Controversial General Political Discussion

[Midnight Delight]

Developed countries will never go back to blue collar labor and I just wish politicians would stop selling this dream on people

It was never the case, in terms of the "plural majority job" it was Always

Herding/Agriculture/whatever you wanna call pre Industrial farm stuff

To low skill Factory stuff that people who call themselves skilled Blue Collar workers will insult as for morons

To the current service focused stuff that's basically Blue Collar in everything but " masculine aesthetics"

The idea that people in the 50s were Rebel without a cause "cool traders" with Mullets is weird

 

[Zenos7]

There is no aggresion from Israel. It's always the arabs attacking them since day 1, and losing every single war by the way.

not quite, but israel is definitely in a very hostile environment

 

[HerreraIsBack]

not quite, but israel is definitely in a very hostile environment

The only time I remember is when Israrel got information they'd be attacked so they attacked first. That 6 days war. Otherwise would probably last much longer and have much more deaths from both sides.
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I mean they also did conquer lands and expel their inhabitants. Even Israeli historians attest to this fact.

You mean the lands that went into war against Israel? They EARNED. Not like they stole like bully. And don't forget that very recently they give away some lands, even taking by force Israeli that didn't wanted to leave, just in order to seek peace. And even that wasn't enough.

 

[Midnight Delight]

I would argue that the 80s lebanon war was stupid and Unprovoked, not attacking PLA, but the dumb Southern Lebanon State Stuff

Especially given the context that Shia believe that Omar was a Kaffir for building a Mosque in Jerusalem in the first place and thus didn't really care about Palestine anymore than for example Christian Baathists in Syria

 

[Roo]

It was never the case, in terms of the "plural majority job" it was Always

Herding/Agriculture/whatever you wanna call pre Industrial farm stuff

To low skill Factory stuff that people who call themselves skilled Blue Collar workers will insult as for morons

To the current service focused stuff that's basically Blue Collar in everything but " masculine aesthetics"

The idea that people in the 50s were Rebel without a cause "cool traders" with Mullets is weird

I mean thinking America will get those large factory jobs back, it won’t happen because they are inefficient Af and even if we were to bring those factories to the U.S a lot of the processes are automated

every politician talks about reviving the rust belt when the truth is even if we were to reopen factories “low skilled” labor wouldn’t exist for the most part.
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The only time I remember is when Israrel got information they'd be attacked so they attacked first. That 6 days war. Otherwise would probably last much longer and have much more deaths from both sides.
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You mean the lands that went into war against Israel? They EARNED. Not like they stole like bully. And don't forget that very recently they give away some lands, even taking by force Israeli that didn't wanted to leave, just in order to seek peace. And even that wasn't enough.

Israel definitely provoked the Arab forces, there isn’t much proof to the allegations that they were preemptive

 

[Midnight Delight]

every politician talks about reviving the rust belt when the truth is even if we were to reopen factories “low skilled” labor wouldn’t exist for the most part.

It would exist relatively

Problem is, because of how global trade is, even with tariffs, American workers would have to work an insane work schedule that most aren't willing to put up with, to compete with the global market where You have Indian and Chinese factories running 24/7

 

[NikaInParis]

Early Israelis were so based that Palestinians willfully disappeared from their very own households so they could become public land and thus available to the coloniz- I mean settlers.
Source: Theodor Herzl's diary

 

[Midnight Delight]

Meanwhile hints are coming that Trump is threatening Israeli Judges about him putting sanctions on Israel if Netanyahu goes to prison...

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Early Israelis were so based that Palestinians willfully disappeared from their very own households so they could become public land and thus available to the coloniz- I mean settlers.
Source: Theodor Herzl's diary

A series of rabbis and cantors have told me it was like the Pilgrims and Indians…the natives in both scenarios actually WANTED to give up their land to the colonizers and were happy to lose their homes if it meant a bunch of light-skinned rich folks would continue prospering at their expense?? Is that not the truth??

 

[Zenos7]

Early Israelis were so based that Palestinians willfully disappeared from their very own households so they could become public land and thus available to the coloniz- I mean settlers.
Source: Theodor Herzl's diary

are you aware that a good portion of israelis were expelled from/had to flee surrounding muslim countries?

are they colonizers as well?

 

[NikaInParis]

are you aware that a good portion of israelis were expelled from/had to flee surrounding muslim countries?

are they colonizers as well?

How does that in any way make the expultion of Palestinians right? Or historically innacurate? And where did I ever deny that a portion of today's Israelis were expelled from their countries of origin?

 

[NikaInParis]

A series of rabbis and cantors have told me it was like the Pilgrims and Indians…the natives in both scenarios actually WANTED to give up their land to the colonizers and were happy to lose their homes if it meant a bunch of light-skinned rich folks would continue prospering at their expense?? Is that not the truth??

Non-white people pray daily for white saviors to arrive and purify their land and make it great. To hell with their own lives and culture.

 

[Zenos7]

How does that in any way make the expultion of Palestinians right?

it doesnt and nothing i said implied that

And where did I ever deny that a portion of today's Israelis were expelled from their countries of origin?

calling them colonizers doesnt seem like you are aware of that fact tbh.
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Non-white people pray daily for white saviors to arrive and purify their land and make it great. To hell with their own lives and culture.

and well posts like this

 

[NikaInParis]

it doesnt and nothing i said implied that


calling them colonizers doesnt seem like you are aware of that fact tbh.
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and well posts like this

Israel is a colonialist project as attested to by Theodor Herzl himself. Tge vast majority of early Israelis were colonizers by definition. You being uncomfortable with a zionist's own words is no skin off my back.

 

[Zenos7]

Israel is a colonialist project as attested to by Theodor Herzl himself. Tge vast majority of early Israelis were colonizers by definition. You being uncomfortable with a zionist's own words is no skin off my back.

they dont actually match the definition, since colonizing is about a country seizing control over other lands. jews didnt have any country before the formation of israel, so that simply doesnt work. im generally fine with the term being used for israel as a country, but its just intellectually lazy and dishonest to call "the vast majority" of israelis colonizers, or white.

 

[Mathias]

they dont actually match the definition, since colonizing is about a country seizing control over other lands. jews didnt have any country before the formation of israel, so that simply doesnt work. im generally fine with the term being used for israel as a country, but its just intellectually lazy and dishonest to call "the vast majority" of israelis colonizers, or white.

Colonisation companies weren’t colonizers because they weren’t a country

 

[Zenos7]

Colonisation companies weren’t colonizers because they weren’t a country

1) they were doing it for their particular countries/on behalf of their government
2) words do have different meanings in different contexts.
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Colonisation companies weren’t colonizers because they weren’t a country

and neither works with the formation of israel anyway

 

[Monkey D Theories]

You mean the lands that went into war against Israel? They EARNED. Not like they stole like bully. And don't forget that very recently they give away some lands, even taking by force Israeli that didn't wanted to leave, just in order to seek peace. And even that wasn't enough.

I mean you can justify it like that if you want.

but they did conquer the land and expel its inhabitants.
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A series of rabbis and cantors have told me it was like the Pilgrims and Indians…the natives in both scenarios actually WANTED to give up their land to the colonizers and were happy to lose their homes if it meant a bunch of light-skinned rich folks would continue prospering at their expense?? Is that not the truth??

What my rabbi told me is that some people willingly left and others were expelled.

Which I suppose is true. But if you leave your land, fleeing a war, and the new regime just claims it and refuses to let you return, I can see why the Palestinians would be angry about that.

 

[Zenos7]

What my rabbi told me is that some people willingly left and others were expelled.

it is multifactorial, land was bought, people fled on their own volition or because arab leaders told them to, and people were actively expelled. Also other countries like egypt or jordan tried to seize parts of the region as well.

and the new regime just claims it and refuses to let you return, I can see why the Palestinians would be angry about that.

100%, but with that same energy i can see why jews would be angry, since they have historically been among the most discriminated against people and were expelled from a ridiculous amount of places.

Its super annoying that both sides ignore these nuances in their propaganda, and is honestly the reason why i dont think a one state solution will ever work, and im even doubtful that there will be lasting peace with israel in that region.

the zionist movement should have created a jewish state somewhere else, regardless of their religious sites.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

What my rabbi told me is that some people willingly left and others were expelled.

Which I suppose is true. But if you leave your land, fleeing a war, and the new regime just claims it and refuses to let you return, I can see why the Palestinians would be angry about that.

I’m sure both are true, but I would wager the ratio skews heavily in one direction in terms of how many people chose which option…still, Jews have been nomads since biblical times, so yeah, I’d also be pissed off if a squatter took over my house while I was on vacation and used the full weight of a nation’s military to prevent me from taking it back when I returned