Questions & Mysteries Has Fujitora Already Shown Us His Conqueror’s Haki?
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This is a Yonkou fanboy type of flowchart. All of these guys have dfs that would far overshadow any haki usage in their fights. Don't let Kaidou's shitty built in offense fool you, he needed every bit of that to compensate for a lack of offense. Heck even Big Mom put her DF > advCoC and she still ended up with sorry potency.
Akainu's ability was hyped on its own as the most offensive one, and he himself told Jimbe that as a former warlord he should know the power he wielded. Superior portrayal when he fucked up the WBPs and had BPPs flee him. Garp's portrayal with Roger is enough.
Rest of the bunch more or less have the same potency/effectiveness in their fruits, with Fujitora and Sengoku arguably having the weakest fruits but they're still broken in their own way, so CoC can edge it in their favor potentially.
Sengoku already has the portrayal he needs, but Fujitora is this high simply because of his unbreakable defense. With that level of CoO and a fruit that can push back anything it's hard to imagine someone beating him. Add my personal CoC headcanon and he's a copy of Sengoku. Definitely the future FA imo.
But at the end of the day there are for sure different tiers within them, Garp & Sengoku made it past this age for a reason, even Kong mentioned how these two specifically carried the marines for all these years.
Rest of the bunch more or less have the same potency/effectiveness in their fruits, with Fujitora and Sengoku arguably having the weakest fruits but they're still broken in their own way, so CoC can edge it in their favor potentially.
Sengoku already has the portrayal he needs, but Fujitora is this high simply because of his unbreakable defense. With that level of CoO and a fruit that can push back anything it's hard to imagine someone beating him. Add my personal CoC headcanon and he's a copy of Sengoku. Definitely the future FA imo.
But at the end of the day there are for sure different tiers within them, Garp & Sengoku made it past this age for a reason, even Kong mentioned how these two specifically carried the marines for all these years.
Not really, being a CoC user is all about having the "quality of a king" or to say in other words- it's about ambition....so sure you could make a case for Akainu and Aokiji and likewise Fujitora I guess, but Kizaru?
He's a lazy ass bum with no ambition whatsoever that is just following orders and Greenbull doesn't seem to be much better.
He's a lazy ass bum with no ambition whatsoever that is just following orders and Greenbull doesn't seem to be much better.
It shouldn't play a role when comparing an elite df user with a pure hakiman, but when pairing two elite fruits then give one side the strongest form of haki it's hard to see how it's even.
Kaido and Big Mom could've been stronger but their fruits are kinda garbage against top tiers and their haki wasn't that great to edge the gap. Kaido's fruit is only impressive against high tiers.
Kaido and Big Mom could've been stronger but their fruits are kinda garbage against top tiers and their haki wasn't that great to edge the gap. Kaido's fruit is only impressive against high tiers.
Not really, being a CoC user is all about having the "quality of a king" or to say in other words- it's about ambition....so sure you could make a case for Akainu and Aokiji and likewise Fujitora I guess, but Kizaru?
He's a lazy ass bum with no ambition whatsoever that is just following orders and Greenbull doesn't seem to be much better.
He's a lazy ass bum with no ambition whatsoever that is just following orders and Greenbull doesn't seem to be much better.
Has Kizaru been shown to have the potential of a leader, let a alone a king? Because all of the characters you mentioned have.
Whitebeard could have been the Pk at any time since Roger died, Rayleigh was Roger's right hand and his ephitet is "Dark King"
Katakuri was basically taking over the role as Captain while Big Mom was running amok- also he was suggested as replacing her in case she would have died....Even Fujitora, while sharing the same rank as Kizaru, was directly opposing the view and order of Fleet Admiral Akainu and trying to change a system that could easily cause massive shifts in balance in favor of opposing factions to the Navy- such tough decision to be made is reserved for a real leader with ambition.
Like what has Kizaru shown to suggest he fits into that role?
Whitebeard could have been the Pk at any time since Roger died, Rayleigh was Roger's right hand and his ephitet is "Dark King"
Katakuri was basically taking over the role as Captain while Big Mom was running amok- also he was suggested as replacing her in case she would have died....Even Fujitora, while sharing the same rank as Kizaru, was directly opposing the view and order of Fleet Admiral Akainu and trying to change a system that could easily cause massive shifts in balance in favor of opposing factions to the Navy- such tough decision to be made is reserved for a real leader with ambition.
Like what has Kizaru shown to suggest he fits into that role?
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None of that has anything to do with ambition, which is what you're attributing CoC to. The rank Kizaru's holds within the marine organization is no less than an emperor of the sea. Lesser people were shown to have the potential of a king, so I don't see why it's an issue if Kizaru of all people possesses it. It doesn't matter whether Kizaru is a CoC user or not. The dude sits at the top of the world without even trying lmao. If that's not kingly potential, I don't know what it is.
Not really, being a CoC user is all about having the "quality of a king" or to say in other words- it's about ambition....so sure you could make a case for Akainu and Aokiji and likewise Fujitora I guess, but Kizaru?
He's a lazy ass bum with no ambition whatsoever that is just following orders and Greenbull doesn't seem to be much better.
He's a lazy ass bum with no ambition whatsoever that is just following orders and Greenbull doesn't seem to be much better.
Admirals and Emperors are the strongest of their respective group, but the prequisite for both is different.
Since there is still a Fleet Admiral who is supposed to be the leader- strength is much more of a factor for turning into an Admiral.
Fujitora despite been a outsider being turned into an Admiral proves that to be the case.
Even Rayleigh said most people who made a name for themselves are COC user
So not everyone has to be a Coc user, just because being at the top in terms of strength.
More importantly, It's about what Kizaru has shown, like give me any example implying Kizaru has the potential to be a COC user.
Sure things could change, it's just based on what info we have...
Since there is still a Fleet Admiral who is supposed to be the leader- strength is much more of a factor for turning into an Admiral.
Fujitora despite been a outsider being turned into an Admiral proves that to be the case.
Even Rayleigh said most people who made a name for themselves are COC user
So not everyone has to be a Coc user, just because being at the top in terms of strength.
More importantly, It's about what Kizaru has shown, like give me any example implying Kizaru has the potential to be a COC user.
We don't even know kizaru
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Fleet is not a position of strenght but lets be real it totaly is because the fleet is always the strongest one except maybe sengoku Garp but the only reason garp was not in discution for fleet was because he like it as a VA .
IN marine ford im not agreed that all admirals had the same portrayal .
Yes they are the 3 strongest in the navy but Akainu was clearly siting in the midle .
The second I saw their formation I knew the one in the midle was the strongest one because it is always like that .(The leader or the strongest one is in the midle)
He is also the one that moved last so even before seing him in action I knew he was going to be the strongest one .
This is what portrayal is .
For exemple law is always in the midle of his crew same with Kid same with luffy .
IN saabondy it was the only time in the whole story that luffy was not in the midle in a formation and for me this show us that Kid was the strongest of the supernova in Saabondy but if we look in wano now luffy is in the midle.
So when Aokiji and Akainu fought we all knew AKainu would win . We knew he was stronger so he was not portrayed to be as strong as Aokiji yes Aokiji put a hell of a fight but Akainu was still standing ready to give him the finishing blow it is rare that we get a clear cut winner like that.
Look at luffy vs kaido SLEEEP
Zoro vs King hello death !
Sanji vs queen SLEEP
So akainu was stronger then aokiji and by portrayal Aokij and Akainu were the 2 strongest .
Saying all admirals are as strong as each other is false .
Just like yonko's Kaido vs BM would be a hard fight but Kaido would win in the end .
For COC I also think Fujitora and Akainu are clear owner's not sure about aokiji.
IN marine ford im not agreed that all admirals had the same portrayal .
Yes they are the 3 strongest in the navy but Akainu was clearly siting in the midle .
The second I saw their formation I knew the one in the midle was the strongest one because it is always like that .(The leader or the strongest one is in the midle)
He is also the one that moved last so even before seing him in action I knew he was going to be the strongest one .
This is what portrayal is .
For exemple law is always in the midle of his crew same with Kid same with luffy .
IN saabondy it was the only time in the whole story that luffy was not in the midle in a formation and for me this show us that Kid was the strongest of the supernova in Saabondy but if we look in wano now luffy is in the midle.
So when Aokiji and Akainu fought we all knew AKainu would win . We knew he was stronger so he was not portrayed to be as strong as Aokiji yes Aokiji put a hell of a fight but Akainu was still standing ready to give him the finishing blow it is rare that we get a clear cut winner like that.
Look at luffy vs kaido SLEEEP
Zoro vs King hello death !
Sanji vs queen SLEEP
So akainu was stronger then aokiji and by portrayal Aokij and Akainu were the 2 strongest .
Saying all admirals are as strong as each other is false .
Just like yonko's Kaido vs BM would be a hard fight but Kaido would win in the end .
For COC I also think Fujitora and Akainu are clear owner's not sure about aokiji.
Calm down, Issho San. We are still pretending Admirals don’t have Conqueror’s Haki, there is no need to get this worked up yet.
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