Controversial General Political Discussion

[Zenos7]

I literally explained that it was a movement of ACTION against fascism. You blind or what?

Stop, for the fucking love of the moon queen, talking about things you do not understand just to contradict people you do not agree with for reasons you do not yet comprehend or because you are angry that the big bad woke is calling out your lack of reasonning.. It makes you look like a ignorant pain in the Herrera.. This is not the first time that I'm telling you this. Abortion, critical thinking, eugenism, rationnality, trans people, leftism, you are lost on ALL those subjects. So kindly, go talk to your inner Ravager and leave the grown up discussions for me.

Antifa is a movement that promotes the antifascist ACTIONS against fascism. In other words you can't be antifa and being rightwing since the entire premisse of being rightwing is promoting ideologies and values that HELPS fascism you birdcaged goof.

you still, multiple times, tried to make it seem like antifa just means antifascism. well it doesnt. mind your words better next time, then i dont have to call you out. if you understand that it is a movement beyond just simple antifascism, then thats great.

and its quite funny, because im not speaking on this topic because i disagree with you lmao. i do agree on alot of things with you, and even occasionally like some posts of yours. there is absolutely nothing wrong with anything i said on this topic of antifa. and tbh on abortion i dont even have a strong opinion, usually people call me a fence-sitter on that one lmao.

and iirc it was you who didnt get that eugenics is about heritable traits, so that one is out the window as well.

and maybe you arent the grown up if a mild disagreement about how you phrase yourself when talking about antifa makes you cram out all the topics you remembered that we had disagreements about lmao.

and me laughing at this quote from you "I'm saying that you can't be antifascist and be right wing. You can be against fascism if you are right wing" is totally warranted because of how utterly retarded this statement is.

Being against fascism makes you antifascist. like, using words cant get simpler than this. so if you supposedly unterstand that antifa stands for the political movement "antifascist action", how you dont understand that being against fascism makes you antifascist is beyond me.

you are clearly not up for talks between grown-ups, so kindly fuck off and reflect a little before you throw around emtpy accusations again because your little fweelings got hurt.

 

[Reborn]

Akai justifying himself for making meme as if his life depends on it

 

[Zenos7]

You could be right wing and fight against the racist part of fascism, but you can not be right wing and fight against fascism, because fascism is capitalism running wild, brutally oppressing workers, due to the state acting in accordance with companies and letting the company bosses' economic interests run free, those interests being: 1. Pay workers as little as possible, 2. Make people pay as much as possible for products and services

The right wing can not stop fascism, because fascism grows out of capitalism, which is what the right wing supports
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Literally the only thing that can stop fascism are strong and radical unions, workers crushing the power of capitalists, not even social democrats can stop fascism because they want a more controlled capitalism, not an alternative

Like say you are right wing right?

And you're in a congress running the governement

And you're arguing with a fascist party about why the governement should not become fascist

What is your argument?

Their argument is: capitalism is good, so let the capitalists ( the company owners, the company bosses ) be freer, so capitalism can be freer, so things can get better

You, being right wing, support capitalism

So what's your argument against that fascist party?

you can be right wing and be against authoritarianism, nationalism, using violence or intimidation to censor your political opponents, idolizing the political leader and whatnot... and right wingers can be in favor of democracy.

so yeah, there is much more right wingers can be against with fascism than just the "racism" part of it.

 

[AverageBuggyEnjoyer]

Akai justifying himself for making meme as if his life depends on it

When I posted that meme I thought "Logiko’s gonna get mad at me" Then I realized I was actually in the OP chapter thread, not the politics thread.

It cracked me up how this thread has basically fried my brain, so posted about it here, and it turned into exactly what I’d imagined, with Logiko getting mad at me

 

[Zenos7]

You can't be right wing and anti fascist but you can be right wing and against fascism

yeah logiko is a legit lost cause. his brain is fried beyond recognition

 

[AverageBuggyEnjoyer]

You can't be right wing and anti fascist but you can be right wing and against fascism

Is that Homer simpson? LMAO

 

[Zenos7]

it is a contradiction, in English anti means opposed to or against this is the definition of the word, to be against fascism is definitionally antifascist

issue is logiko doesnt use words as they are intended. he just makes up shit and if you dont agree then you
1) dont understand his profound wisdom
2) are a transphobe,fascist,homophobe,racist,whatever
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Do you want me to explain to you what comedy is, or the difference between comedy and moral instruction, or the difference between using ethical satire to invoke a reaction without endorsing the real world content of said satire? Do we really need to do this Logiko?

yes please

 

[Reborn]

When I posted that meme I thought "Logiko’s gonna get mad at me" Then I realized I was actually in the OP chapter thread, not the politics thread.

It cracked me up how this thread has basically fried my brain, so posted about it here, and it turned into exactly what I’d imagined, with Logiko getting mad at me

So distasteful smh @Logiko get him

 

[Zenos7]

antifascism is historically a set of action against fascism. As such, to be antifascist, you need more than just explain that you are against or opposed to fascism, you need to adopt behaviors and do some actions against it.

ok so you clearly dont understand that antifa = antifascist action

 

[AverageBuggyEnjoyer]

yes please

I have 0 stamina to explain the self evident lol

 

[Jew D. Boy]

I haven't seen you before, but reading some of your takes, you'll start some spicy conversations around here

He’s a self-proclaimed Nazi, my guy

 

[Zenos7]

He’s a self-proclaimed Nazi, my guy

fake news

 

[Jew D. Boy]

fake news

As usual, “fake news” = “direct quote”

I am far right, and would probably be considered a Nazi here

 

[Zenos7]

As usual, “fake news” = “direct quote”

"i would be considered a nazi here"
=/=
"i am a nazi"

so fucking lame my guy

 

[Logiko]

you still, multiple times, tried to make it seem like antifa just means antifascism. well it doesnt. mind your words better next time, then i dont have to call you out. if you understand that it is a movement beyond just simple antifascism, then thats great.

and its quite funny, because im not speaking on this topic because i disagree with you lmao. i do agree on alot of things with you, and even occasionally like some posts of yours. there is absolutely nothing wrong with anything i said on this topic of antifa. and tbh on abortion i dont even have a strong opinion, usually people call me a fence-sitter on that one lmao.

and iirc it was you who didnt get that eugenics is about heritable traits, so that one is out the window as well.

and maybe you arent the grown up if a mild disagreement about how you phrase yourself when talking about antifa makes you cram out all the topics you remembered that we had disagreements about lmao.

and me laughing at this quote from you "I'm saying that you can't be antifascist and be right wing. You can be against fascism if you are right wing" is totally warranted because of how utterly retarded this statement is.

Being against fascism makes you antifascist. like, using words cant get simpler than this. so if you supposedly unterstand that antifa stands for the political movement "antifascist action", how you dont understand that being against fascism makes you antifascist is beyond me.

you are clearly not up for talks between grown-ups, so kindly fuck off and reflect a little before you throw around emtpy accusations again because your little fweelings got hurt.

It means antifascism. Antifascism means antifascism. Which is the action of acting against fascism > ergo > antifascist actions as the first antifa group was firstly named. Antifa means being an antifascist : being against and ACTING against fascism.

Which is.. as I explained earlier, not possible for rightist as rightism is a step FOR fascism to walk on. Not something that can fight it.

Learn about this please. I'm tired of constantly trying to explain you contextual data because you can't look away from a dictionnary.

issue is logiko doesnt use words as they are intended. he just makes up shit and if you dont agree then you
1) dont understand his profound wisdom
2) are a transphobe,fascist,homophobe,racist,whatever

I used words as they should > With the knowledge of contextual informations and not through the lens of a big book that is meant to give you basic and unchecked biased informations. (dictionnaries).

If you understood this simple nuance, you would understand why you are constantly trying to contradict me and why I'm constantly saying the same thing : stop looking at definition, use contextual informations and x knowledge.

Neither. I didn't laugh at what happened to Shakky.

There was a popular meme where a rapper was reading a "Women deserve less" book, and includes a lot of anti women lyrics in his songs. So when I read the scene, I thought it would be funny to rework that meme to include sommers instead of the rapper, which made me laugh. Has nothing to actually do with SHakky.

Allow me to talk to you a little bit about humor. Humor can be oppressive or it can be inclusive.

Here, if we simplify, the purpose of this humor is to you laugh because a man who slapped a woman actually read a sexist book. Which ... is not really funny in itself unless we think it's funny that sexist men beat women. As here is the catch > This meme could perfectly be read by a sexist man just as funnily as you did. So what does this means?

The reality is that the action is not questionned, we are supposed to laugh because the man is sexist, but no one is telling us why it is sexist. We laugh because there was a woman beaten in the first place. This therefore puts not only the man, but the woman as a subject of the joke here.

This is what we call oppressive humor as it negates and strongly exclude the victim of such act from being able to laugh with you (women in that instance)

This is usually edgy and right wing humor.

Here is how you can improve this by including and laughing with the victim and centring the subject of the joke on the sexist man

I kept your picture. I simply reframed it twice. For me, this is sweater anda lot funnier that what you gave me.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

"i would be considered a nazi here"
=/=
"i am a nazi"

so fucking lame my guy

American culture warrior

 

[Zenos7]

It means antifascism.

no it doesnt. its short for "antifascist action" and is a political movement.

antifascism is not the same as the political movement "antifascist action".

seriously im not going to bother to read the rest of your post

 

[AverageBuggyEnjoyer]

He’s a self-proclaimed Nazi, my guy

I only saw his argument with Reborn and Monkey D Theories on immigration, I disagree with him on that btw.

Just to give him the benefit of the doubt, based on the quote you posted, he's saying people here would consider him a Nazi, not that he's claiming to be one. Of course if he is or does, he won't be around for long because Al will ban him to Mars lol

 

[Jew D. Boy]

"i would be considered a nazi here"
=/=
"i am a nazi"

so fucking lame my guy

“People would consider me a Nazi” is not the kind of thing said by people who AREN’T Nazis, but I’m sorry I apparently struck a nerve by even mentioning them, I guess I made you tell on yourself too
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I only saw his argument with Reborn and Monkey D Theories on immigration, I disagree with him on that btw.

Just to give him the benefit of the doubt, based on the quote you posted, he's saying people here would consider him a Nazi, not that he's claiming to be one. Of course if he is or does, he won't be around for long because Al will ban him to Mars lol

See above 👆

 

[AverageBuggyEnjoyer]

Allow me to talk to you a little bit about humor. Humor can be oppressive or it can be inclusive.

Here, if we simplify, the purpose of this humor is to you laugh because a man who slapped a woman actually read a sexist book. Which ... is not really funny in itself unless we think it's funny that sexist men beat women. As here is the catch > This meme could perfectly be read by a sexist man just as funnily as you did. So what does this means?

The reality is that the action is not questionned, we are supposed to laugh because the man is sexist, but no one is telling us why it is sexist. We laugh because there was a woman beaten in the first place. This therefore puts not only the man, but the woman as a subject of the joke here.

This is what we call oppressive humor as it negates and strongly exclude the victim of such act from being able to laugh with you (women in that instance)

This is usually edgy and right wing humor.

Here is how you can improve this by including and laughing with the victim and centring the subject of the joke on the sexist man

I kept your picture. I simply reframed it twice. For me, this is sweater anda lot funnier that what you gave me.

Jesus man you must be a hoot at parties lmao