because someone’s dead? I didnt kill him, as much as I’m sure people like @NAMELESS would argue the evil left all banded together for it.

It’s not mocking to say it. It’s sober analysis of a man who’s dead. Should we instead lionize everyone who dies and pretend they’re not what they were?

He was in the midst of deflecting from defending the propaganda he was spreading about the trans menace, and it’s not mocking to say that. It’s the fact of the matter.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

This would fall into hate-speech. But anyway there was a guy here with problematic views on Hamas, Talibans and so on. He got banned and rightfully so because he was so fucking cringe...

But let's just be straightforward to see how this works.
Would people who support dictatorships get banned from the forum/thread or get their message removed ? @Uncle Van @AL sama

Even pedophile and users who have ideologies of a certain supposed n slur (that isn't the hard r) don't get permaed or anything so at this point you can really do anything and the mods won't give a proper punishment

 

[eamonpro]

So is social welfare; the government has no plans to rehabilitate you and turn you into a business owner, for example. If all the poor people on social benefits didn't need them anymore because they ascended into the middle class, they would lose their electoral base.

Weird that rehabilitated equals business owner

Are all non business owners second to the true ubermensch business owners or whatever in your ideology

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Reading comprehension, kid. I said it would be great, and they SHOULD. From a moral perspective, rich people should help the poor. It's something that Jesus himself taught: charity. What I'm against is turning charity into a legal obligation.

Jesus went farther than “the rich should help the poor” didn’t he pretty much go “stop being rich or you’re in hell bucko”

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Could you at least say why you dropped a speech by Lula ?
I mean for context, before I read it eventually.
Because this looked like a copy-pasta troll at first.


*The main leaders mostly


Lula isn't even extreme left. Brazilian democracy is functioning pretty well.


I mean. I'm talking to someone who thinks that the insurrection attempt in Brazil against democracy was a false-flag operation by lefties pretending to be pro-Bolsonaro. The far-right is doing so many batshit illegal stuff that they either have to win the elections to have immunity against the law like Trump or they get wrecked like Bolsonaro and Marine LePen (impossible to run for any election for a few years due to corruption).



I know how to spot a far-righty like Bolsonaro. This isn't a cultural test about Brazil but about legal/illegal, liberty/tyranny and justice.

No one is asking to know about (for instance) Japanese literature to say that Hirohito was a dipshit far-righty and ally of Hitler.

Bolsonaro was a dipshit far-righty and ally of Trump, Milei and Netanyahu.


I wonder what you'd be like today if there hadn't been a left in history.


That's not because they're lefties (more like extremists making the horse-shoe theory legit btw). That's because they didn't lose by invasion and Russia is a super power that protects itself. Arresting Putin would be very complicated if not impossible for instance.

He doesn’t think it’s a false flag. He thinks it’s justified to do anything as long as it gets the left, poor, whatever persecuted.

It might be out of fear that the poor and the left are all demonic forces based on his posts. Anyone know any Brazilian ketamine therapy experts that might be able to help @NAMELESS with his racing intrusive thoughts

 

[Mathias]

Even pedophile and users who have ideologies of a certain supposed n slur (that isn't the hard r) don't get permaed or anything so at this point you can really do anything and the mods won't give a proper punishment

Pedophiles do get warned by moderation. When it was revealed about Bonney's age, entire threads were getting moderated because it was a mess.

I don't know much about the n-word stuff controversy in this forum. I don't even think I have seen it being used to be honest.

 

[NAMELESS]

So if someone’s dead we have to pretend they weren’t groomers?

It’s not mocking. It’s a warning. The far right is trying to use the fact he’s dead to pretend he was not a virulent racist or sexist, just a kind debater.

He hosted tpusa “women’s leadership summits” where he told teen girls who wanted to be leaders that the only thing that will bring them fulfillment is skipping education and marrying (and submitting to) a man for immediate summary childmaking; and a Christian one in particular. You’re allowed to be Christian, but it doesn’t make you NOT a groomer for trying to get kids ready to fuck a Christian man once they’re legal. What is the world coming to where we can’t call this shit out because someone’s dead? I didnt kill him, as much as I’m sure people like @NAMELESS would argue the evil left all banded together for it.

It’s not mocking to say it. It’s sober analysis of a man who’s dead. Should we instead lionize everyone who dies and pretend they’re not what they were?

He was in the midst of deflecting from defending the propaganda he was spreading about the trans menace, and it’s not mocking to say that. It’s the fact of the matter.

Kirk said bigoted shit. True. He wasn't really good with words, as I see it. The problem is that the left uses conservative symbols and equates them with Nazism and Fascism. Dehumanization is what got Kirk killed. Not his unwise use of words.

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Weird that rehabilitated equals business owner

Are all non business owners second to the true ubermensch business owners or whatever in your ideology

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Jesus went farther than “the rich should help the poor” didn’t he pretty much go “stop being rich or you’re in hell bucko”

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He doesn’t think it’s a false flag. He thinks it’s justified to do anything as long as it gets the left, poor, whatever persecuted.

It might be out of fear that the poor and the left are all demonic forces based on his posts. Anyone know any Brazilian ketamine therapy experts that might be able to help @NAMELESS with his racing intrusive thoughts

I take that passage about being too attached to richness and earthly possession. People that have money usually don't live frugal lives, true.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Pedophiles do get warned by moderation. When it was revealed about Bonney's age, entire threads were getting moderated because it was a mess.

I don't know much about the n-word stuff controversy in this forum. I don't even think I have seen it being used to be honest.

Yeah but they don't really get the punishments they deserve even when they're open about their fetishes. It's a weird place man
Also the "n-word" isn't the one used for black people, I mean the word used for people who like Hitler which was deemed a slur yesterday.

 

[eamonpro]

Kirk said bigoted shit. True. He wasn't really good with words, as I see it. The problem is that the left uses conservative symbols and equates them with Nazism and Fascism. Dehumanization is what got Kirk killed. Not his unwise use of words.

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I take that passage about being too attached to richness and earthly possession. People that have money usually don't live frugal lives, true.

Idk, as a lefty who wasn’t raised in a far right Mormon gun loving house I see a common problem in all the shooters

Kirk was extremely good with words. He could call something a “women’s leadership summit” to trick teen girls into hours being told to submit to Christian men and that they need to stay away from education. He was a master sophist, I’m being honest.

He didn’t say bigoted shit, he believed bigoted shit. It honestly isn’t the lefts fault that the right always goes after the poor, ethnic minorities, women, etc and promote a militaristic nationalist culture and are so against education and “enlightenment” thinking at least in my country. I only ever call people Nazis if i see similarities to Nazis.

I see a lot of similarities to Nazis in how the right is pushing for retribution against the enemy within because of a killing as a pretense.

Idk what got him killed. But everyone I know who judged him just listened to the guy talk, he was easy to judge. He was a GROOMER.

 

[NAMELESS]

Could you at least say why you dropped a speech by Lula ?
I mean for context, before I read it eventually.
Because this looked like a copy-pasta troll at first.


*The main leaders mostly


Lula isn't even extreme left. Brazilian democracy is functioning pretty well.


I mean. I'm talking to someone who thinks that the insurrection attempt in Brazil against democracy was a false-flag operation by lefties pretending to be pro-Bolsonaro. The far-right is doing so many batshit illegal stuff that they either have to win the elections to have immunity against the law like Trump or they get wrecked like Bolsonaro and Marine LePen (impossible to run for any election for a few years due to corruption).



I know how to spot a far-righty like Bolsonaro. This isn't a cultural test about Brazil but about legal/illegal, liberty/tyranny and justice.

No one is asking to know about (for instance) Japanese literature to say that Hirohito was a dipshit far-righty and ally of Hitler.

Bolsonaro was a dipshit far-righty and ally of Trump, Milei and Netanyahu.


I wonder what you'd be like today if there hadn't been a left in history.


That's not because they're lefties (more like extremists making the horse-shoe theory legit btw). That's because they didn't lose by invasion and Russia is a super power that protects itself. Arresting Putin would be very complicated if not impossible for instance.

To point out that the Latin America left acts like a cohesive unit and that the loss of freedom and degeneracy down here is not a coincidence or a product of the "far-right" because there is barely a cohesive right wing movement in most nations. Conservatism movements are national/local movements. There is no "international" right wing movement. Leftism is the opposite of this. We still stuck in cold war dynamycis down here. Latin America leftism preaches MARXISM not social democracy.

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Weird that rehabilitated equals business owner

Are all non business owners second to the true ubermensch business owners or whatever in your ideology

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Jesus went farther than “the rich should help the poor” didn’t he pretty much go “stop being rich or you’re in hell bucko”

Post automatically merged: Today at 12:39 AM

He doesn’t think it’s a false flag. He thinks it’s justified to do anything as long as it gets the left, poor, whatever persecuted.

It might be out of fear that the poor and the left are all demonic forces based on his posts. Anyone know any Brazilian ketamine therapy experts that might be able to help @NAMELESS with his racing intrusive thoughts

Logiko has mental health problems. I was referencing that.

 

[eamonpro]

To point out that the Latin America left acts like a cohesive unit and that the loss of freedom and degeneracy down here is not a coincidence or a product of the "far-right" because there is barely a cohesive right wing movement in most nations. Conservatism movements are national/local movements. There is no "international" right wing movement. Leftism is the opposite of this. We still stuck in cold war dynamycis down here. Latin America leftism preaches MARXISM not social democracy.

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Logiko has mental health problems. I was referencing that.

Not surprised you’d go low. Either way, why would they need to be a business owner, that’s a weird caveat. Are you one of those weird right wingers who thinks everyone who owns a business is a real success (even if it fails) and all the people who work for other people are losers