Character Discussion Gorosei being Monsters would be a disastrous final blow to Yonkobros.

[nik87]

Gorosei are top tiers but its far easier said than done - squashing them with half the troops. It is a price WG isnt willing to pay.
Old dudes are unlikely stronger than Yonkos and Admirals. At best comparable to Admirals, considering they are old.

 

[MarineHQ]

Saturn is probably there to Override Vegapunks authority via Seraphim chip

I highly doubt he's here for physical combat

and if that is the case, Luffy takes Saturn and Zoro takes Kizaru right here and now

Well he's the leader of the highest form of scum known in the OP world. Dunno if Luffy would miss the chance to slap him to the face.

 

[Toryu]

Being honest gorosei being top tiers do break the power system of OP. It also makes WG way more incompetent though. Also admirals will be less relevant

Wouldn't the Marines had already rebelled if the Gorosei aren't fighters?

Otherwise, it implies that IMU can solo the Marines if the gorosei are fodder

 

[Fujishiro]

Ive been thinking Oda would uphold the power ceiling in Yonko/Admirals since he didnt break it yet ( Even Roger was relative to them and surpassing Roger meant beating them all) but I gotta say Im a bit wary now that maybe the Elder Stars are indeed atleast top tiers if not God tiers and we get another Madara then Kaguya(Im) situation.

This would honestly suck and its what made Shippuden so bad to me, the subsequent top tiers of the time and most characters rendered obsolete and it becoming the Sasuke and Naruto show.

I am still hoping Oda doesnt go this route but if he does, then I guess I valued One Piece to be more than what it really was.

@MarineHQ

Post automatically merged: Jan 30, 2023

Well he's the leader of the highest form of scum known in the OP world. Dunno if Luffy would miss the chance to slap him to the face.

Luffy doesnt attack people for no reason, I mean he didnt attack Vegapunk and he knows he was working for the WG and helped them oppress the world with his inventions.

Luffy wont straight up attack Saturn unless Saturn gives him a reason to, he's not that type of guy.

 

[Blother Fertitta]

Well he's the leader of the highest form of scum known in the OP world. Dunno if Luffy would miss the chance to slap him to the face.

Well I personally think Kizaru is here for a vs Luffy

This interaction might play out basically as this again:

With the Gorosei there to turn the Seraphim and bring them back
And Luffy won't make it to Saturn without getting past Kizaru

 

[MarineHQ]

Gorosei are top tiers but its far easier said than done - squashing them with half the troops. It is a price WG isnt willing to pay.
Old dudes are unlikely stronger than Yonkos and Admirals. At best comparable to Admirals, considering they are old.

Let's say Gorosei are Top Tiers and IM is God level, this would roughly make the Navy+Shichibukai half their forces (a little more probably).

They let the Navy duke it out with the Yonkou and whatever is left will be easily dispatched off by the WG.

Wouldn't the Marines had already rebelled if the Gorosei aren't fighters?

Otherwise, it implies that IMU can solo the Marines if the gorosei are fodder

The Navy is satisfied with how the system works, most anyways.

Ive been thinking Oda would uphold the power ceiling in Yonko/Admirals since he didnt break it yet ( Even Roger was relative to them and surpassing Roger meant beating them all) but I gotta say Im a bit wary now that maybe the Elder Stars are indeed atleast top tiers if not God tiers and we get another Madara then Kaguya(Im) situation.

This would honestly suck and its what made Shippuden so bad to me, the subsequent top tiers of the time and most characters rendered obsolete and it becoming the Sasuke and Naruto show.

I am still hoping Oda doesnt go this route but if he does, then I guess I valued One Piece to be more than what it really was.

@MarineHQ

For me it's inevitable since a Shounen kind off has to go that route. It's a basic formula at this point.

 

[Apollo]

Ive been thinking Oda would uphold the power ceiling in Yonko/Admirals since he didnt break it yet ( Even Roger was relative to them and surpassing Roger meant beating them all) but I gotta say Im a bit wary now that maybe the Elder Stars are indeed atleast top tiers if not God tiers and we get another Madara then Kaguya(Im) situation.

This would honestly suck and its what made Shippuden so bad to me, the subsequent top tiers of the time and most characters rendered obsolete and it becoming the Sasuke and Naruto show.

I am still hoping Oda doesnt go this route but if he does, then I guess I valued One Piece to be more than what it really was.

@MarineHQ

Best thing I think is to put the Gorosei in the mid-top tier position, around admirals and yonko. With Imu being a tier above Roger/Primebeard/Prime Garp. This way the powerscaling isn't too broken.

 

[Fujishiro]

Best thing I think is to put the Gorosei in the mid-top tier position, around admirals and yonko. With Imu being a tier above Roger/Primebeard/Prime Garp. This way the powerscaling isn't too broken.

Imu can be a bit stronger than Roger and not need to be another tier above to still be a huge threat and demonstrate that Luffy did indeed surpass Roger by beating him. Something Roger never wouldve been able to.

Agree with the rest, If the Elders are mid top tiers then thats fine and would be a nice twist I guess.

 

[MarineHQ]

@Apollo @Fujishiro
For some reason i feel like the conventional ways we're used to scale won't apply to the Gorosei. I feel like they'll be a "different" kind of strong.

I always expected some kind reality warping God powers. There are 4 devil fruit classes right?
Maybe each Gorosei is the father of their own class.

- Zoan (not sure if ancient counts)
- Mythical Zoan
- Paramecia
- Logia

Ancient could count or there is another class of fruit powers, who knows.

 

[Blother Fertitta]

Ftr I dont think some 'weak' guys could be this disrespectful to fucking Akainu and get away with it

Also if we're considering Pacing of the story, we are moving into a new tier of strength.

With the introduction of Sun God, Earth God, Rain God, Forest God shit, it might be Gorosei vs these folks

(Luffy, Dragon?, Im?, X?)

And Admirals retain their standing on equivalence to the Yonkos

 

[Fujishiro]

For me it's inevitable since a Shounen kind off has to go that route. It's a basic formula at this point.

Didnt go that route with Hunter x Hunter, which is why I liked it above most Shounen. Everyone still has some kind of relevancy in it.

 

[Apollo]

@Apollo @Fujishiro
For some reason i feel like the conventional ways we're used to scale won't apply to the Gorosei. I feel like they'll be a "different" kind of strong.

I always expected some kind reality warping God powers. There are 4 devil fruit classes right?
Maybe each Gorosei is the father of their own class.

- Zoan (not sure if ancient counts)
- Mythical Zoan
- Paramecia
- Logia

Ancient could count or there is another class of fruit powers, who knows.

Well some other form of power exists, for example Poseidon is an innate ability of Shirahoshi. Its not a DF but her bloodline.

This could be the power of the Gorosei, their bloodline.

 

[nik87]

Let's say Gorosei are Top Tiers and IM is God level, this would roughly make the Navy+Shichibukai half their forces (a little more probably).

They let the Navy duke it out with the Yonkou and whatever is left will be easily dispatched off by the WG

Forget all Yonko, they never chose to crush a single Yonko which they could have done.
Also, if they were to start targeting them, pirates might unite and then they would be facing an even bigger problem than just all Yonko.

 

[MonsterKaido]

If saturn shows time powers

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

The current Goroseis are past their prime they wont be stronger than Akainu, Shanks or dragon.

 

[Fujishiro]

@Apollo @Fujishiro
For some reason i feel like the conventional ways we're used to scale won't apply to the Gorosei. I feel like they'll be a "different" kind of strong.

I always expected some kind reality warping God powers. There are 4 devil fruit classes right?
Maybe each Gorosei is the father of their own class.

- Zoan (not sure if ancient counts)
- Mythical Zoan
- Paramecia
- Logia

Ancient could count or there is another class of fruit powers, who knows.

So Hax strong as opposed to physically overpowering? Why wouldn't haki defend against that? And it would still render 99% of the cast useless. We'll see lol, nice theory.

 

[MarineHQ]

Didnt go that route with Hunter x Hunter, which is why I liked it above most Shounen. Everyone still has some kind of relevancy in it.

Oda is the father of use and throw away. He retcons statements, power levels, feats the way it fits him at any given point.

I don't think he has any loyalty to keeping Admiral/Yonkou on top. They were always said to be Luffy's main enemies for becoming PK but we know there lies a whole story after that.

Been saying that finding Laugh tale only feels like a prologue to beating the WG which is weird.

 

[Fujishiro]

Ftr I dont think some 'weak' guys could be this disrespectful to fucking Akainu and get away with it

Also if we're considering Pacing of the story, we are moving into a new tier of strength.

With the introduction of Sun God, Earth God, Rain God, Forest God shit, it might be Gorosei vs these folks

(Luffy, Dragon?, Im?, X?)

And Admirals retain their standing on equivalence to the Yonkos

I always thought they had some kind of hax abilities to defend themselves in case of rebellion, maybe buy enough time for other marines to show up and restrain Akainu if he choose to rebel.

 

[MarineHQ]

So Hax strong as opposed to physically overpowering? Why wouldn't haki defend against that? And it would still render 99% of the cast useless. We'll see lol, nice theory.

I can't picture any of em fighting physically if I'm honest lol so hax is the way to go

 

[Fujishiro]

Oda is the father of use and throw away. He retcons statements, power levels, feats the way it fits him at any given point.

I don't think he has any loyalty to keeping Admiral/Yonkou on top. They were always said to be Luffy's main enemies for becoming PK but we know there lies a whole story after that.

Well according to Chinjao surpassing Roger means beating the Yonko/Admirals, him being PK doesnt require him to do that. So he can still beat up everyone of them and cement himself as above Roger if you get my meaning.

Been saying that finding Laugh tale only feels like a prologue to beating the WG which is weird.

That's always been the case since MF to be fair, Whitebeard's words were pretty clear. Luffy finding the One Piece is what will lead to the final war against the WG.