''Just believe me, I have a lot to say, I will challenge and change all your beliefs and I deserve a lot of respect''

If he were Christian he'd be a missionary of some cult.



You know how the old saying goes - you either die a villain, or live long enough to become an even bigger villain and and then still die :gokulaugh:
Ooooh nonono someone is about to celebrate a guy's death within the next 2 years:shocked:


@Zenos7 Van used to mod the old nakama thread btw. He knows what he's talking about.
 
He was banned and you are tripping
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If he were Christian he'd be a missionary of some cult.
Ye there are some parallels to how religious apologists argue
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@Zenos7 Van used to mod the old nakama thread btw. He knows what he's talking about
Does that really matter? I mean, @Uncle Van is a cop after all, so he is an evil oppressive sexist bastard

/s
 
''Just believe me, I have a lot to say, I will challenge and change all your beliefs and I deserve a lot of respect''

If he were Christian he'd be a missionary of some cult.
Ye there are some parallels to how religious apologists argue
That's.. sadly true. There is a necessity of a leap of faith here. Let's try something else : I'll put you in my position and pov for two seconds.

To do that, imagine that you are a science vulgarizer, and half of your family members adopted far right conspiracy/flat-earth theories. There is a risk of right wing radicalization of the entire group, what do you do to avoid losing everyone?
 
That's.. sadly true. There is a necessity of a leap of faith here. Let's try something else : I'll put you in my position and pov for two seconds.
Leap if faith is a fancy way to say ''just trust me bro'':kobeha:

To do that, imagine that you are a science vulgarizer, and half of your family members adopted far right conspiracy/flat-earth theories. There is a risk of right wing radicalization of the entire group, what do you do to avoid losing everyone?
Haul ass and save myself.
 
Leap if faith is a fancy way to say ''just trust me bro'':kobeha:
In a way.. yeah.
You need to understand that your rationality is not enough for you to adopt rational beliefs. If that was the case, science wouldn't have to make it's own self-critique right now. Your biases will come in the way between you, your rationality and the understanding of the subject.


Haul ass and save myself.
I see..
 
do that, imagine that you are a science vulgarizer, and half of your family members adopted far right conspiracy/flat-earth theories. There is a risk of right wing radicalization of the entire group, what do you do to avoid losing everyone?
Bitch stfu , if anything you are the flerf here
 
-Calls others irrational
-Is among most irrational posters
-always complains when others call him out

:Nik_Youthink:
Lmao
If only you knew how it sounds from my pov.

Somehow, it amazes me to see how biases can completely shift an individual's perception.


Bitch stfu , if anything you are the flerf here
Ok. We got it, you do not agree with the premisse. Now, how about the reasonning? How would you convince your people? What would you do to keep your family from falling into reactionnarism or create a better and safer place in your home?

Or perhaps you would do like Bear: Bailing out?
 
I think with theism and atheism, either you believe creation needs a creator or not, that's really the main point
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A conversation between a man from hell and Abraham from Abraham's bossom:



Luke 19:27-31


27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:


28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.


29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.


30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.


31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
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Also, you can not prove that someone else sitting next to you really exists, and is not a hallucination, or that they really have conciousness, so I think placing the standard people do on proving God's existence is unreasonable, you would be ridiculous to say a random phone you find somewhere wasn't made by a creator, but everything else is way more complex


According to the Bible, being away from God is done because you want to hide your dark deeds, and not come to the light and be corrected

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John 3:19-21
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

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Keep in mind the condemnation is not that you sinned, the condemnation is you don't come to the light.

Salvation is a one time free thing that you do not work for and you can not lose, the stupidest thing you could ever do is not trust in Jesus Christ for your salvation.
 
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Ok. We got it, you do not agree with the premisse. Now, how about the reasonning? How would you convince your people? What would you do to keep your family from falling into reactionnarism or create a better and safer place in your home?

Or perhaps you would do like Bear: Bailing out?
feel free to tell me, because i failed to convince my stepdad who unironically believes in flat earth, reptilians, qanon bs, vaccines cause autism, chemtrails, etc.
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Also, you can not prove that someone else sitting next to you really exists, and is not a hallucination, or that they really have conciousness, so I think placing the standard people do on proving God's existence is unreasonable, you would be ridiculous to say a random phone you find somewhere wasn't made by a creator, but everything else is way more complex
and god is even more complex than anything else that you say require a creator, but you will do a special pleading fallacy to argue away that god needs an explanation or a creator cause reasons and thats just how you define god.

But in the same vain, one cannot disprove that god created everything 10 seconds ago with fake memories for everyone.
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I think with theism and atheism, either you believe creation needs a creator or not, that's really the main point
Or, i dont believe either of those because we dont actually know whether the universe needed a creator or not.

Its perfectly fine to adopt the position of "i dont know" every now and then instead of doing a god of the gaps argument.
 

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I Can Go Lower
Ooooh nonono someone is about to celebrate a guy's death within the next 2 years:shocked:
Believe me, people are going to dance in the streets once his clogged arteries finally do their thing…piece of shit uses taxpayer money to build a garish $300 million ballroom while actively taking food out of impoverished childrens’ mouths, there isn’t a level of Hell deep enough for that kind of monstrous behavior :beckmoji:
 
feel free to tell me, because i failed to convince my stepdad who unironically believes in flat earth, reptilians, qanon bs, vaccines cause autism, chemtrails, etc.
So it seems that I won't have to battle on this one for once. You do understand that rationality is not enough to convince people under bias
 
According to the Bible, being away from God is done because you want to hide your dark deeds, and not come to the light and be corrected
you cant hide anything from god though, so how does this make any sense?

i have been religious half my life and yet he never cared to reveal himself to me
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So it seems that I won't have to battle on this one for once. You do understand that rationality is not enough to convince people under bias
it really depends on how far down the rabbit hole they are. i think our next meeting will be interesting, since one of my nieces may have autism, so his go-to is obviously that she is autistic due to tylenol/vaccines
 
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and god is even more complex than anything else that you say require a creator, but you will do a special pleading fallacy to argue away that god needs an explanation or a creator cause reasons and thats just how you define god.

But in the same vain, one cannot disprove that god created everything 10 seconds ago with fake memories for everyone.
It's because God made time


Revelation 1:8
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

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Job 38:4-13
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?

9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,

11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?

12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;

13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

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The difference between the belief that others exist, and that God just made you with your memories like you are, is that believing others exist is reasonable and self-evident, but the idea that God just made you with your current memories is baseless.




Or, i dont believe either of those because we dont actually know whether the universe needed a creator or not.

Its perfectly fine to adopt the position of "i dont know" every now and then instead of doing a god of the gaps argument.

Why not take the same attitude with a phone you find somewhere in a field?




you cant hide anything from god though, so how does this make any sense?

i have been religious half my life and yet he never cared to reveal himself to me
By hiding I meant staying in the dark and not coming to him for salvation

You may not have met him, but who made you and the air you breathe and everything you see?



Job 42:1-6

42 Then Job answered the Lord, and said,


2 I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee.


3 Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.


4 Hear, I beseech thee, and I will speak: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.


5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.


6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.
 
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