Controversial General Political Discussion

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

@Uncle Van @AL sama @TheAncientCenturion

Let's say that I create a form of petition about the state of Worstgen and a list potential change.

How many people would need to sign the petition (reasonnably) for the staff to consider potential change?

Far right one yeah. Authoritarian one yeah. Religious one also yeah. But that's not because of the radicalization, that's because of the values that such radicalization creates.

The better question would rather be: Is it ethical to radicalize and if yes, in which context?



A prime rule of politics is that a space where reactionaries and fascist can talk freely can only adopt these values over time.

This means that in a fascist world, a forum such as this one, with only basic rules of conduct, will eventually let fascist and reactionaries enter the space, which will eventually push the space toward reactionarism and toxicity. This is not an invention, this is a basic political and social process.

If you want this place to be positive place, then this forum needs to contain the trashtalking behavior and adopt an ethical stance. Then it must be protected from the reactionnarism. I'm really not overestimating the importance of having progressive an ethical space on the internet in the current geopolitical context (fascism rising everywhere).



Careful. Don't essentialize.

As you said, there might be muslim rejoicing, but they are reactionaries like you said. It's important to keep the nuance especially now, this is what prevent us from separating zionists from jews.

And no, the internet must not be nuke. Without the internet, we wouldn't even be aware of the genocide.




You really should stop talking now


Without internet, there would be no me too, feminism would still be stuck in the 90', there would no awareness of genocides and massacres, imperialism would be hands free, racism would be hands free. There would be no representations, the world would be slow down by decades in term of protests and human rights.

Yeah, internet accelerated the rise of fascist ideas, but it also accelerated the rise of progressive one too.

You act like there won't be any devices at all?
There'd still be TVs, radios, newspapers, etc.
These movements don't NEED the internet. The internet just helps those movements. But it doesn't take away the fact that the internet has still done more bad on average than it has good.
Think of all the people who've been harassed by racists, or creeps, or misogynists, or more. And some people even get pushed to suicide because of that.
There's also a ton of gore, child pornography, and more all over the internet. Especially on sites like Twitter.
I gotta say, I really don't think the internet was a good idea. At the very most it should have stayed the way it was over a decade ago

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

@Uncle Van @AL sama @TheAncientCenturion

Let's say that I create a form of petition about the state of Worstgen and a list potential change.

How many people would need to sign the petition (reasonnably) for the staff to consider potential change?

Far right one yeah. Authoritarian one yeah. Religious one also yeah. But that's not because of the radicalization, that's because of the values that such radicalization creates.

The better question would rather be: Is it ethical to radicalize and if yes, in which context?



A prime rule of politics is that a space where reactionaries and fascist can talk freely can only adopt these values over time.

This means that in a fascist world, a forum such as this one, with only basic rules of conduct, will eventually let fascist and reactionaries enter the space, which will eventually push the space toward reactionarism and toxicity. This is not an invention, this is a basic political and social process.

If you want this place to be positive place, then this forum needs to contain the trashtalking behavior and adopt an ethical stance. Then it must be protected from the reactionnarism. I'm really not overestimating the importance of having progressive an ethical space on the internet in the current geopolitical context (fascism rising everywhere).



Careful. Don't essentialize.

As you said, there might be muslim rejoicing, but they are reactionaries like you said. It's important to keep the nuance especially now, this is what prevent us from separating zionists from jews.

And no, the internet must not be nuke. Without the internet, we wouldn't even be aware of the genocide.




You really should stop talking now


Without internet, there would be no me too, feminism would still be stuck in the 90', there would no awareness of genocides and massacres, imperialism would be hands free, racism would be hands free. There would be no representations, the world would be slow down by decades in term of protests and human rights.

Yeah, internet accelerated the rise of fascist ideas, but it also accelerated the rise of progressive one too.

I meant the Muslims celebrating it all, not all. It’d be hypocritical of me to generalise in a post calling out generalisation.

The nuke the internet bit was obviously an exaggeration gang. I don’t seriously mean it. It just means I’m hella pissed at the scumbags using a mass shooting in my city to push their racist propaganda.

 

[Logiko]

You act like there won't be any devices at all?
There'd still be TVs, radios, newspapers, etc.

This is nothing compared to internet. Internet allowed the creation of instantly accessible Hubs of influences. This is not something that can be reproduced with TV radios or newspaper. This configuration created the acceleration of society that we know today.

Without internet, worldwide societies would be completely different.

But it doesn't take away the fact that the internet has still done more bad on average than it has good.

And on what evidences are you basing this affirmation ?

Think of all the people who've been harassed by racists, or creeps, or misogynists, or more. And some people even get pushed to suicide because of that.

Think of all the people who find someone, who found their vocation, who felt represented, who were saved because of the internet.

You remember the bad without taking the good into account. Just because you want the bad to overshadow the good.

I gotta say, I really don't think the internet was a good idea. At the very most it should have stayed the way it was over a decade ago

The problem of internet is not internet, it's capitalism and the other domination system that pushes the system toward necrosis.

Internet is necessary, without it, we wouldn't be able to fight back systematically on a worldwide scale. There are reasons to be pessimist, but there we have an ethical duty to be optimist, for Internet too.

The nuke the internet bit was obviously an exaggeration gang. I don’t seriously mean it. It just means I’m hella pissed at the scumbags using a mass shooting in my city to push their racist propaganda

I get your frustration

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

This is nothing compared to internet. Internet allowed the creation of instantly accessible Hubs of influences. This is not something that can be reproduced with TV radios or newspaper. This configuration created the acceleration of society that we know today.

Without internet, worldwide societies would be completely different.



And on what evidences are you basing this affirmation ?



Think of all the people who find someone, who found their vocation, who felt represented, who were saved because of the internet.

You remember the bad without taking the good into account. Just because you want the bad to overshadow the good.


The problem of internet is not internet, it's capitalism that pushes the system toward necrosis.

Internet is necessary, without it, we wouldn't be able to fight back systematically on a worldwide scale. There are reasons to be pessimist, but there we have an ethical duty to be optimist, for Internet too.


I get your frustration

Social media turns you into an obsessed zombie. You crave dopamine from constant scrolling and engagement. You want to keep watching videos no matter what. You just need to look the next meme before you quit and you can do that easily as it's just a quick swipe of your finger away.
But news flash, people rarely quit once they've started. Because all these algorithms are meant to be addictive. That's why so many people's dopamine receptors are just fried beyond belief now and why so many people get hooked on porn or fall down tiktok/instagram/twitter rabbit holes.

 

[Logiko]

Social media turns you into an obsessed zombie.

Not necessarily. Without social media I would still believe in weird stuff.

You crave dopamine from constant scrolling and engagement. You want to keep watching videos no matter what. You just need to look the next meme before you quit and you can do that easily as it's just a quick swipe of your finger away.

Yeah. You are talking to someone whose entiere situation is mainly due to a dopamine problem. So yeah, this is true. But this doesn't mean that you can't create barrier. And again, withotu capitalism, there would be less of an emphasis for you to consume content and therefore, Internet would feel a lot better.

You are targeting the wrong problem.

That's why so many people's dopamine receptors are just fried beyond belief now and why so many people get hooked on porn or fall down tiktok/instagram/twitter rabbit holes.

Actually there are no evidence for porn to be addictive. On the other hand Tiktok and some social media can be addictive yea. That's why there must be a push to render these app, less addictive.

The solution is not end internet, this would be disaster on a global scale, the solution is to target the problem creating all these symptoms: The main one being capitalism.

You wanna create a better society? I can help you discover how.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Actually there are no evidence for porn to be addictive.

 

[AL sama]

blud thinks this forum runs on democracy

 

[Logiko]

The meta analysis of studies related to porn and addiction show no evidences supporting the hypothesis that Porn could be addictive.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37342297/

The problems related to porn are considered to be link to the aversion an individual has of their own consumption of porn, thus creating a feeling of guilt that can lead to problems such as depression, isolations etc.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30076491/

blud thinks this forum runs on democracy

The last time I asked TAC directly for a change, I have been explained that you are actually a team deciding things as a team

 

[AL sama]

blud missed the point as usual

 

[Logiko]

blud missed the point as usual

So you decide things as a team or not?

 

[Zenos7]

I meant the Muslims celebrating it all, not all. It’d be hypocritical of me to generalise in a post calling out generalisation.

that was clear in your initial post, logiko is just being stupid

 

[Midnight Delight]

it’s not “taqiyya”, different Muslims simply have different beliefs

some just hate Israel, others are legitimately antisemitic

*Most

 

[Zenos7]

blud missed the point as usual

 

[Logiko]

that was clear in your initial post, logiko is just being stupid

No. Just careful.

People will often talk about preventing toxic essentialization and then jump into the same boat. This is what happens with some pro-Isralian pseudo intellectuals. They will scream against the antisemitism of propalestinian voice, denouncing essentialization of jew with horrible actions and they will jump on the dehumanization of arabs, sometimes in the same sweap

I prefered caution just in case

 

[Jew D. Boy]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-posts-jaw-dropping-insult-to-murdered-rob-reiner/
He is the biggest piece of shit who has ever lived, and I promise the entire world will celebrate way more than this once he’s finally gone…don’t forget, this is the same guy who arrested anyone who said anything remotely unkind about Charlie Kirk, so he’s a hypocrite AND a insecure little bitch, just like Reiner always said he is
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@Ravagerblade Yet another reason why nobody respects you or your beliefs, because THIS is the kind of thing your side is notorious for, THIS is who you “people” are at your core; nothing but ugly, small, coldhearted mongrels

 

[NAMELESS]

You act like there won't be any devices at all?
There'd still be TVs, radios, newspapers, etc.
These movements don't NEED the internet. The internet just helps those movements. But it doesn't take away the fact that the internet has still done more bad on average than it has good.
Think of all the people who've been harassed by racists, or creeps, or misogynists, or more. And some people even get pushed to suicide because of that.
There's also a ton of gore, child pornography, and more all over the internet. Especially on sites like Twitter.
I gotta say, I really don't think the internet was a good idea. At the very most it should have stayed the way it was over a decade ago

Are you joking? You guys want to get rid of the best free communication/educational tool ever devised just because some assholes misuse it? WTF?

You act like there won't be any devices at all?
There'd still be TVs, radios, newspapers, etc.
These movements don't NEED the internet. The internet just helps those movements. But it doesn't take away the fact that the internet has still done more bad on average than it has good.
Think of all the people who've been harassed by racists, or creeps, or misogynists, or more. And some people even get pushed to suicide because of that.
There's also a ton of gore, child pornography, and more all over the internet. Especially on sites like Twitter.
I gotta say, I really don't think the internet was a good idea. At the very most it should have stayed the way it was over a decade ago

Btw, TVs, radios, and newspapers are easily monopolized by governments. The internet is not. Without the internet, most of the shit politicians do would go under the radar for the majority of the population. At least in nations where such communications means are heavily controlled by the government.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Are you joking? You guys want to get rid of the best free communication/educational tool ever devised just because some assholes misuse it? WTF?

Btw, TVs, radios, and newspapers are easily monopolized by governments. The internet is not. Without the internet, most of the shit politicians do would go under the radar for the majority of the population. At least in nations where such communications means are heavily controlled by the government.

I never said it was something I'm completely certain about. I know the internet has a lot of great purposes. But it's very flawed by design and this is used against it a LOT

 

[Roo]

Why?
I for one am Glad to see Christians and Muslims(Brothers in Saturnism) saying what's on their mind without hiding Behind Politically Correct Taqiyya drivel, saying what we knew all along but were gaslit into believing it's just conspiracy theories or "extremists"

I know Arabic so I Always knew that the whole "We hate Israel not the Jews" was ALWAYS Taqiyya that was said in front of Westerners

Just like how the Antiracism and Fairness in the west was Always Performative shit said by people in gated Communities, Champagne Socialists if you must

I am glad to see people being honest about their feelings, instead of lying and being two faced

The houthis slogan is literally "curse to the jews"

I hate when people act like the MENA isn't full with antisemitism.

 

[Logiko]

The houthis slogan is literally "curse to the jews"

I hate when people act like the MENA isn't full with antisemitism.

Stop

 

[Roo]

Stop

Why should I? @Midnight Delight is literally from that area and another poster I've talked to has basically said the same.

We have to acknowledge the elephant in the room. Maybe then we can find ways to address how to get it out