Idk, as a lefty who wasn’t raised in a far right Mormon gun loving house I see a common problem in all the shooters

Kirk was extremely good with words. He could call something a “women’s leadership summit” to trick teen girls into hours being told to submit to Christian men and that they need to stay away from education. He was a master sophist, I’m being honest.

He didn’t say bigoted shit, he believed bigoted shit. It honestly isn’t the lefts fault that the right always goes after the poor, ethnic minorities, women, etc and promote a militaristic nationalist culture and are so against education and “enlightenment” thinking at least in my country. I only ever call people Nazis if i see similarities to Nazis.

I see a lot of similarities to Nazis in how the right is pushing for retribution against the enemy within because of a killing as a pretense.

Idk what got him killed. But everyone I know who judged him just listened to the guy talk, he was easy to judge. He was a GROOMER.
Not denying this. people usually say what they believe. Still, Kirk wasn't a war criminal or some shit like that.
 
The problem is that the left uses conservative symbols and equates them with Nazism and Fascism.
Dude... We have neonazi who roam the streets of Lyon and other cities in France by groups of 50 wearing celtic cross and references to Hitler to beat down arabs, LGBTQI+ and propalestinian people who organize to make popular education session in private!

What do you mean "the left uses conservative symbols"? They are the ones USING those symbols! You live in a rather non fascist country were those people might not be as strong. We have to deal with them ALL THE TIME.

Just a few month ago an activist was stabbed by a member of thoses milicia. Give me a break


Translation : "migrant, murderers"


Still, Kirk wasn't a war criminal or some shit like that.
He was complicite. Words have consequences.
 
Also the "n-word" isn't the one used for black people, I mean the word used for people who like Hitler which was deemed a slur yesterday.
What is it ? I genuinely don't have it.

To point out that the Latin America left acts like a cohesive unit and that the loss of freedom and degeneracy down here is not a coincidence or a product of the "far-right" because there is barely a cohesive right wing movement in most nations. Conservatism movements are national/local movements. There is no "international" right wing movement. Leftism is the opposite of this. We still stuck in cold war dynamycis down here. Latin America leftism preaches MARXISM not social democracy.
Ok Brazilian dude from the internet, I might read the speech later and will try to understand the whole picture with your arguments.
 
Not denying this. people usually say what they believe. Still, Kirk wasn't a war criminal or some shit like that.
And? Calling him mean names didn’t get him killed. Correlation isn’t causation.

Here’s a hypothetical: he may have both been killed and called names because of a single root cause. he made himself divisive on purpose for millions in profit. He was a shrewd businessman, but when you radicalize people for money and sell yourself as controversial it backfires sometimes. No, I don’t support murder and I’m not coming for you. I just don’t think the “radical leftist media” saying mean things about him was a serious amplifier in the case of this murder
 
Dude... We have neonazi who roam the streets of Lyon and other cities in France by groups of 50 wearing celtic cross and references to Hitler to beat down arabs, LGBTQI+ and propalestinian people who organize to make popular education session in private!

What do you mean "the left uses conservative symbols"? They are the ones USING those symbols! You live in a rather non fascist country were those people might not be as strong. We have to deal with them ALL THE TIME.

Just a few month ago an activist was stabbed by a member of thoses milicia. Give me a break


Translation : "migrant, murderers"



He was complicite. Words have consequences.
It is literally a crime to preach Nazism in public down here. Ok, there are minority groups of such individuals wherever you live. You think they are politically organized to the point of being an actual global menace like the Third Reich was? Please, stop.
 
Dude... We have neonazi who roam the streets of Lyon and other cities in France by groups of 50 wearing celtic cross and references to Hitler to beat down arabs, LGBTQI+ and propalestinian people who organize to make popular education session in private!

What do you mean "the left uses conservative symbols"? They are the ones USING those symbols! You live in a rather non fascist country were those people might not be as strong. We have to deal with them ALL THE TIME.

Just a few month ago an activist was stabbed by a member of thoses milicia. Give me a break


Translation : "migrant, murderers"



He was complicite. Words have consequences.
That is not what complicity is. Words have power. Words evoke action but are not action. Kirk didn't have his hands dirty.
 
Not surprised you’d go low. Either way, why would they need to be a business owner, that’s a weird caveat. Are you one of those weird right wingers who thinks everyone who owns a business is a real success (even if it fails) and all the people who work for other people are losers
You literally understood nothing about my comment. Re-read it. I don't think i'm better or wose than anyone. I just like working by myself that is all. What is this obession with being someone's employee? I really don't get that. I don't want to boss around anyone either, if i can help it, I will keep working by myself.
 
That is not what complicity is. Words have power. Words evoke action but are not action. Kirk didn't have his hands dirty.
He certainly has his hands dirty in the action of grooming teen girls to submit to Christian men. It was a multimillion dollar industry.

I get that it’s normal on the internet to hate women, but idk man maybe it’s that I have a sister or female friends but this ideology is especially odious to me

The people ranting about the gays being groomers are now crying tears of adulation for a man who pushed female submission to Christian men specifically on children
 
He certainly has his hands dirty in the action of grooming teen girls to submit to Christian men. It was a multimillion dollar industry.

I get that it’s normal on the internet to hate women, but idk man maybe it’s that I have a sister or female friends but this ideology is especially odious to me

The people ranting about the gays being groomers are now crying tears of adulation for a man who pushed female submission to Christian men specifically on children
Submit to your husband what God literally said to Eve. So being a Christian is now a crime? What about Muslims? They have the same teachings. I'm curious about your thoughts on Islam. I have two sisters. The youngest one, who has two kids, is doing exactly what Catholicism teaches out of her own will. My Catholic mother actually thinks she is being EXCESSIVELY Catholic. Mind you, my mother likes to boss others around. She doesn't like that teaching about women.
 
It is literally a crime to preach Nazism in public down here.
Good.


Ok, there are minority groups of such individuals wherever you live.
Minorities ?

We have TWO political party that are ok with those guy. We have a minister of interior (security) that literally says the exact same shit. Just 2 month ago, the guy raided a train station just to put many many many people without citizenship permits in something worse than prison. Nothing different from what is happening in the US right now OR under the Petain governement during the Vichy era and the occupation of Nazi in France (against jews)

This is not just random or just partial, this is something BIG that is everywhere in the west. Because people like Kirk have worked for more than 20 years to riled up lonely men and confused women to fight everything that is slightly progressive.

What do you guy thought I meant when I said that fascism is rising in occident and that we should be very careful here not to let it spread?


That is not what complicity is. Words have power. Words evoke action but are not action. Kirk didn't have his hands dirty.
Do you know what are the concretes effects of the invisibilization of the genocide and the lack of social outrage against the genocide for the people of Gaza at the moment.

Little hint:

 
Submit to your husband what God literally said to Eve. So being a Christian is now a crime? What about Muslims? They have the same teachings. I'm curious about your thoughts on Islam. I have two sisters. The youngest one, who has two kids, is doing exactly what Catholicism teaches out of her own will. My Catholic mother actually thinks she is being EXCESSIVELY Catholic. Mind you, my mother likes to boss others around. She doesn't like that teaching about women.
Therein lies the problem

Because it’s the Christian right doing it, we have to pretend a multimillion dollar child grooming business is not ghoulish

Yeah if they were Muslim it’d be bad too. Your sister has a choice, if millions of dollars are put into psyopping her into it though I’d assume you would tell the pedos doing that to get the fuck out

He didn’t just say “submit” and quote the Bible. Again, he hosted “women’s leadership” summits where he lured children in with the lying name and then subjected them to hours of “you should not enter education or the workforce, as soon as you are legal you should have babies.”

That is FREAKISH.
 
What is it ? I genuinely don't have it.



Ok Brazilian dude from the internet, I might read the speech later and will try to understand the whole picture with your arguments.
Search for Foro de São Paulo and every Lula (and other founding members of Foro de São Paulo, btw) speech of the late 80s. You will ge the picture. Btw, Lula's party being affiliated with the Foro is a crime that, by our constitution, should have the party dismantled and it's leaders jailed. And yet, nothing has been done for decades now. The reason is that Brazilian courts are ideologically compromised with that Marxist scum.
 
Therein lies the problem

Because it’s the Christian right doing it, we have to pretend a multimillion dollar child grooming business is not ghoulish

Yeah if they were Muslim it’d be bad too. Your sister has a choice, if millions of dollars are put into psyopping her into it though I’d assume you would tell the pedos doing that to get the fuck out

He didn’t just say “submit” and quote the Bible. Again, he hosted “women’s leadership” summits where he lured children in with the lying name and then subjected them to hours of “you should not enter education or the workforce, as soon as you are legal you should have babies.”

That is FREAKISH.
I would say enter the workforce first, then have babies, but I don't see anything wrong with young people doing that if they happen to have a nice financial situation. The other way around is irresponsible.
 
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