Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

Reality is the farthest thing from my mind when I see shit like this

I said they "look grounded in reality" not they "are".



It's a scam, like everything the right invents to justify their idealism.

 

[Reborn]

It's their only way to make their words look grounded in reality



Lmao, you won't even answer a question ? What is this level of cowardise ?

whatever makes you sleep better at night

 

[Logiko]

whatever makes you sleep better at night

Mate, I'm not the one unable to answer simple questions

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

It goes beyond this.


It became a tool to attack as an insult and silence debate.

And, it's leading to dilution of it's real meaning, that is It trivializes real fascism and its historical horrors. Furthermore, it's leading to polarization.


Read again what I said


Do you understand it's getting misused and overused?

It happens with any group whenever they get criticized
You criticize overly ghetto black people and get called racist even though you specifically only mentioned the extremely ghetto ones
You criticize women for anything and you're a misogynist
So on and so forth

 

[Reborn]

Mate, I'm not the one unable to answer simple questions

Sure! We are done here

 

[Mathias]

Read again what I said

I simply disagree on the fact that voting for a far-righty doesn't make you a far-righty. They are roped into it whether they disclaim it or not.

Hitler wasn't a nazi dictator rather his actions were I guess

Voting for Trump doesn't make you a MAGA supporter. Rather some of your actions or thoughts are in a way kinda kinda aligned with them.

Trump isn't a "nazi" btw. Just another far-righty. But I'm sure that you get the point.

 

[Logiko]

You criticize overly ghetto black people and get called racist

why would you even criticize "overly ghetto (???????????????) black people". Dude, this sentence alone is a problem. Wtf

You criticize women for anything and you're a misogynist

It's crazy, people keep telling me "you don't know anything about me". When I snip their reactionnary rethoric on their first post.

But somehow... they ALWAYS end up confirming my point after the fact

Sure! We are done here

Damn, this question scared you.

:yurazclear:

 

[Reborn]

It happens with any group whenever they get criticized
You criticize overly ghetto black people and get called racist even though you specifically only mentioned the extremely ghetto ones
You criticize women for anything and you're a misogynist
So on and so forth

Yeah it happens with any group. I just used Fascists as an example.

I simply disagree on the fact that voting for a far-righty doesn't make you a far-righty. They are roped into it whether they disclaim it or not.


Voting for Trump doesn't make you a MAGA supporter. Rather some of your actions or thoughts are in a way kinda kinda aligned with them.

Trump isn't a "nazi" btw. Just another far-righty. But I'm sure that you get the point.

So based on your logic, Trump is a Fascist and as more than 50% population of USA voted him, so more than 50% of USA is Fascist?

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

why would you even criticize "overly ghetto (???????????????) black people". Dude, this sentence alone is a problem. Wtf

It's crazy, people keep telling me "you don't know anything about me". When I snip their reactionnary rethoric on their first post.

But somehow... they ALWAYS end up confirming my point after the fact

What the fuck are you talking about??

 

[Jew D. Boy]

I simply disagree on the fact that voting for a far-righty doesn't make you a far-righty. They are roped into it whether they disclaim it or not.


Voting for Trump doesn't make you a MAGA supporter. Rather some of your actions or thoughts are in a way kinda kinda aligned with them.

Trump isn't a "nazi" btw. Just another far-righty. But I'm sure that you get the point.

Jesus Christ, did Al really keep going with the Nazi defense?? I missed this last week, but I’m blown away by how willing he is to go to the mat for people who’d rather see him dead than accept his faint praise…for what it’s worth, I also don’t think Donnie’s a Nazi himself, but he’s more than willing to continuously get in bed with them, that’s virtually the same thing as supporting the cause.

 

[Logiko]

So based on your logic, Trump is a Fascists and as more than 50% population of USA voted him, so 50% of USA is Fascists?

It's not based on logic, is factual, 50% of voters are complaisant with a fascist. They are ok with it. And a LARGE part of Trump's base is indeed... fascist in its core.

And it would be completely legitimate looking at the current situation of the united state to explain that yea... 50% of america is currently slipping toward fascism.

What the fuck are you talking about??

I mean that you confirm at every steps the fact that you are not my ally.

 

[Mathias]

So based on your logic, Trump is a Fascists and as more than 50% population of USA voted him, so 50% of USA is Fascists?

Trump electors are definitely far-righty. Maybe you don't understand what endorsing the far-right means. But voting for them should be a simple sign of affiliation.


Fascism only applies to Mussolini supporters

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

It's not based on logic, is factual, 50% of voters are complaisant with a fascist. They are ok with it. And a LARGE part of Trump's base is indeed... fascist in its core.

And it would be completely legitimate looking at the current situation of the united state to explain that yea... 50% of america is currently slipping toward fascism.



I mean that you confirm at every steps the fact that you are not my ally.

HOW????
All I did was say that people get really defensive when you bring up the fact that CERTAIN MEMBERS of a group are problematic
You're acting like I said that those ENTIRE GROUPS are problematic and then wondered why I got labeled a bigot

 

[AL sama]

Voting for Trump doesn't make you a MAGA supporter. Rather some of your actions or thoughts are in a way kinda kinda aligned with them.

Trump isn't a "nazi" btw. Just another far-righty. But I'm sure that you get the point.

playing dumb again

 

[Uncle Van]

As they should.
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Finally some truth.

You dont think "facism is capitalism in decay" is truthful though?

 

[Mathias]

playing dumb again

Dude, stop trolling with three words at each post. And make your point.

 

[Reborn]

Trump electors are definitely far-righty. Maybe you don't understand what endorsing the far-right means. But voting for them should be a simple sign of affiliation.


Fascism only applies to Mussolini supporters

Now now hold on


You are treading on a thin line of passing verdict of guilty by association.


Voting Trump or any leader doesn't equate to full ideological alignment or affiliation.

There could be swing voters, conservatives, voters who particularly vote based on one aspect like economy or inflation, there could be moderate right leaning voters.


Calling them all "the far right" is exactly the generalization I was talking about.

 

[Logiko]

We absolutely must not go easy on Trump electors, they elected a fascist. TWICE. Knowing full well that project 2025 (a fascist project) was inside the bag.

HOW????
All I did was say that people get really defensive when you bring up the fact that CERTAIN MEMBERS of a group are problematic
You're acting like I said that those ENTIRE GROUPS are problematic and then wondered why I got labeled a bigot

The fact that you are asking me why is the problem here Monster. And I can't show you something that I can't explain something without being called a patronizing clown.

So I'm left with the only thing I can: Tell you that we are not ally. Not yet anyway.

This needs explainations on systemic racism, this needs explaination on feminism. I can't do that in a simple paragraph bro.

facism is capitalism in decay

More like capitalism on redbull

Voting Trump or any leader doesn't equate to full ideological alignment or affiliation.

Indeed. Unless they agree with the guy. And they do agree with the guy. Moderate right leaning voters vote for democrats, not fascists.

 

[Mathias]

Now now hold on


You are treading on a thin line of passing verdict of guilty by association.


Voting Trump or any leader doesn't equate to full ideological alignment or affiliation.

There could be swing voters, conservatives, voters who particularly vote based on one aspect like economy or inflation, there could be moderate right leaning voters.


Calling them all "the far right" is exactly the generalization I was talking about.

I understand that it's a bi-party system. And that people sometimes only vote for some of his ideas and not all or just a part of it. Or that they vote "strategically".

But in the end, they chose a far-righty. And that's simply where we disagree. Let's move on.

 

[Reborn]

I understand that it's a bi-party system. And that people sometimes only vote for some of his ideas and not all or just a part of it. Or that they vote "strategically".

But in the end, they chose a far-righty. And that's simply where we disagree. Let's move on.

Sure! Let's agree to disagree