Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

Men in skirts

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

@Bisoromi Bear did you delete your message

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

@AL sama @Uncle Van
Please thread ban me for 2 weeks

 

[Uncle Van]

You mean without the media perhaps? Fair I'll do that.. but I know people won't click on them.


You are really tiring with your recuring fallacy Van.. I consider people are intelligent & ethical enough to get angry when there are reason to be. If I thought you would not care if you knew or understood what I do, this would mean that I consider that you don't have the level of care I have. I don't believe that. I believe you are all good people that, if presented the correct data, will understand the problem


Great.. I'm hungry for a pizza now..

Ain't no fallacy. People don't understand unless they give you the answers you wanna hear. Just like how people didn't understand story telling for not believing Carrot was being built like a SH. You always claim the opposite of what you do and say.

 

[Logiko]

Ain't no fallacy. People don't understand unless they give you the answers you wanna hear.

Yeah.. obviously. I means aside from a few people, most here don't understand politics, the world or storytelling anyway




But that's not what I'm telling you that I don't do. What I don't do is labelling people as conservative or non ethical the moment they disagree with me.




> It's a fallacy that most people spread, because I say "you don't understand" a lot, but this is false. You will see me disagreeing a lot with leftists here. In fact I had a major disagreement with Blax that you probably didn't see where I tried to demonstrate the vertus of materialism and he wasn't receptive. But it's ok, you never saw me calling him a rightist, or conservative or non ethical because of that.

 

[AL sama]

Yeah.. obviously. I means aside from a few people, most here don't understand politics, the world or storytelling anyway




But that's not what I'm telling you that I don't do. What I don't do is labelling people as conservative or non ethical the moment they disagree with me.




> It's a fallacy that most people spread, because I say "you don't understand" a lot, but this is false. You will see me disagreeing a lot with leftists here. In fact I had a major disagreement with Blax that you probably didn't see where I tried to demonstrate the vertus of materialism and he wasn't receptive. But it's ok, you never saw me calling him a rightist, or conservative or non ethical because of that.

name those few people

 

[Logiko]

can you* name those few people please?*

That was asked so nicely, yes sure:

Blax, Mathias, Toby, Jew for the regular people here. There are other person who come here, but I don't really remember their names for the politics.

For One Piece, check the people who are not hating One Piece daily and can actually listen and agree with a real analytical argument without saying "it's not that deep" or "it's trash and you are just blowing off Oda". Sadly, I can't remember any names right now. Everywhere I look I see narrative desolation.

 

[Logiko]

Btw for the writers and analyst that could potentially come here and about the "it's not that deep" comment:

Here is a video I really like because it defines very clearly something that I've been trying to share here:

The trilateral relationship between a story, an audience, and a writer.

 

[AL sama]

That was asked so nicely, yes sure:

Blax, Mathias, Toby, Jew for the regular people here. There are other person who come here, but I don't really remember their names for the politics.

For One Piece, check the people who are not hating One Piece daily and can actually listen and agree with a real analytical argument without saying "it's not that deep" or "it's trash and you are just blowing off Oda". Sadly, I can't remember any names right now. Everywhere I look I see narrative desolation.

see these people agree with you almost all the time

so by doing so you're saying that the rest of us who mostly disagree with you don't understand things

that was Van's point

 

[Uncle Van]

That was asked so nicely, yes sure:

Blax, Mathias, Toby, Jew for the regular people here. There are other person who come here, but I don't really remember their names for the politics.

For One Piece, check the people who are not hating One Piece daily and can actually listen and agree with a real analytical argument without saying "it's not that deep" or "it's trash and you are just blowing off Oda". Sadly, I can't remember any names right now. Everywhere I look I see narrative desolation.

You took the "if you disagree with me then you don't understand politics" approach with Toby and Mathias. You took the "you dont understand storytelling" with Jew in the nakama threads.

It doesn't matter who it is or what the topic; you claim anyone that doesn't agree with you lacks understanding. It can never be you no matter how often you were proven wrong like with Oda's storytelling for Carrot being a SH.

 

[Zenos7]

You don't need to do something big, you just need to do something.
Do what you can

Amazing ! Are you still a cop ?

 

[Roo]

Chomsky hanging out with Steve Bannon is peak far leftist hate liberals more than they hate fascist

 

[Midnight Delight]

American Soldiers dying because of Jihadists that their government supports
How ironic

 

[Logiko]

see these people agree with you almost all the time

Bra... you didn't read between the lines lol

so by doing so you're saying that the rest of us who mostly disagree with you don't understand things

that was Van's point

No. Van's point is that I call everyone who disagree a conservative. Like I said, I do not. But yeah. Most people on the right here do not understand (and potentially have material interest that prevent them from agreeing) or they would be on the left.

There are things that I do not understand, but contrary to most people here, I learned to shut up about these topics.

Result: I talk about only the two things that I do understand very clearly: Politics and Storytelling.

You took the "if you disagree with me then you don't understand politics" approach with Toby and Mathias. You took the "you dont understand storytelling" with Jew in the nakama threads.

Yeah, but did you see me call them conservatists recently?

I'm pretty sure I've been very clear for at least a years and a half now that these people are my allies here, and I have no reasons to label them as rightists. And if I did before, it was probably because until two years ago, I couldn't remember a single name on this forum and everyone looked like a big blob of toxicity. > I had to answer to too many people too fast, it fried my brain.

ou took the "you dont understand storytelling" with Jew in the nakama threads.

Don't confuse the two subjects. I have - I believe - no allies on this server regarding my stance on the state of this forum and the fanbase but also with the hate that spreads here.

It was me VS everyone else. Impossible for me to create nuance between povs. I applied a big average and I replied post by post.

It can never be you no matter how often you were proven wrong like with Oda's storytelling for Carrot being a SH.

You are a mod, you should have privileges that I don't. Please, check ALL the times on this forum where I say "you are right" and "I was wrong" or "I'm wrong" or "you were right".

You will see these sentences pop-up more with me than anyone else here.

+

I acknowledged very clearly and publically that my theory was wrong, but you keep making the same confusion over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again....

A theory =/= An analysis

Now pleeeeeeeease understand this.

 

[Uncle Van]

Bra... you didn't read between the lines lol


No. Van's point is that I call everyone who disagree a conservative.

It clearly wasn't. Why don't you "read between the line"?

 

[Roo]

That was asked so nicely, yes sure:

Blax, Mathias, Toby, Jew for the regular people here. There are other person who come here, but I don't really remember their names for the politics.

aka anybody who agrees with some of my politic takes

bruh the hubris lol

 

[Midnight Delight]

Saturnalia is soon

 

[Logiko]

It clearly wasn't. Why don't you "read between the line"?

>>>

As someone who disagreed with him, his logic makes you a toxic conservative as well

> If this post meant "everyone who disagrees with Logiko is believed to be a toxic conservative by him" then you don't really read what I say on this forum.

> If this post meant "Actually he just consider that everyone who disagrees with him doesn't understand".. then yeah. You are right.

So what?

aka anybody who agrees with some of my politic takes

bruh the hubris lol

No, just people who understand what leftism is, at least in the big shapes.

Ask anyone of them their opinion on me and you will see that they disagree with me a lot. And you should know that in a leftist space, I would not hold back. But here, they are my allies. (not even sure it's mutual lol)

 

[Roo]

No, just people who understand what leftism is, at least in the big shapes.

Ask anyone of them their opinion on me and you will see that they disagree with me a lot. And you should know that in a leftist space, I would not hold back. But here, they are my allies. (not even sure it's mutual lol)

by agree I mean are basically on the left

Idk how you can say a guy like Van doesn't understand politics, even if I find his takes too conspiracy pilled for my taste at times he clearly understands politics

 

[Midnight Delight]

aka anybody who agrees with some of my politic takes

bruh the hubris lol

That is basically what any online political debate space devolves into anyway