He's dogmatic and dismissive of other people opinions if they don't align with his world view. He developed habit of gate keeping, that's why he often come across as controlling.
Gatekeeping? I never stopped sharing everything I know...

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and survival of the fittest.
This situation didn't happen because of survival. It's a situation of domination created by a power colonizing a land for material interests.



But materialism cannot account for morals and would reduce what Israel is doing to matter interacting with matter
Materialism is not about matter, that's physicalism. Materialism is a vision that take material condition of existence (religion, possessions, salary, leaving conditions, access to social circles etc.) into account.

What Israel is doing is related to colonial / imperialist interest and religious interests. (two material interests).


if everything is matter, then isn't what Israel doing just ultimately some bits of matter attacking other bits of matter? no "good" or "evil", just atoms moving around
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Technically, yes, I can say this because I'm also physicalist. But yeah, good and evil do not exist.

Only exist ethical and material interests created by our global social world wide material conditions of existences.

Genocide is not bad because it's evil, genocide is bad because it ends lives and prevent people from living and be happy.
 
Materialism is not about matter, that's physicalism. Materialism is a vision that take material condition of existence (religion, possessions, salary, leaving conditions, access to social circles etc.) into account.

What Israel is doing is related to colonial / imperialist interest and religious interests. (two material interests).
I agree it's a material issue in that sense...as many political issues are
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Only exist ethical and material interests created by our global social world wide material conditions of existences.

Genocide is not bad because it's evil, genocide is bad because it ends lives and prevent people from living and be happy
Not sure how you are differentiating "bad" from evil here. I think creating sorrow and depriving people of their life are two reasons murder/genocide is evil, lol
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
Gatekeeping? I never stopped sharing everything I know...

:risicheck:


This situation didn't happen because of survival. It's a situation of domination created by a power colonizing a land for material interests.




Materialism is not about matter, that's physicalism. Materialism is a vision that take material condition of existence (religion, possessions, salary, leaving conditions, access to social circles etc.) into account.

What Israel is doing is related to colonial / imperialist interest and religious interests. (two material interests).



Technically, yes, I can say this because I'm also physicalist. But yeah, good and evil do not exist.

Only exist ethical and material interests created by our global social world wide material conditions of existences.

Genocide is not bad because it's evil, genocide is bad because it ends lives and prevent people from living and be happy.
Gate keeping doesn't mean you don't share.

It means narrow interpretations.

For instance, you literally count whom you will consider leftist as per your own world view.

By doing so, you don't just disagree... you invalidate other people views.
 
I agree it's a material issue in that sense...as many political issues are
Historical materialism and overall marxism (as a global knowledge) are necessary tools to understand the world in its material reality.

Are there blindspot? Yes. Can we compensate with others tools? Yes (intersectionnality).

But this is what differenciate people idealizing the world VS people who analyzing it under the most rationnal and ethical lens possible.


Gate keeping doesn't mean you don't share.

It means narrow interpretations.
I consider the term gatekeeping in its original sense as a relationship of power between someone that holds a knowledge and someone who needs the knowledge.

What you are describing is more alike to tone policing and simple labelling. I don't hold any power over you.


For instance, you literally count whom you will consider leftist as per your own world view.

By doing so, you don't just disagree... you invalidate other people views.
For a gatekeeping dynamic to happen, I would need to have access to the power of reduce your agency and access to information.

Me labelling you has nothing to do with gatekeeping, it's me calling out your BS, and you not appreciating that.


Not sure how you are differentiating "bad" from evil here. I think creating sorrow and depriving people of their life are two reasons murder/genocide is evil, lol
Yeah, I agree you can consider this an evil act. As an ethical observation, it works since evil is not used as a sub natural describing entity here but the simple ethical description of human actions.

I usually use the word "bad" as in "we should not do that". Evil is the nature, bad is simply a way to ease the conversation.
 
Historical materialism and overall marxism (as a global knowledge) are necessary tools to understand the world in its material reality.

Are there blindspot? Yes. Can we compensate with others tools? Yes (intersectionnality).

But this is what differenciate people idealizing the world VS people who analyzing it under the most rationnal and ethical lens possible.




I consider the term gatekeeping in its original sense as a relationship of power between someone that holds a knowledge and someone who needs the knowledge.

What you are describing is more alike to tone policing and simple labelling. I don't hold any power over you.




For a gatekeeping dynamic to happen, I would need to have access to the power of reduce your agency and access to information.

Me labelling you has nothing to do with gatekeeping, it's me calling out your BS, and you not appreciating that.



Yeah, I agree you can consider this an evil act. As an ethical observation, it works since evil is not used as a sub natural describing entity here but the simple ethical description of human actions.

I usually use the word "bad" as in "we should not do that". Evil is the nature, bad is simply a way to ease the conversation.
No I thought U said there is no "good" or "evil", so genocide cannot be objectively evil

you say it is "bad", what bad? Is "bad" a piece of matter somewhere? If everything is matter there is no "bad" just atoms bumping into each other.
 
No I thought U said there is no "good" or "evil", so genocide cannot be objectively evil

you say it is "bad", what bad? Is "bad" a piece of matter somewhere? If everything is matter there is no "bad" just atoms bumping into each other.
Bad, in my mouth or words at least, is just an observation of a situation : "It's bad because it's non ethical and horrific"

In a materialistic world, in fact a full physicalist "free will is a myth" kind of world, the reality does not erease this simple principle:

"I think, therefore I am" - If you think, therefore you can distinguish what makes you tick from what makes you wiggle.
 
Sounds like a fun Thursday night with my wife tbh
I would call that "good" but Logiko may disagree (good and evil ain't real)
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Bad, in my mouth or words at least, is just an observation of a situation : "It's bad because it's non ethical and horrific"

In a materialistic world, in fact a full physicalist "free will is a myth" kind of world, the reality does not erease this simple principle:

"I think, therefore I am" - If you think, therefore you can distinguish what makes you tick from what makes you wiggle.
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how can you say any situation can be "bad", or "good"? I thought everything is atoms and matter bumping around
 

AL sama

Red Haired
this is my most favorite quote by myself

"there's no good there's no evil there's no right there's no wrong there's only one thing and that's point of view"
 
how can you say any situation can be "bad", or "good"? I thought everything is atoms and matter bumping around
Your consciousness and therefore your ethics are a reality.

A natural and product of the material conditions of reproduction < Life < Planets < Stars < Gaz < Galaxies formations < Big Bang


We used to post memes about how retarded Kamala Harris is, and how big of a meme Trump is, now we're debating ontological reality of good and evil in the light of materialism.......this is what happens when y'all get sucked into Logiko's pace...we used to be a proper thread :josad:
 
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