Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

>said no one was ecstatic
> but now claims if they were they were justified

I was talking about this thread as you said "you"

lmao this is textbook narcissist prayer. Mind you I said nothing about Palestinians themselves celebrating it. I was mainly thinning about people outside of Palestine such as the west or other arab states

Mate. I'm sorry but you live in a cocoon. You do not get that domination and oppression happening currently to Palestinian in Palestine because of Israel and Western imperialism is not secluded to Palestine alone and happens everywhere to marginalized and racialized or subjegated populations, either on metropoles or subjegated country by the west. Their anger is perfectly legitimate, stay at your place.

 

[Roo]

I was talking about this thread as you said "you"

The “you” clearly doesn’t literally mean you in that sentence. It’s just in general. Anybody who celebrated the Oct 7th attack doesn’t get to bitch about the ceasefire not being favorable towards Palestinians

Mate. I'm sorry but you live in a cocoon. You do not get that domination and oppression happening currently to Palestinian in Palestine because of Israel and Western imperialism is not secluded to Palestine alone and happens everywhere to marginalized and racialized or subjegated population, either on metropoles or subjegated country by the west. Their anger is perfectly legitimate, stay at your place.

So nobody has done it

but if they have it is good?

lmao exactly a narcissist prayer. Please tell me how a white kid from Californian is impacted by the western imperialism to the point where it’s okay to celebrate the murder of civilians

 

[Punk Rotten]

Don’t know if anyone posted this yet, but Peter Thiel, a total technocrat Christian Nationalist is mentioning One Piece as pop cultural and literature evidence of the Antichrist and Armageddon.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/10/peter-thiel-lectures-antichrist


“ Thiel later finds biblical meaning in the manga One Piece, discussing how he believes it represents a future where an antichrist-like one-world government has repressed science. He believes that the hero, Monkey D Luffy, represents a Christlike figure.

“In One Piece, you are set in a fantasy world, again sort of an alternate earth, but it’s 800 years into the reign of this one-world state. Which, as the story unfolds, gradually gets darker and darker. You sort of realize, in my interpretation, who runs the world and it’s something like the antichrist. There’s Luffy, a pirate who wears a red straw hat, sort of like Christ’s crown of thorns. And then towards the end of the story, transforms into a figure who resembles Christ in Revelation.”

 

[Zenos7]

Again, there is what basic definitions says, and there is what the research says. The two are different. Basic definition are made to vulgarize complex concepts, they are, often, inexact. If you want to know what racism really is, you must need to look at the research on the subject. as such, you can understand why racism can't be interindividual and can only be systemic.

Bro there is a reason it is called SYSTEMIC RACISM as opposed to just RACISM.

Its two different things. Your inability to use words properly is no ones fault but your own.
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>said no one was ecstatic
> but now claims if they were they were justified

lmao this is textbook narcissist prayer. Mind you I said nothing about Palestinians themselves celebrating it. I was mainly thinking about people outside of Palestine such as the west or other arab states

Logiko is nuts

 

[Punk Rotten]

I have been mentioning, in the Bible Jesus has a state where his appearence is like Nika's, and Nika (not Luffy), has a lot of Jesus parallels
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White clothes, white hair, and other stuff

INCLUDING a double edged sword ( which Nika has in the Jarul panel )

I get it the parallels, it’s just wild to see this amount of frantic religious belief and Trump ally have this exaggerated take on this manga

 

[Blax Blah]

I get it the parallels, it’s just wild to see this amount of frantic religious belief and Trump ally have this exaggerated take on this manga

Yeah I don't know what to say

 

[Logiko]

So nobody has done it

but if they have it is good?

lmao exactly a narcissist prayer. Please tell me how a white kid from Californian is impacted by the western imperialism to the point where it’s okay to celebrate the murder of civilians

It's not good or bad, it's celebration, it's a catharsis and a result of anger and the anger does not do a background check.
As for the white kid, chances are you are actually talking about racialized people or activists who fight day to day colonialism and imperialism head on, and not random souls just saying nonsense for the fun of it without thinking.

Don’t know if anyone posted this yet, but Peter Thiel, a total technocrat Christian Nationalist is mentioning One Piece as pop cultural and literature evidence of the Antichrist and Armageddon.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/10/peter-thiel-lectures-antichrist


“ Thiel later finds biblical meaning in the manga One Piece, discussing how he believes it represents a future where an antichrist-like one-world government has repressed science. He believes that the hero, Monkey D Luffy, represents a Christlike figure.

“In One Piece, you are set in a fantasy world, again sort of an alternate earth, but it’s 800 years into the reign of this one-world state. Which, as the story unfolds, gradually gets darker and darker. You sort of realize, in my interpretation, who runs the world and it’s something like the antichrist. There’s Luffy, a pirate who wears a red straw hat, sort of like Christ’s crown of thorns. And then towards the end of the story, transforms into a figure who resembles Christ in Revelation.”

Yeah.. while I CAN agree with Blax about the similarities of Luffy with the christian symbolism with gear 5, people who do not know how a story works should not try to analyze shit. Especially CEO gourous. Especially if they are trying to convert. One Piece is a MIX of multiple cultural reference, the religious aspect (which is still debatable) is only one of them.

Bro there is a reason it is called SYSTEMIC RACISM as opposed to just RACISM.

Its two different things. Your inability to use words properly is no ones fault but your own.

Systemic racism is racism. The distinction is only the result of scientist and activist trying to push back a more accurate definition on the concept when it was dumbed down and missused by people l:ike you. Racism is a domination system.

Logiko is nuts

Not really no.

 

[Blax Blah]

It's not good or bad, it's celebration, it's a catharsis and a result of anger and the anger does not do a background check.
As for the white kid, chances are you are actually talking about racialized people or activists who fight day to day colonialism and imperialism head on, and not random souls just saying nonsense for the fun of it without thinking.



Yeah.. while I CAN agree with Blax about the similarities of Luffy with the christian symbolism with gear 5, people who do not know how a story works should not try to analyze shit. Especially CEO gourous. Especially if they are trying to convert. One Piece is a MIX of multiple cultural reference, the religious aspect (which is still debatable) is only one of them.


Systemic racism is racism. The distinction is only the result of scientist and activist trying to push back a more accurate definition on the concept when it was dumbed down and missused by people l:ike you. Racism is a domination system.



Not really no.

I'm just saying, Nika looks like Jesus Christ does, and he's called a deity who frees slaves, which is also what Jesus does
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Revelation 1:14-16


14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;


15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.


16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.



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Matthew 17:1-2


And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,


2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.



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Also

In the Bible there is a theme, that the word of God is a sword, and it's sharper than any two-edged sword, and in Revelation, Jesus has a sword that comes out of his mouth.

And Nika has a two-edged sword, and hypothetically speaking, if it came out of his mouth, it would be held in the way we see it be held

And Nika has direct christian ties in story, because Kuma has a Bible and seems to worship Nika
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I actually think there is more reason to think Luffy may not be recognised as the king of the pirates globally in story, than that Nika is not in-universe Jesus

 

[Roo]

It's not good or bad, it's celebration, it's a catharsis and a result of anger and the anger does not do a background check.
As for the white kid, chances are you are actually talking about racialized people or activists who fight day to day colonialism and imperialism head on, and not random souls just saying nonsense for the fun of it without thinking.

Those people have no rights to bitch about the ceasefire if they celebrated something that is clearly leading away from a palestinian state

It's not about good or bad, it's pointing out a common narcissist tactic, deny something and then minimize if it's proven to have happen.

 

[Logiko]

I'm just saying, Nika looks like Jesus Christ does, and he's called a deity who frees slaves, which is also what Jesus does

And I agree with your analysis, there are some similarities indeed.

It's not about good or bad, it's pointing out a common narcissist tactic, deny something and then minimize if it's proven to have happen.

You are still talking about me missunderstanding your sentence? Grow up and write better.

Those people have no rights to bitch about the ceasefire if they celebrated something that is clearly leading away from a palestinian state

It's not up to you to tell people to stop bitching about the perpetuation of an oppression. Start talking about the situation and how oppression will continue instead of focusing on people being angry at a GENOCIDAL and COLONIAL APARTHEID state, with good or bad reactions in front of the demise of colonists.

 

[Zenos7]

Systemic racism is racism. The distinction is only the result of scientist and activist trying to push back a more accurate definition on the concept when it was dumbed down and missused by people l:ike you. Racism is a domination system.

Well have fun being wrong.

Last time we talked about this you were at least acknowledging that individual racism and the distinction to systemic racism are a thing,just that you were focusing on systemic racism because thats the much bigger issue (and it sure is)

 

[Logiko]

Well have fun being wrong.

Last time we talked about this you were at least acknowledging that individual racism and the distinction to systemic racism are a thing,just that you were focusing on systemic racism because thats the much bigger issue (and it sure is).

Yeah, and last time I was not knowledgable enough about Racism. Like I already explained multipled time before, I didn't spend 7 month doing nothing. I radicalized, which lend me to learn a LOT about domination systems such as racism. What you ar etalking about are discrimination, not racism which is a structural and systemic problem linked to whiteness and white supremacism.

 

[Zenos7]

Yeah, and last time I was not knowledgable enough about Racism. Like I already explained multipled time before, I didn't spend 7 month doing nothing. I radicalized, which lend me to learn a LOT about domination systems such as racism. What you ar etalking about are discrimination, not racism which is a structural and systemic problem linked to whiteness and white supremacism.

Discrimination isnt necessarily on the basis of race though.

So just talking out of your ass here. No surprise

 

[Logiko]

Discrimination isnt necessarily on the basis of race though.

That's what I implied..



You are talking about a form of interpersonnal discriminations, at best a form of reject. Not racism.

 

[Roo]

You are still talking about me missunderstanding your sentence? Grow up and write better.

lol anybody with a basic understanding of english understood my sentence lmao

It's not up to you to tell people to stop bitching about the perpetuation of an oppression. Start talking about the situation and how oppression will continue instead of focusing on people being angry at a GENOCIDAL and COLONIAL APARTHEID state, with good or bad reactions in front of the demise of colonists.

Actually it is up to me, these words are from my mouth lol

Just like I can tell republicans who bitch about the current state of the government to fuck off I say the same to the retards who celebrated oct 7th.

 

[AL sama]

I found a topic for a debate !


Proposition : "Anti-white racism doesn't exist but racism against people who are white exists even though it's not based on their skin color"
Examples : Whites and not a western colonizer but from North-Africa or the Middle-East (or really from lots of different places).
Name : Cultural racism ? Xenophobia ? Racism "but no racial profiling" ?
Axiology next to "classical racism" : Is it systemic racism ? Yes it is even though it doesn't work very well for racial profiling.


Far-right is excluded from the debate. Only intellectuals are allowed

you were bored when you posted this right??

 

[AL sama]

we're back at I wanna kill you means I love you huh

 

[Mathias]

you were bored when you posted this right??

I’m only posting when I’m bored.

Anyway do you disagree with the take ? Because literally no one is reacting negatively

 

[Reborn]

Have you seen The Rock with his wig in that wrestling movie ? He looks just like us :)

Rock with wig? Looks just like us? I don't come in that "us"

 

[Mathias]

Rock with wig? Looks just like us? I don't come in that "us"

He looks human :)

Spoiler

Did the rock betray the bald community ?