Controversial General Political Discussion

[NAMELESS]

In an extreme capitalist society corporations wouldn't be able to have monopolies as they need "pull the ladder up" regulations to be a monopoly

It depends on what kind of corporation we are talking about, really. Google is technically a monopoly, despite legislation against it. I agree that overall things would be fairer and more competitive. Don't take that post too seriously. It was meant to troll the users I quoted. Too bad only one took a bite.

 

[Okamakama]

Just don't give citizenship to everyone that works in your lands.

Only give citizenship to those who are fluent in the language to a near-native level, have culturally integrated (especially if it's via marriage with a citizen), are economically active and a net-positive (benefits/subsidies are lower than the taxation they provide), and are willing to revoke their past citizenship. Dual-citizenship should not be allowed. It actually incentivises people to not see their new home as home, as they can up and leave at any time.

Commit or you don't get citizenship.

I do believe in citizenship for all people who are ethnically from the nation as well (up to a certain generation ago). This applies for all countries. I know Korea does something like this, and I approve. This includes people of half-descent by the way.

Natural monopolies don't count

But most modern monopolies got big because of their influence on the government

I actually agree. I was taking the piss.

 

[Midnight Delight]

It depends on what kind of corporation we are talking about, really. Google is technically a monopoly, despite legislation against it. I agree that overall things would be fairer and more competitive. Don't take that post too seriously. It was meant to troll the users I quoted. Too bad only one took a bite.

Google is a natural monopoly and even then Google's competitors are still making more money than most people can dream of

 

[NAMELESS]

Dual-citizenship should not be allowed. It actually incentivises people to not see their new home as home, as they can up and leave at any time.

Commit or you don't get citizenship.

I do believe in citizenship for all people who are ethnically from the nation as well (up to a certain generation ago). This applies for all countries. I know Korea does something like this, and I approve. This includes people of half-descent by the way.



I actually agree. I was taking the piss.

Nah, dual citizenship exists because of geopolitical reasons. It won't go anywhere due to globalization.

 

[Okamakama]

Nah, dual citizenship exists because of geopolitical reasons. It won't go anywhere due to globalization.

I am sharing my beliefs. I know people will never implement it. It does exist in Korea though. Good for them.

 

[NAMELESS]

Google is a natural monopoly and even then Google's competitors are still making more money than most people can dream of

Yes, still a monopoly recognized by multiple judges.

 

[Midnight Delight]

Let's settle for his Spirit, shall we?

The Shekinah?

 

[NAMELESS]

What age are people supposed to start working ?

As soon as they can stand.

 

[Okamakama]

As soon as they can stand.

This is ableist.

 

[NAMELESS]

The Shekinah?

The Holy Spirit.

 

[Mathias]

As soon as they can stand.

And I'd recommend owning their own company when they can speak

 

[NAMELESS]

And I'd recommend owning their own company when they can speak

 

[Okamakama]

And I'd recommend owning their own company when they can speak

That's just good business acumen. Most entrepreneurs fail first time around. Mess up at age 1 when you're nice a young just in time to succeed by ages 3 to 5. Simple math when you think about it.

 

[Roo]

I have yet to hear one definition of Neo Colonialism that isn't mostly done by Bigger Third World countries to smaller ones @Roo

The problem with modern leftism is that repression is allowed as long as it’s not from the west

 

[Okamakama]

The problem with modern leftism is that repression is allowed as long as it’s not from the west

Have you not heard? Only white people can be racist? Come on bro, get with the times.

 

[Blax Blah]

I am sharing my beliefs. I know people will never implement it. It does exist in Korea though. Good for them.

Korea the one that's going extinct from overwork?

 

[Okamakama]

Korea the one that's going extinct from overwork?

Your point? It has nothing to do with citizenship.

 

[Zenos7]

They are trying to use us as an economic zone. They are not fleeing war. They all pass through France. Why don't they stay? It's because they know they'll get so much more from us, the naive, sympathetic Brits. If you want to call that tourism, then so be it. Doesn't change my objection.

Pretty much the same with germany

 

[Zenos7]

willing to revoke their past citizenship. Dual-citizenship should not be allowed.

If only revoking the past citizenship would be free

 

[Logiko]

@Blax Blah @Logiko @Uncle Van What do you think? I think this works as a summary.

The Manifesto

Governments are inefficient and tend to violate individual rights and freedoms.
The state's responsibilities are protecting individuals from aggression, theft, breach of contract, and fraud.
Military, police, and courts are all services the State shall provide.

Democracy inevitably degenerates into demagogy.
Leaders should be chosen based on expertise, knowledge, and merit.

Imposing mandatory education for children violates parental agency.
Parents should be the ones deciding if their kids will wield a pen or a pickaxe.
Kids are legally allowed to work in professions that suit their skills and maturity.

God said, "By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground."
Retirement is a socialist perversion. Retirement and retirement funds are no more.

Financial markets dictate the economy.
Multinational corporations should run the economy due to their superior technical expertise and administrative skills.

The free flow of capital, goods, and labor across borders needs to be absolute.
Government constraints, labor unions, and environmental protections need to be abolished.

Military conquest is a legitimate means to protect and expand a state's interests.

The people have the right to bear any kind of arms known to man or organize themselves into armed groups; this includes the right to own weapons of mass destruction or own private armies.

Violation of the above rights by any state agent legitimizes civil war.

In war, there are only two rules: win, and there are no rules.

Citizenship can only be acquired by right of blood (Jus Sanguinis).

"Sticks and stones may break my bones. But words will never hurt me." Free speech is absolute. Say whatever the fuck you want, motherfuckers.

As we say in french : "Y'a rien qui va"

I have yet to hear one definition of Neo Colonialism that isn't mostly done by Bigger Third World countries to smaller ones @Roo

Can you be more specific?

Patently false. Many 'migrants' utilise the asylum seeker process to prevent deportation. If you are going to advocate for a group, at least understand them. I will not discuss this point again.

I'm simply looking at what researchers and people on the field are saying...

It's not right that some people must work to live and have all that work subsidise those who do not share their cultural or historical background.

You are talking about migrants or about the bourgoisie here?

Because I feel a lot more closer to a migrant than a bourgeois lol

There are systems like this.

A system where migrants are completely accepted?

No. It doesn't exist on this planet. Not yet at least.

There are literal tikotoks of migrants flaunting cash they got from our government to the camera whilst laughing at how stupid we are.

I think this is a legitimate redistribution. They are taking back what our societies owe them. And if it can feed their family, I'm all for it.

I do not wish to live in a humiliation ritual, thank you very much.

I do not feel humiliated mate. Perhaps you do, but I have a bigger mindset than my country or nationality. I believe in ethics and in the fight for anticapitalism and antiimperialism. This means finding ways to get all the populations on the planet to equity.

but they (migrants) are disproportionately male

Which is logical, patriarchy is still present all over the world and women risk more abuses, rapes, extortions and violences than men just like in any society so they are being protected for the most part.

They are trying to use us as an economic zone.

I think they are trying to survive and allow their loved ones to survive too...

They are not fleeing war.

Some of them do. But most are fleeing the consequences of imperialism at home. Just like south americans are fleeing the consequences of US's imperialism on their continent.

I feel like you are not considering the fact that they are actively risking their lives to come. People don't do that for funsy and they won't stop at a border.

Why don't they stay?

Because France violent them, lock them up in concentration camps and do not accept them? So they are trying another place.

I'll would do the same if I had their hope and strenght.

I feel they are trying to effectively steal from another land by forcing their way into a country where they do not belong, which I consider unethical.

What made you feel that way?

You are not entitled to the UK's resources just because you're a human

Humans are not entitled to more ressources than others. They are entitled to live a happy life and I consider such as many population have consider it before, that we are all sharing the same planet.

You, me, the cat in the streets etc.

Therefore, I consider any type of rethoric that search to divide these ressources and prevent some from accessing others through the notions like frontieres or nations.... to be a rethoric of an age of darkness, greed and individuality.

I think we are better than that.

When the nation in question has a historical precedence of committing terror attacks, the sympathy I hold for them lessens

Are you talkng about the age of slavery that who inflicted to these people and that still has some impacts today through the way we supports genociders, dictators and oppressors there?

It's why I am more supportive of Ukraine. And no, don't you dare say it's because they're white. You have no idea how many people consider the slavs a 'different kind of white'.

I won't say it then

As corrosive as the leftists, perhaps moreso. They're the ones in actual power, they're the ones I'm pointing at, yes.

Indeed, liberals (leftist and rightists) are one of the biggest problems in politics today. Not as much as reactionnaries of course, but up there.

Then leave Europe. Go to the middle-east and find how welcoming they'll be to you with your myriad problems. Then educate us on empathy afterwards.

Even if I could, leaving is not a descision you can just make because you don't like your country. And as you explained, there are no reason to quit, since I want to fight capitalism and imperialism here.

Complete idiocy. I will not debate this any further. I understand why you want immigration however. In your mind it will end capitalism. Heck, maybe it will. You wish to flood the west with people not loyal to it, destabilising it's ability to defend itself. The fall of Rome, if you were. Never mind.

Yup, this is one of the reasons we are pro-immigration. Immigration brings anti-imperialists and anti-capitalists to us. We consider that all the working class should be united. Not by countries or nationalities - which would be counter revolutionnary - but internationally.

We are not free until everyone is free.

If we go the way you don't want it to, I'll probably be happier in this country.

I hope you will.

I don't want to see my nation become a land of strangers loyal only to coin, sharing no collective values

Anticapitalism is calling for you then.

Everything else will bring society toward more capitalism and more individualism.

You're not an idiot. It's a metaphor.

I knew it ! I'm so smart.

Well, you are wrong

Science and scholar disagree sadly

Bro also thinks white people invented oppression

What made you think that?

Have you not heard? Only white people can be racist?

Actually let me correct that, (I said true), but I didn't read your message well. It's actually not true.

People of colour can be racist, they simply can't be racist against white.