Controversial General Political Discussion

[Reborn]

Do you guys read one piece ?

Yes

Only spoilers though

 

[Rej]

Do you guys read one piece ?

Yes, I am one of the only few on this forum who reads the manga actually.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

I won't call it "saved Iran".

Iran has suffered significant damages. Yesterday, Iran said "It can fight long war with USA and Israel but it won't let even a drop of oil pass through Strait of Hormuz unless other countries intervene to stop US and Israel "


To me, it come across as Iran anticpates world to act while keeping the hard stance intact to not lose any face.


Drones simply helped Iran to execute the leverage they have - Choke Hormuz and plan to make world intervene as drones are mainly used to target Gulf nations commercial hubs and energy infrastructure.

But can Iran sustain this while losing its own resources and infrastructure? Yesterday, 30 Iranian oil depots were destroyed in one go.

US isn't targetting energy infrastructure of Iran as of now but the moment US does so, Iran would be out of everything.

It definitely didn't go as US planned but I do think as far damaging Iran is concerned then US and Israel did it successfully.


But US definitely didn't anticipate Hormuz to be used as a leverage..even if they did then not to this extent.

Rising oil prices and shortages of Oil/Gas would affect entire world and would backfire for Trump as well.


Here's the timeline I remember

1) US pressured Iran to have deal

2) Deal didn't work out

3) US and Israel attacked

4) Iran retaliated

Few days later,

5) US - war can last more than a month

2 days later,

6) US - War will be over soon (in a week o

7) Iran - refused to let oil pass through Hormuz unless world intervenes to stop US and Israel

8) Trump - will attack 20 times harder if Iran even dares to stop any vessel


Issue is - oil prices won't go down properly unless there's surety that supply will resume.

For supply to resume, Gulf needs to resume operations like normally with continuation of passage of oil through Hormuz

Iran also damaged US interceptors in Israel and Gulf , this is asymmetric war no one wins here .

Don will say he won but untill there is boots on ground there wont be regime change there is going to be ceasefire because Gulf countries had enough going.

 

[Reborn]

Iran also damaged US interceptors in Israel and Gulf , this is asymmetric war no one wins here .

Don will say he won but untill there is boots on ground there wont be regime change there is going to be ceasefire because Gulf countries had enough going.

US interceptors and radars in the region won't affect US much. Quite confident that significant chunk of money, if not all would be paid by Gulf and Israel for reinstallation.

And, US doesn't need to focus on regime change. I don't think that's their goal. If that had been their goal then we would have seen troops mobilization in the gulf before the war which didn't happen. Strategists can make mistakes but they aren't this dumb to ignore ground realities

US and Israel are focusing on causing damage to military infrastructure and ancillary support systems with heavy economy costs to push Iran years behind.

 

[Roo]

@Roo I think Iran is on it's last leg.

It's strategy now is simply to choke Strait of Hormuz to not let any oil/gas pass and attack Gulf countries commerical infrastructure, to pressure the world to intervene to stop Israel and US. It will end war and Iran will claim they successfully defended against USA and won. Face saving act but it come across as Iran has no other options. It's on last leg.

If US and Israel stays adamant and continue the strikes like yesterday (400+), I think within next 7-10 days or so, Iran would totally be down.

Iran's hope that World will intervene might not work as quickly as Iran thinks- All major countries have oil reserves (China - 3 months reserve, India - 2 months with importing more from Russia, Europe - 60 - 90 days, Canada - exporter, US - few months, Russia - Exporter)

As these countries have sufficient oil reserves so they might not intervene as quickly as Iran anticpates.

But countries lacking reserves might see partial shutdown of their economy.

So, I feel global intervention is necessary as quickly as possible

The language went from “we will destroy their warships” to “we’ll make their lives harder” so yeah something obviously changed lol

its their best strategy tbh, but its also the one that will just keep deteriorating their global relations. I think Trump is already bored of this endeavor but won’t let it up until BB is satisfied

 

[Roo]

They didn't kill enough tbh

Stop

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

US interceptors and radars in the region won't affect US much. Quite confident that significant chunk of money, if not all would be paid by Gulf and Israel for reinstallation.

And, US doesn't need to focus on regime change. I don't think that's their goal. If that had been their goal then we would have seen troops mobilization in the gulf before the war which didn't happen. Strategists can make mistakes but they aren't this dumb to ignore ground realities

US and Israel are focusing on causing damage to military infrastructure and ancillary support systems with heavy economy costs to push Iran years behind.

Lol you think Donnie would listen to the Strategists he literally said he took advise from Jared and Witkoff not his General who warned them not to enter this war .

I agree this is what Bibi wants send Iran years back and create mess in Gulf he was not happy how Gulf were growing economically prosperous.

In a way Trump wanted diversion from Epstein which would doom him in mid term he needed big so killing the mullah would help him win election but it didnt work out as he expected.

 

[Roo]

Lol you think Donnie would listen to the Strategists he literally said he took advise from Jared and Witkoff not his General who warned them not to enter this war .

I agree this is what Bibi wants send Iran years back and create mess in Gulf he was not happy how Gulf were growing economically prosperous.

In a way Trump wanted diversion from Epstein which would doom him in mid term he needed big so killing the mullah would help him win election but it didnt work out as he expected.

The Saudis wanted this too, let's not act like they don't come out of it as the new Muslim power in the MENA with Iran out of the map

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

The Saudis wanted this too, let's not act like they don't come out of it as the new Muslim power in the MENA with Iran out of the map

Yea could be but its mad why he risked when Gulf was doing good, Irans active threat was finished back in June. So you mean Trump lied when he said he bombed their N sites . Iran was always paper tiger with no strong aerial and naval force.

 

[Roo]

Yea could be but its mad why he risked when Gulf was doing good, Irans active threat was finished back in June. So you mean Trump lied when he said he bombed their N sites . Iran was always paper tiger with no strong aerial and naval force.

I think Bibi convinced Trump that Iran was at it's weakest state, and if he toppled them he'd be a legend amongst presidents

Trump is driven by ego and narcissism. Easiest way to win him over is to appeal to that

 

[Reborn]

The Saudis wanted this too, let's not act like they don't come out of it as the new Muslim power in the MENA with Iran out of the map

Yea could be but its mad why he risked when Gulf was doing good, Irans active threat was finished back in June. So you mean Trump lied when he said he bombed their N sites . Iran was always paper tiger with no strong aerial and naval force.

Tbh, I don't think Gulf countries were into it.

Militarily - they did allow US to use bases but I don't think they were active participants in the decision making. Perhaps pressured...


Saudi Arabia and Iran restored their diplomatic relations few years ago and both were looking forward towards stability in the region.

Only reason I could think of is Iran Proxy war - Hezbollah and Houthis

 

[Roo]

Tbh, I don't think Gulf countries were into it.

There's been several reports, both before and after the bombing of the Saudis pushing for the toppling of the regime.

ofc they won't say it out loud, but if you look at the incentives Saudi Arabia gets with Iran out of the way it's easy to see.

 

[Reborn]

There's been several reports, both before and after the bombing of the Saudis pushing for the toppling of the regime.

ofc they won't say it out loud, but if you look at the incentives Saudi Arabia gets with Iran out of the way it's easy to see.

If toppling of the regime was their goal then they woudn't have send just few vessels in the region.

Based on how this war started, everything points towards few days of quick fire which didn't work out.

And, Trump publicly said - Killing Khamenei wasn't their goal

 

[Roo]

If toppling of the regime was their goal then they woudn't have send just few vessels in the region.

Based on how this war started, everything points towards few days of quick fire which didn't work out.

And, Trump publicly said - Killing Khamenei wasn't their goal

It was their goal lmao, Trump says whatever. I don't follow what they say only their actions and incentives

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2026/02/28/trump-iran-decision-saudi-arabia-israel/

And there were reports during the deals of not letting Iran walk away unscathed.

MBS is probably the kingpin of the MENA region. Dude moves with Israel like influence and never has an ounce of scrutiny on him.

 

[Reborn]

It was their goal lmao, Trump says whatever. I don't follow what they say only their actions and incentives

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2026/02/28/trump-iran-decision-saudi-arabia-israel/

And there were reports during the deals of not letting Iran walk away unscathed.

MBS is probably the kingpin of the MENA region. Dude moves with Israel like influence and never has an ounce of scrutiny on him.

If it was their goal then don't you think everyone of them plan horribly? I mean who in right mind would send few vessels if they intend to overthrow a country which is quite military equipped as well?

 

[Roo]

If it was their goal then don't you think everyone of them plan horribly? I mean who in right mind would send few vessels if they intend to overthrow a country which is quite military equipped as well?

There's been reports of Trump withholding info about this operation to several allies so yeah, I think it was horribly planned lmao

from what I gather it came from opportunity, Israel had intel that all the top officers were going to meet under one roof and urged Trump to act on it. But the attacks were going to happen regardless

 

[Reborn]

There's been reports of Trump withholding info about this operation to several allies so yeah, I think it was horribly planned lmao

from what I gather it came from opportunity, Israel had intel that all the top officers were going to meet under one roof and urged Trump to act on it. But the attacks were going to happen regardless

I haven't read such reports so I will take your words on it.

 

[NAMELESS]

debates can be done normally

In this thread? never lol

 

[NAMELESS]

Yet you claim Trump is a centrist for tolerating LGBTQ existence.

Daily reminder: being homosexual is no sin, but fornication( sex outside marriage) is. Marriage can only happen between male and female. Homosexuals are to live in chastity just like non-married heterosexuals.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Homosexuals are to live in chastity just like non-married heterosexuals.

Why?