Break Week Has Oda treated WSS legit?

[Formerly Seth]

I meant was it that he defeated the previous WSS or was he so triumphant that the title was made and recognized by the world to him.

Oh this is actually a big mystery.

I see a few possibilities but the most let's say "close to the truth" ones are:

Mihawk was constantly beating world-renowned swordsmen until the World decided to call him WSS.

He beat previous WSS/He retired and Mihawk was prominent with his name popping out everywhere you could find a strong swordsman engaging in a fight with the other one so people automatically jumped from fanboying previous WSS to Mihawk.

Mihawk and Shanks duels. This is the case I don't want the most because of one thing. If that's the case then it would mean that the winner of their duel was meant to become WSS yet Shanks lost his arm so people bestowed the title to Mihawk. I really really hope this one is not possible at even 1%.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Oh this is actually a big mystery.

I see a few possibilities but the most let's say "close to the truth" ones are:

Mihawk was constantly beating world-renowned swordsmen until the World decided to call him WSS.

He beat previous WSS/He retired and Mihawk was prominent with his name popping out everywhere you could find a strong swordsman engaging in a fight with the other one so people automatically jumped from fanboying previous WSS to Mihawk.

Mihawk and Shanks duels. This is the case I don't want the most because of one thing. If that's the case then it would mean the winner of their duel was meant to become WSS yet Shanks lost his arm so people bestowed the title to Mihawk. I really really hope this one is not possible in even 1%.

Yes my thoughts were there were no WSS title and Mihawk and Shanks were dueling but then Luffy happened and Mihawk crowned WSS, Zoro would have to count his blessings that its Mihawk and Not Shanks lol

 

[LolonoisZolo]

Zoro was well known before Luffy even left his village.
Everyone and their grand mothers knew the ''pirate hunter'' in EB.
A lot knew about him in ''paradise'' as Well.
Luffy has nothing to do with Zoro's notoriety...

 

[HA001]

Zoro was well known before Luffy even left his village.
Everyone and their grand mothers knew the ''pirate hunter'' in EB.
A lot knew about him in ''paradise'' as Well.
Luffy has nothing to do with Zoro's notoriety...

Yup he already had a bounty.

 

[SinOfGreed]

Zoro was well known before Luffy even left his village.
Everyone and their grand mothers knew the ''pirate hunter'' in EB.
A lot knew about him in ''paradise'' as Well.
Luffy has nothing to do with Zoro's notoriety...

Exactly. Zoro was well known and people were already wary of his strength/reputation.

Luffy was a newbie and was always catching people off guard by how insanely strong he was for East Blue standards

 

[Marimo_420]

Naginata is considered a sword in Japan

https://dic.pixiv.net/a/薙刀

Things like these are considered swords

Swords used by the 7 swordsmen of the mist

Zoro also called Kamazou's scythe ''sword'' when he used the santoryu

The Whitebeard's sword was called ''cloud cutter'', it is different from spears that are piercing weapons

You're using another series to try and change the definition of swords in the op world - Congrats.

Same people who use mental gymnastics to say that either Shanks or Oden isn't a swordsman tho.

Ngl you guys crack me up 👏 👏 👏

 

[LolonoisZolo]

Exactly. Zoro was well known and people were already wary of his strength/reputation.

Luffy was a newbie and was always catching people off guard by how insanely strong he was for East Blue standards

Exactly my point, Luffy always goes in a fight as the 'challenger' even against clearly weaker opponents.
Zoro on the other hand goes in with confidence and his opponents rarely underestimate him...

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Exactly my point, Luffy always goes in a fight as the 'challenger' even against clearly weaker opponents.
Zoro on the other hand goes in with confidence and his opponents rarely underestimate him...

Mr. 1, Ohm, Kaku, and Pica all underestimated Zoro, and that is why they lost. (Minus Pica, as he couldn't have avoided Zoro's attack, even if he wanted to) With Luffy on the other hand, his opponents start underestimating him, but end up taking him serious towards the end, and they still end up losing.

 

[LolonoisZolo]

Mr. 1, Ohm, Kaku, and Pica all underestimated Zoro.

Notice the term ''rarely''

Mr1 did for good reason though . Zoro was clearly better than him technically and landed multiple hits but still did 0 damage. What's not to underestimate.

I give you Ohm.

Kaku didn't and was fighting him 2v1 with a handicap xD

Pica was hiding for the whole fight, how is it underestimating?

Not to confuse ''self confidence'' with ''underestimation''.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Notice the term ''rarely''

Mr1 did for good reason though . Zoro was clearly better than him technically and landed multiple hits but still did 0 damage. What's not to underestimate.

I give you Ohm.

Kaku didn't and was fighting him 2v1 with a handicap xD

Pica was hiding for the whole fight, how is it underestimating?

Not to confuse ''self confidence'' with ''underestimation''.

Kaku was winning that fight, while learning how to use his devil fruit and coming up with new modes and attacks on the fly. He made the grave error at the end to try and meet Ashura head on, and that's how he ended up losing.

 

[LolonoisZolo]

Kaku was winning that fight, while learning how to use his devil fruit and coming up with new modes and attacks on the fly. He made the grave error at the end to try and meet Ashura head on, and that's how he ended up losing.

Errrrr this is wrong but it is another subject
I don't understand the point; where are you going with this ?

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Errrrr this is wrong but it is another subject
I don't understand the point; where are you going with this ?

Cause you said Zoro's opponents take him serious, but that's not 100 percent accurate. In his four biggest fights in the series, he was underestimated by them in some capacity.

 

[Marimo_420]

Kaku was winning that fight, while learning how to use his devil fruit and coming up with new modes and attacks on the fly. He made the grave error at the end to try and meet Ashura head on, and that's how he ended up losing.

Like he said that's 'self confidence'.

His tower slicing rankyaku as a fully charged version is Kaku's strogest move in his arsenal. He didn't try to meet Zoro's attack head on. He tried to instead bisect him from a distance. Thats not underestimating your oppenent. That's called respect.

In the middle of Kaku charging attack, Zoro used Asura and destroyed him. That's not on Kaku, that's on Zoro.

 

[LolonoisZolo]

Cause you said Zoro's opponents take him serious, but that's not 100 percent accurate. In his four biggest fights in the series, he was underestimated by them in some capacity.

I said ''rarely'' underestimated.
I also answered you about that.
2 of the four didn't
1 saw that he had ''nothing'' to fear
1 did.

As for the Kaku thing; base Kaku clashed with Zoro and didn't show any form of underestimation.
Then his DF gave him a huge durability boost and even then still tried to not take any hit; this is not underestimation.
In the end he was rattled and clearly shook by Zoro's demonic aura and to prove himself tried to flex with his tower cutting Tech.
The rest is badassery :D

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Like he said that's 'self confidence'.

His tower slicing rankyaku as a fully charged version is Kaku's strogest move in his arsenal. He didn't try to meet Zoro's attack head on. He tried to instead bisect him from a distance. Thats not underestimating your oppenent. That's called respect.

In the middle of Kaku charging attack, Zoro used Asura and destroyed him. That's not on Kaku, that's on Zoro.

I said ''rarely'' underestimated.
I also answered you about that.
2 of the four didn't
1 saw that he had ''nothing'' to fear
1 did.

As for the Kaku thing; base Kaku clashed with Zoro and didn't show any form of underestimation.
Then his DF gave him a huge durability boost and even then still tried to not take any hit; this is not underestimation.
In the end he was rattled and clearly shook by Zoro's demonic aura and to prove himself tried to flex with his tower cutting Tech.
The rest is badassery :D

Don't really want to derail the thread anymore, so we'll just leave it at here for now.

 

[Chaves]

You're using another series to try and change the definition of swords in the op world - Congrats.

Same people who use mental gymnastics to say that either Shanks or Oden isn't a swordsman tho.

Ngl you guys crack me up 👏 👏 👏

You are so layman that you don't even understand that I'm talking about Japanese customs and what they interpret as a sword

WB used a sword.

 

[Cyrus the Cactus]

Naginata is considered a sword in Japan

https://dic.pixiv.net/a/薙刀

Things like these are considered swords

Swords used by the 7 swordsmen of the mist

Zoro also called Kamazou's scythe ''sword'' when he used the santoryu

The Whitebeard's sword was called ''cloud cutter'', it is different from spears that are piercing weapons

So the thing circled multiple times is a sword?

 

[Chaves]

So the thing circled multiple times is a sword?

No

Bisento/naginata is not a spear

 

[Uncle Van]

No

Bisento/naginata is not a spear

That's right. A bisento and naginata are polearms, described as a double edge blade on a pole or as a spear-like weapon with a scimitar at the end OR as a glaive with a curved sword edge.

They are classified as pole arms, not swords. What you're talking about are their descriptions.

 

[Cyrus the Cactus]

No

Bisento/naginata is not a spear

But based on that panel, there’s at least 1 meito that’s a spear. Bisento and meito both have the “blade” character at the end. That’s why people who intend to downplay Mihawk use it. Because “to” can mean both blade and sword.

So if a bisento is a sword, so are spears.


(Hint - the “to” should be treated as “blade” in this case)